Swedish police accused of covering up rampant sexual abuse at music festival

cajonlardo · 12-01-2016 04:43PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Good article posted on A&A, showing that all of the 'cover up' conspiracy theory ideas, have originated as propaganda put out by a right-wing anti-immigration group:

Seriously? Good Article?
That same paper's front page describes Irish Vetting of Syrian Refugees as "Robust" .

inforfun · 12-01-2016 04:57PM

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

Yes, people who object to social problems caused by mass unskilled/uneducated immigration are disgusting/distasteful for exploiting a series of social problems that are caused by mass unskilled/uneducated immigration.

Yes, you can not point out if what warned or were afraid, does indeed happen.

At the same time the pro-immigration crowd cant get enough of pointing out the positives of the same immigration.

The positives like...... erm...... and uh.....

darkpagandeath · 12-01-2016 05:01PM

cajonlardo wrote: »

Seriously? Good Article?
That same paper's front page describes Irish Vetting of Syrian Refugees as "Robust" .

Careful now, Is one saying our task force in Greece is actually just people with clip boards asking passers by are they Syrian ?

KomradeBishop · 12-01-2016 05:07PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

He hasn't provided any evidence to refute the claims of a coverup. Instead he leans on the usual crutch of liberal usage of the term "right wing".

His whole argument centres around one question:

"When did the media cover-up of the Cologne attacks begin, and how long did it last?"
It lasted until the New York Times forced their hand and gave it the attention it deserved and then was picked up by the BBC and German MSM. Reporting in local newspapers outside of the sphere of influence of the German media elite is not evidence to refute the claims of a cover-up. The fact it took 5 days to reach the mainstream media is evidence enough.

The claim of a cover-up, is where the onus of burden-of-proof is - there is zero evidence presented of it so far, and the whole article is about how it is being asserted as cover-up, through 'truthiness' i.e. assertion without evidence.

KomradeBishop · 12-01-2016 05:09PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Except the right wing economic arguments for accepting refugees are very weak indeed. The drive to allow migrants into Europe has been driven by the left on social rather than economic grounds

It doesn't matter how strong or weak people think the arguments on either side are - it's a pan-ideological policy, not restricted to the left, or the right.

K-9 · 12-01-2016 05:17PM

That's what happens when people rely on Facebook posts or "alternative edgy media" sites for the truth.

It's like the guy posting about the video from Germany, that was actually from Egypt a couple of years ago. Bet whoever originated that story never corrected it and doesn't want to either.
All media needs to treated skeptically, they all want more clicks or views.

walshyn93 · 12-01-2016 05:22PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

It doesn't matter how strong or weak people think the arguments on either side are - it's a pan-ideological policy, not restricted to the left, or the right.

Except the right is open to immigration for economic reasons but tends to say lets shift out focus away from countries that want to kill us and only accept Chinese, Indians and South Americans whereas the left wants to say we shouldn't discriminate.

cajonlardo · 12-01-2016 05:23PM

K-9 wrote: »

That's what happens when people rely on Facebook posts or "alternative edgy media" sites for the truth.

It's like the guy posting about the video from Germany, that was actually from Egypt a couple of years ago. Bet whoever originated that story never corrected it and doesn't want to either.
All media needs to treated skeptically, they all want more clicks or views.

in the O. P, the poster gave the New York Times as a source. Not Facebook and not exactly alternative?

walshyn93 · 12-01-2016 05:23PM

K-9 wrote: »

That's what happens when people rely on Facebook posts or "alternative edgy media" sites for the truth.

It's like the guy posting about the video from Germany, that was actually from Egypt a couple of years ago. Bet whoever originated that story never corrected it and doesn't want to either.
All media needs to treated skeptically, they all want more clicks or views.

It was me who posted it originally and accepted it was wrong about 3 posts later so hold off on the spurious allegations.

walshyn93 · 12-01-2016 05:28PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

The claim of a cover-up, is where the onus of burden-of-proof is - there is zero evidence presented of it so far, and the whole article is about how it is being asserted as cover-up, through 'truthiness' i.e. assertion without evidence.

The only thing that would constitute proof of a coverup for some people is if the people who attempted the coverup came out and admitted it. We know that won't happen so we can all pretend it was just a misunderstanding, "it's not what it looks like guys we were understaffed"

The New York Times made the allegation that the women had to take to social media to protest the fact that the media wasn't giving them attention. Then came the deflecting of blame onto the right wing groups for capitalising on it.

Dick phelan · 12-01-2016 05:28PM

Reports show that in fact 2/3 are illiterate in every language bar there own, it is a complete myth that they are doctors, engineers ect the vast majority are unskilled.

Nodin · 12-01-2016 05:32PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

None of this is evidence of lack of a cover-up. The cover-up was obvious. It's a common trend and anyone who believes that this latest 5 day "delay" was not part of the trend of cover-ups of sex crimes by Muslims is deluded.

That mark you passed was the indication that you should stop digging.

aleksmart wrote:

Perhaps it never happened at all,and was some form of Mass Halucination ?

The "cover up" seems to have been, perhaps the state induced by people working themselves into a frenzy.

K-9 · 12-01-2016 05:33PM

cajonlardo wrote: »

in the O. P, the poster gave the New York Times as a source. Not Facebook and not exactly alternative?

I didn't mention the OP.

Lux23 · 12-01-2016 05:34PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Swedish mates say it's been like that for years just not reported due to Wracists angle.

Which is really very stupid because it just gives the racists more ammo.

walshyn93 · 12-01-2016 05:35PM

Nodin wrote: »

That mark you passed was the indication that you should stop digging.

The "cover up" seems to have been, perhaps the state induced by people working themselves into a frenzy.

It's gone from "there's no problem" to "there's no coverup of the problem"

K-9 · 12-01-2016 05:38PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

It was me who posted it originally and accepted it was wrong about 3 posts later so hold off on the spurious allegations.

Don't take it personally.

The problem is the amount of people who have watched that video and don't know it is falsified information.

Getting your news from disinformation sites is just as bad as being brainwashed by mainstream media, worse actually.

walshyn93 · 12-01-2016 05:42PM

K-9 wrote: »

Don't take it personally.

The problem is the amount of people who have watched that video and don't know it is falsified information.

Getting your news from disinformation sites is just as bad as being brainwashed by mainstream media, worse actually.

I did say "allegedly" btw.

AlekSmart · 12-01-2016 05:47PM

K-9 wrote: »

Don't take it personally.

The problem is the amount of people who have watched that video and don't know it is falsified information.

Getting your news from disinformation sites is just as bad as being brainwashed by mainstream media, worse actually.

I'd certainly see a lot of truth in the last bit alright,with a reasonably good example coincedentally surfacing on home territory today...

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/we-will-benefit-too-if-we-welcome-refugees-with-open-arms-375666.html

The requirement is no longer mere acceptance and integration....it's now compulsory to be "Enthusiastic" about it as well...

If, however, host countries enthusiastically integrate migrants, everyone will benefit — including home countries (for example, through remittances).

Mind you,the "remittances" bit is interesting...I wonder does Peter recommend reducing our €640,000,000 annual Foreign Aid budget as these "remittances" gain traction...

scdublin · 12-01-2016 06:06PM

This is incredibly worrying. Integration doesn't seem to be happening in a lot places and that was always one of my biggest concerns on this issue. Completely different views/culture to the majority of Europe so obviously it was going to be difficult especially with such large numbers of people coming through, but it's also hard to see what the solution is without going too far left or too far right. One thing that certainly won't help is cover ups like this.

KomradeBishop · 12-01-2016 06:22PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

The only thing that would constitute proof of a coverup for some people is if the people who attempted the coverup came out and admitted it. We know that won't happen so we can all pretend it was just a misunderstanding, "it's not what it looks like guys we were understaffed"

The New York Times made the allegation that the women had to take to social media to protest the fact that the media wasn't giving them attention. Then came the deflecting of blame onto the right wing groups for capitalising on it.

The only people who have alluded to the burden of proof being set that high, are the people who are trying to peddle the 'cover up' conspiracy theory.

What's the actual strongest proof of any kind of a cover-up? Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...

BigJackC · 12-01-2016 06:24PM

Instead of seeking to downplay the fact that this mob attack was instigated by people of Middle Eastern and African descent, the left needs to acknowledge people's real fears that a mass influx of refugees could have destabilising social and cultural effects in their host countries. Not deflect and tie themselves in knots very semantics.

dissed doc · 12-01-2016 06:28PM

scdublin wrote: »

This is incredibly worrying. Integration doesn't seem to be happening in a lot places and that was always one of my biggest concerns on this issue.

Integration barely ever happens. At best, even in expat groups with good salaries and high education, the kids still speak English at hpme or maybe in exceptional cases one or maybe both parents might learn the local language.

There is absolutely zero evidence that solitary males raised to adult age in the middle east ever integrate in the West. Likewise there is virtually no chance of a German ever integrating in Ireland, except maybe 10 years later. The cultural jump from Galway to Dublin is huge.

So what does he mean actually by integration? It means as far as I can tell, don't rape anyone. Has anyone specifically said what are the attributes of successful integration? no.

Is there any published evidence for any of what Sutherland says? No.

He is living in a mansion in London, where massive wealth breaks down social barriers.but without that money and wealth, would he be integrated into UK life even himself? No.

Extremists like Peter Sutherland and the other wealthy bourgeoisie in gated London mansion blocks, are afraid of two things:
1) The dangers of democracy breaking out across the European Union
2) a "European Revolution" like the French Revolution, dragging him and the wealthy elites to the guilotines.

With poverty all over Europe, homeless on city streets every night and massive taxes and state imposed debt, billions being sent abroad what is he is saying is laughable.

It is basically him saying "let them eat cake" if you want democracy and safety, the only things the state should be concerned with.

walshyn93 · 12-01-2016 06:43PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

The only people who have alluded to the burden of proof being set that high, are the people who are trying to peddle the 'cover up' conspiracy theory.

What's the actual strongest proof of any kind of a cover-up? Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...

And that's why so many alleged coverups went uncovered for so long.

At this point in time an allegation of a coverup is no longer an extraordinary claim. It's par for the course in multicultural Europe.

The_Kew_Tour · 12-01-2016 06:44PM

The only people who have come in for criticism in certain sections is the people who protested against Rapists.

It's amazing how liberals are trying to blame Protesters for being "hateful"

Oh I'm sorry, let them Rape away sure!!

Ya Protesting is 100x worse then Rapists.

The Randy Riverbeast · 12-01-2016 06:57PM

K-9 wrote: »

That's what happens when people rely on Facebook posts or "alternative edgy media" sites for the truth.

It's like the guy posting about the video from Germany, that was actually from Egypt a couple of years ago. Bet whoever originated that story never corrected it and doesn't want to either.
All media needs to treated skeptically, they all want more clicks or views.

The best I saw was that the video was created by the left in order to make those who are anti immigration, or "anti rapist" as some of them appear to like to call themselves all of a sudden, look stupid.

Surprisingly I havent seen that come up on boards yet. There are some people on boards who blame the left when they forget about their tea and its cold by the time they remember it.

Corpus Twisty · 12-01-2016 07:03PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

It's gone from "there's no problem" to "there's no coverup of the problem"

Classic -because enough time has passed that people begin to get a bit foggy on recollection - and then is a good time to start muddying the waters with "There was no cover-up, people are mistaken" and "the issue is being exaggerated" and "sure this couldn't have happened, what actually happened was....."

and doubt gets sown...and the world moves on, to the next. Like VB said yesterday "I doubt this happened, I mean really??"...

and so on and so forth. You'll note the Lefties were absent from the early debate on this, but when enough time has passed for outrage to fade, they slide in nicely with their abfustication, muddying and circular jerk-festing.

ceadaoin. · 12-01-2016 07:25PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

Denis MacShane, MP for Rotherham between 1994 and his resignation in 2012, said in a BBC radio interview that that no-one had come to him with child abuse allegations during that period, but conceded he should have gotten himself more involved in the issue. Admitting he had been guilty of doing too little, he said he had been aware of what he saw as the problems of cousin marriage and the oppression of women within sectors of the Muslim community in Britain, but "as a true Guardian reader, and liberal leftie, I suppose I didn't want to raise that too hard. I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat if I may put it like that." However, in hindsight, he did say that "I think that I should have burrowed into [the allegations]".[11]

Off topic but from what I have read, the dogs on the street knew what was and still is going on in Rotherham so it's not credible that he had no idea. I still think there was more to that cover up than just racial sensitivities though, ie people in the local council were involved in someway so it benefitted them to keep it quiet.

Canadel · 12-01-2016 07:27PM

Corpus Twisty wrote: »

You'll note the Lefties were absent from the early debate on this, but when enough time has passed for outrage to fade, they slide in nicely with their abfustication, muddying and circular jerk-festing.

Or they waited for the whole story to become clear and for the emergence of facts relating to the case before jumping to conclusions and delivering final judgements on the current EU immigration policy.

walshyn93 · 12-01-2016 07:33PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Off topic but from what I have read, the dogs on the street knew what was and still is going on in Rotherham so it's not credible that he had no idea. I still think there was more to that cover up than just racial sensitivities though, ie people in the local council were involved in someway so it benefitted them to keep it quiet.

I personally found it unbelievable that someone would hear of these allegations and not "burrow into them" especially when the white girls' parents were more than likely voters and the Pakistani men were likely not.

Nodin · 12-01-2016 07:33PM

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

The best I saw was that the video was created by the left in order to make those who are anti immigration, or "anti rapist" as some of them appear to like to call themselves all of a sudden, look stupid.

Surprisingly I havent seen that come up on boards yet. There are some people on boards who blame the left when they forget about their tea and its cold by the time they remember it.

In fairness now, some blame the feminists too.

Swedish police accused of covering up rampant sexual abuse at music festival

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