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Why no Istanbul thread?

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  • #32
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,099 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Islamic State have murdered 9 German citizens in Istanbul this afternoon. So not only do Germans risk getting raped and killed in their home country it now seems they are targets overseas also. No points for guessing the religion or Nationality of those responsible.


  • #33
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    biko wrote: »
    You know you could just have started one without the guilt-tripping.

    Guilt tripping is not the intention but more to ask why it is not being discussed.

    People say I care because I have been there but there have been plenty of attacks in the past that have resonated with me.

    For example, the shopping centre in Kenya, also struck a chord , have never been there but have been in shopping centres of course, and it made me realise that everywhere is a target nowadays.


  • #34
    Azalea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Azalea


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Bit of a difference between a murder and an international terrorist incident.



    I'm not taking any high ground just surprised at the lack of discussion here about it.
    Also, even if I went away the thread would still be here.



    I was just wondering why non one seems to care about this incident. Istanbul is a major international city not a backwater somewhere.
    I don't think nobody cares - I genuinely didn't know about it. There is likely another terrorist attack going on elsewhere now, or a short while ago, or shortly. To be truly consistent, all of them would have to be covered.

    I wouldn't blame people in the East for focusing more on atrocities in the East and not covering those in the west so much. It's just one of our flaws as humans.


  • #35
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Azalea wrote: »
    I don't think nobody cares - I genuinely didn't know about it. There is likely another terrorist attack going on elsewhere now, or a short while ago, or shortly. To be truly consistent, all of them would have to be covered.

    I wouldn't blame people in the East for focusing more on atrocities in the East and not covering those in the west so much. It's just one of our flaws as humans.

    It's all over the news today, everywhere, and Istanbul is in Europe.


  • #36
    Figbiscuithead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 307 ✭✭Figbiscuithead


    murpho999 wrote: »
    I was just wondering why non one seems to care about this incident. Istanbul is a major international city not a backwater somewhere.

    No one but you, of course. How can you say that for sure? I don't want to be snidey but I don't start threads on everything I care about. I can personally relate more to the French situation because I've been there 4-5 times and lived there for a Summer washing pots when I was 21. I've French friends, France is only across the border from where I live and is a stone's throw from Ireland. It's logical that we'd care more about those who are "closer" to us - it's a perfectly human response. You yourself can relate to Turkey because you've been there. I'd be upset if people from Buenos Aires, 1000s of kms from here, were shot down because I spent 5 months there and again have a couple of Argentinian friends. People in Ireland are closer in every sense to the French than the Turkish so are more empathetic to their plight. A lack of thread on Boards doesn't mean no one cares BTW.

    Edit: first I heard of this news was on this thread BTW. I'm just out of work.


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  • #37
    ronan45
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ronan45


    Turkey: 'IS suicide bomber' kills 10 in Istanbul Sultanahmet district - BBC News

    Hang on..

    Last i checked... Turkey were supporting ISIS covertly.... so why is ISIS bombing Turkey:confused:


  • #38
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Figbiscuithead wrote: »
    No one but you, of course. How can you say that for sure? I don't want to be snidey but I don't start threads on everything I care about. I can personally relate more to the French situation because I've been there 4-5 times and lived there for a Summer washing pots when I was 21. I've French friends, France is only across the border from where I live and is a stone's throw from Ireland. It's logical that we'd care more about those who are "closer" to us - it's a perfectly human response. You yourself can relate to Turkey because you've been there. I'd be upset if people from Buenos Aires, 1000s of kms from here, were shot down because I spent 5 months there and again have a couple of Argentinian friends. People in Ireland are closer in every sense to the French than the Turkish so are more empathetic to their plight. A lack of thread on Boards doesn't mean no one cares BTW.

    Edit: first I heard of this news was on this thread BTW. I'm just out of work.


    There's no need to attack me with comments like 'No one but you'.

    I didn't only start the thread because I have been to Istanbul but people are jumping on that.
    Has no body else here ever been there?

    Either way, I don't get this connection thing at all.

    I have no connection with Paris, but was shocked by the attacks as I was with 911 New York, London , Madrid, Mumbai, Nairobi, etc. Long list.

    However, people here have clearly stated that they don't give a sh1t because it's in Turkey, as if it's on another planet and then have a pop at me for appearing superior.
    Also, ignore the fact that 9 German tourists were killed so it's as much an attack on the west as it is on Turkey.


  • #39
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Bloody tragedy alright. Looks like a suicide bomber on early reports. I wish there was a hell, so such people could burn in it.
    jimgoose wrote: »
    It's Istanbul. And not Constantinople.
    It's still Byzantium as far as I'm concerned dammit.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #40
    Elemonator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭Elemonator


    Oh there was no thread?
    I'll ensure the next time I see a bomb detonation news bulletin, the first thing that will happen is......... I will rush to my computer and make a thread on boards.ie


  • #41
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    ronan45 wrote: »
    Turkey: 'IS suicide bomber' kills 10 in Istanbul Sultanahmet district - BBC News

    Hang on..

    Last i checked... Turkey were supporting ISIS covertly.... so why is ISIS bombing Turkey:confused:


    And he was Syrian.


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  • #42
    Figbiscuithead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 307 ✭✭Figbiscuithead


    There's no need to attack me with comments like 'No one but you'.

    That's exactly how your posts came across though. It wasn't meant as an attack.

    Either way, I don't get this connection thing at all.

    There's mountains upon mountains of research to support the idea that humans "care" more about those they relate to and have a connection to. You can google it and read up on it and perhaps then you might "get" it.
    I have no connection with Paris, but was shocked by the attacks as I was with 911 New York, London , Madrid, Mumbai, Nairobi, etc. Long list.

    As was I. I didn't start a thread on Boards about any of them. I express my caring in other ways.
    However, people here have clearly stated that they don't give a sh1t because it's in Turkey, as if it's on another planet and then have a pop at me for appearing superior.

    Who said they didn't give a ****? Clearly stated? Ah come now.


  • #43
    mrsdewinter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    Istanbul is an amazing city - it's appalling to hear that a suicide bomber has struck at the heart of the tourist district.


  • #44
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    I have to say Istanbul is probably my favourite city in the world, and I have travelled a lot.

    I stayed just a few metres from the blast site recently and I am still in contact with the hotel owner where we stayed. Suffice to say he's devastated by what happened.

    Initially I assumed this was a false flag by Erdogan to justify his crack down on the Kurds but it's already been confirmed as ISIS.

    Which begs the question, has the Erdogan family supported a monster that it can no longer control? Turkey probably saw two massive benefits in ISIS, cheap smuggled oil and the degrading of Kurdish militias


  • #45
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Figbiscuithead wrote: »
    That's exactly how your posts came across though. It wasn't meant as an attack.




    There's mountains upon mountains of research to support the idea that humans "care" more about those they relate to and have a connection to. You can google it and read up on it and perhaps then you might "get" it.



    As was I. I didn't start a thread on Boards about any of them. I express my caring in other ways.



    Who said they didn't give a ****? Clearly stated? Ah come now.

    There was no need for me to start a thread about Paris as the event got practical live coverage on this forum.

    As for people saying they don't care, see post no 9 quoted below.
    jimgoose wrote: »
    Because no-one gives a shit. Turkey is only in the EU to take this kind of crap before it gets as far as civilised people. They're falling down on the job, at that.


  • #46
    irishgrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Islamic State have murdered 9 German citizens in Istanbul this afternoon. So not only do Germans risk getting raped and killed in their home country it now seems they are targets overseas also. No points for guessing the religion or Nationality of those responsible.

    well thank god all brits didn't think like you in the 70's and 80's when a very small minority of catholic irish people supported something similar....


  • #47
    mynameis905
    Closed Accounts Posts: 754 ✭✭✭mynameis905


    Knasher wrote: »
    Turkey shares a land border with Syria and Iraq.

    Jesus really? I'd never have guessed.
    ronan45 wrote: »
    Turkey: 'IS suicide bomber' kills 10 in Istanbul Sultanahmet district - BBC News

    Hang on..

    Last i checked... Turkey were supporting ISIS covertly.... so why is ISIS bombing Turkey:confused:

    They are buying the shít out of oil pumped from ISIS held areas directly into Turkey and Erdogan himself has been implicated. Lot more to this than meets the eye.


  • #48
    Magico Gonzalez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Magico Gonzalez


    I don't really care if there is a thread or not, but the news did affect me. The Paris attacks probably shocked me more due to their brazenly callous nature but I have an emotional attachment with Istanbul for insignificant enough personal reasons.

    I really love the city, I think it's a special place and certainly for reasons that don't matter in this thread I am grateful for the visit (only once, for a week) I made.

    I met such intelligent, warm, decent people in Istanbul. I got fleeced by a taxi driver too, and I hated that, but so much of the rest of the visit left a lasting impression that this news really left me angry, sad and frustrated.

    I knew before I read this thread there would poorly informed stereotyping and generalisations thrown about right through it. I have to hope that some people are joking and could not possibly be quite so ignorant.


  • #49
    Figbiscuithead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 307 ✭✭Figbiscuithead


    murpho999 wrote: »
    As for people saying they don't care, see post no 9 quoted below.


    Person. He's not the spokesman for everyone in Ireland. You could've just started a thread on it and left it at that - people are now using the thread for discussion anyway.


  • #50
    Magico Gonzalez
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    The supporting ISIS narrative through oil purchasing narrative really needs some more investigation.

    What really happens is that cheap oil is bought from smugglers, some have previously bought from ISIS, some have not. Turkey is not directly dealing with and supporting ISIS although their indiscriminate purchasing of smuggled oil is indirectly helping.

    This will become less and less of an issue as the global oil price continues to plummet and limited storage capacity fills up.


  • #51
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    So is this the Istanbul bombing thread then or is it about people not starting a thread about it?

    It's both.


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  • #52
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,792 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Figbiscuithead wrote: »
    Person. He's not the spokesman for everyone in Ireland. You could've just started a thread on it and left it at that - people are now using the thread for discussion anyway.

    You can't have it both ways. You asked for evidence that I provide very clearly and then you say it doesn't really count.


  • #53
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    murpho999 wrote: »
    A suicide bomber killed ten people in the tourist centre of Istanbul today.

    Struck a chord with me as I was on that square last April.

    Why is there no reaction here?

    Just because it happened in Turkey and not France then it doesn't warrant a thread? Strange logic.


    You do realise this is your logic for why there was no thread on the topic?


  • #54
    drdeadlift
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    Magico Gonzalez wrote: »
    The supporting ISIS narrative through oil purchasing narrative really needs some more investigation.

    What really happens is that cheap oil is bought from smugglers, some have previously bought from ISIS, some have not. Turkey is not directly dealing with and supporting ISIS although their indiscriminate purchasing of smuggled oil is indirectly helping.



    This will become less and less of an issue as the global oil price continues to plummet and limited storage capacity fills up.



    So in short Turkey are part of the problem.Isnt erdograns son involved in funding isis


  • #55
    Vandango
    Closed Accounts Posts: 604 ✭✭✭Vandango


    My brother was telling me he heard some twat on Sky News, mentioning it was an attack on Greater Europe. I told him he made the mistake by even watching Sky News.


  • #56
    Magico Gonzalez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Magico Gonzalez


    drdeadlift wrote: »
    So in short Turkey are part of the problem.Isnt erdograns son involved in funding isis

    I have no idea what Erdogan's son is up to?

    I have no doubt that Turkey, the US, the French/UK, big oil, the saudi's, the syrians, the Arab spring, local territorial squabbles (kurds and more) have all been enablers for the rise of ISIS and that some of those contributing factors stretch back almost 100 hundred years.

    It's limiting to view the world in such limiting, back and white terms.

    That's all irrelevant of course, Istanbul is a beautiful, interesting city. It's heartbreaking for me that Istanbul and it's visitors are attacked.

    I don't care to be dragged into a puerile game of "sure and don't they deserve it" because I find that fairly disgusting to be honest.


  • #57
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Magico Gonzalez wrote: »
    I have no idea what Erdogan's son is up to?

    I have no doubt that Turkey, the US, the French/UK, big oil, the saudi's, the syrians, the Arab spring, local territorial squabbles (kurds and more) have all been enablers for the rise of ISIS and that some of those contributing factors stretch back almost 100 hundred years.

    It's limiting to view the world in such limiting, back and white terms.

    That's all irrelevant of course, Istanbul is a beautiful, interesting city. It's heartbreaking for me that Istanbul and it's visitors are attacked.

    I don't care to be dragged into a puerile game of "sure and don't they deserve it" because I find that fairly disgusting to be honest.

    Indeed. Similar to the leftists saying the French deserved it (not saying you said that).


  • #58
    Nodin
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    WarZ wrote: »
    I have to say Istanbul is probably my favourite city in the world, and I have travelled a lot.

    I stayed just a few metres from the blast site recently and I am still in contact with the hotel owner where we stayed. Suffice to say he's devastated by what happened.

    Initially I assumed this was a false flag by Erdogan to justify his crack down on the Kurds but it's already been confirmed as ISIS.

    Which begs the question, has the Erdogan family supported a monster that it can no longer control? Turkey probably saw two massive benefits in ISIS, cheap smuggled oil and the degrading of Kurdish militias

    Certainly more time attacking IS and less persecuting Kurds and whoever else displeases his majesty might stand better to him in the long run.


  • #59
    Knasher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    murpho999 wrote: »
    why it is not being discussed.
    Well, to be brutally honest, but people just aren't as shocked by attacks in Turkey. There were 4 last year by the way, one killing over 100 people. And sadly if you asked anybody, I'd say you'd get 100% (at least of people who are aware of the situation), who say they expect more before the end of the year. It's tragic, wherever it happens, but it isn't shocking when it happens in Turkey.

    I mean if you look at December alone, there were 14 terrorist attacks that killed more than 10 people, I'd say most people could probably name one (myself included), because the rest occurred in places where they are almost routine. That's tragic, but that's just the way it is.


  • #60
    Rezident
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭Rezident


    murpho999 wrote: »
    A suicide bomber killed ten people in the tourist centre of Istanbul today.

    Struck a chord with me as I was on that square last April.

    Why is there no reaction here?

    Just because it happened in Turkey and not France then it doesn't warrant a thread? Strange logic.

    I don't think it's because it's Turkey and not France. It's getting to the stage where a lunatic Islamic bombing is not 'news' anymore, it's just what they do. I think there's just so many fundamentalist muslim atrocities going on on a daily basis that it's genuinely hard to keep up with them all. There actually must be a suicide bombing planning committee in Turkey who went through all the hassle of setting up the attack, then it goes off as planned, and they barely get any press coverage, they must be gutted, the poor little evil, brainwashed fools.

    Maybe we should stop giving them the publicity they clearly crave so much. Just ignore them until they've blown most of themselves up and mop up the rest with drones.


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  • #61
    AryaStark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭AryaStark


    murpho999 wrote: »
    There was no need for me to start a thread about Paris as the event got practical live coverage on this forum.

    As for people saying they don't care, see post no 9 quoted below.



    I think that it is quite obvious that the post 9 you quoted was a joke and not meant to be taken to heart!!!


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