Sugar Crash on Rté what a load of

paidinmhaire · 12-01-2016 01:13AM

Nesta99 wrote: »

Ha! Living in the UK and working for the NHS the same kind of comments on such programs gets passed. I always worry a bit about scaremongering - it happens so often that the important message gets lost; From Edwina Curry and the 'eggs' scare, to the afore mentioned fat, types of carbs, even alcohol. People get danger-info fatigue!

Education in moderation is the only way. Maybe crank it up slowly over time as tell someone how little they consume weekly means concern about alcoholism, for example, no matter how scientific, dramatic quotas loses attention.

It is also foolish to look to past consumption trends as a panacea for public health as not all was good. Back to CHD in Ireland with the morning fry up 7 days a week.

Anybody catch the school in Louth that featured?

Without tobacco/cigarette type regulation all these things are a tough to push! especially to people already in mindsets. Change is needed via the youngest up and with free pre-school at 3 yrs old now at least education can intervene early enough if the public and by extension political will is there.

Scary if nothing changes as we and our children will be carrying a very very heavy healthcare burden (on top of an aging population as it is).

Social Naomh Colmchille, Togher, co. Louth I think

12-01-2016 01:13AM

pepe silvia wrote: »

I know people who would use half a kilo of sugar a day and they have none of those problems, and play sport to a decent standard.

I know in excess (i dont mean excess as in just over the recommended daily amount,id say 10 times that) it is a factor but why is sugar being singled out as the cause to every health problem

Half a kilo of sugar a day .....are you serious??

You don't have to be fat to have health issues from that level of sugar intake ....maybe not now but in the future. Type 2 diabetic is at epidemic levels and many of those who have it are young and not fat ! Educate yourself on the subject. This was pointed out in the programme ....the fact you are storing up problems for your future ...like the man with both legs amputated, was almost blind and had a liver transplant .....he wasn't even fat ....(what was left of him). It's a silent health hazard and especially scary when you see kids consuming that much 😱

paidinmhaire · 12-01-2016 01:15AM

paidinmhaire wrote: »

Scoil Naomh Colmchille, Togher, co. Louth I think

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NIMAN · 12-01-2016 01:16AM

Lots of these types of shows around these days, and they all do an awful pile of padding to get 1hr or whatever out of them.

There was one on British TV last week, 2 male twin doctors did an experiment where one had a high sugar/low fat diet for a month, the other had a high fat/low sugar diet.

In the end, it was discovered that both weren't great for you, and equally as bad.

But the big discovery revealed at the end after all the padding, was that a diet with a mix of fat and sugar was the worst !

No sh*t Sherlock.

colossus-x · 12-01-2016 01:19AM

pepe silvia wrote: »

Well I have done some research on the subject. In my opinion it is over-emphasised and lack of physical exercise is a much bigger problem.

The primary function of physical exercise is to exercise your cardiovascular system ie your heart and lungs. Burning calories through exercise , which may come from the fat stored in your body - is incidental, albeit welcome for some. Lean people don't stop doing cardio because they've no fat to burn. There is no merit in eating excess calories only to go running to burn off the calories you've just eaten.

When it comes to health what you consume is most critical. Exercise is important too but you could get away with doing nothing but the occasional walk as long as you eat right. Hydrogenated fat and high fructose corn syrup ( sugar ) are lethal. They cause so many problems aside from just putting on weight.

pepe silvia wrote: »

In fairness its surely different for a diabetic. Is that not like a lactose intolerant person telling other people they should stop drinking milk?

This comment is embarrassing. Your ill-informed to say the least. How to you think one becomes diabetic?

paidinmhaire · 12-01-2016 01:21AM

pepe silvia wrote: »

I know people who would use half a kilo of sugar a day and they have none of those problems, and play sport to a decent standard.

I know in excess (i dont mean excess as in just over the recommended daily amount,id say 10 times that) it is a factor but why is sugar being singled out as the cause to every health problem

Anyone using that level of sugar daily is storing up some extremely serious health issues for the future. In this context the playing of sport at any standard is irrelevant.

12-01-2016 01:23AM

how hard it is to meet the WHO limits vs whats on sale and I mean everyday stuff not obvious high sugar stuff ? the scene of the woman shopping and almost forensically checking labels wasn't far from the truth and this show didn't even get into salt or other problems we have with our food.

It's at the point now were each product on it's own is ok or fine once in a while but combined :eek: and they will all say as part of a balanced diet, to the point were supermarkets need a "you'll find it in the tastes like sh1t isle but won't kill you"

Edit: The breakfast cereal example was good, but even if you ditch the sugary ones, the rest all have insane amounts of salt in them.

ThisRegard · 12-01-2016 01:29AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Lots of these types of shows around these days, and they all do an awful pile of padding to get 1hr or whatever out of them.

There was one on British TV last week, 2 male twin doctors did an experiment where one had a high sugar/low fat diet for a month, the other had a high fat/low sugar diet.

In the end, it was discovered that both weren't great for you, and equally as bad.

But the big discovery revealed at the end after all the padding, was that a diet with a mix of fat and sugar was the worst !

No sh*t Sherlock.

That documentary is a year or two old, and I think you missed the point of it.

newacc2015 · 12-01-2016 01:52AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Lots of these types of shows around these days, and they all do an awful pile of padding to get 1hr or whatever out of them.

There was one on British TV last week, 2 male twin doctors did an experiment where one had a high sugar/low fat diet for a month, the other had a high fat/low sugar diet.

In the end, it was discovered that both weren't great for you, and equally as bad.

But the big discovery revealed at the end after all the padding, was that a diet with a mix of fat and sugar was the worst !

No sh*t Sherlock.

This is why I think TV, particularly relatively low budget RTE is ****ed in the future. You can go onto youtube and watch a TED talk or any clip. Where in 10-15 mins an expert will give you a humourous entirely fact based discussion on smoking, sugar, drug trafficking or violence.

There is no uneducated family put on the stage for 15-20 mins to belittle them about how little they know about the topic. There is no random walk around the supermarket and presenting pretending to discover how much sugar is in a can of coke.

Instead of getting an expert from the likes of the NY Times, like Michael Moss who has written excellent book called "sugar, salt and fat". RTE will put on some Irish "expert", who uses more buzzwords than facts and you gain nothing from it.

Sugar, Salt and Fat is scary to read. Such as Phillip Morris aka Marlboro used tactics they learned to sell cigarettes to children to sell process food to children

Here is a good long clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs2auTOPUxE

Nesta99 · 12-01-2016 01:56AM

Thanks paidinmahire it wasnt a Dundalk or Drogheda school anyway accent wise lol.

Is it really that hard for people to get that it is simple science and math in the end. Anything in excess is bad, balance is good, some stuff is better or worse than other. 30 mins of activity that gets the CV system working above resting level is great. Consume in and around the food that is needed (if people want to use calories as a guide so be it). Detox fads, teas, diets are bs - the liver is pretty good at it already. Sugar, to use the substance in question, gets regulated nicely by bits of the pancreas if it isnt overwhelmed. Nothing wrong with the old spuds et al as longs as it isnt heaped on a plate with feck all else. The old 7 a day isnt that tough either with a bit of cop (not boiled to death carrots).

Apple juice got a bit of a hammering on the program tonight - probably as parents deciding not to allow the kids fizzy drinks thinking the juice is healthy or healthier. FFS water is a contentious issue as bottles it can be loaded with sodium/potassium(salt) never mind the ethical and environmental impact. Plastic flasks we used as kids with hot fluid in them were supposed to be bad too. Break the glass in a proper flask and there was grief of sorts; so stainless steel flasks with tap water that isnt free anymore...dont mention the war. Fluidisation good or bad well damned if I know but my folks are plugging away in their 70's. Ok im getting in to a rant now so a final words: Clarity on food packaging that cant be manipulated to bamboozle, confuse, or mislead. The one part that resonated with me was the different names for sugars and all else in the ingredients sections of products. Also for sporty people why spend money on 'sports' drinks when room temperature water with a pinch of salt and glucose *cough* does the same job.

dialer · 12-01-2016 02:37AM

Deleted User wrote:

soylent green is the only answer

Gotta love peoples imagination.

I once herd Stephen Baldwin explain to a guest years ago, that by adding sugar to a mug of brew was like 'death in a tea cup'.

Made me think.

neckedit · 12-01-2016 07:21AM

pepe silvia wrote: »

In fairness its surely different for a diabetic. Is that not like a lactose intolerant person telling other people they should stop drinking milk?

No it's not, I an type 2 Diabetic, Thankfully caught early and Not medicating, Diet control only. I became diabetic due to eating the wrong high sugar diet and a sedentary life style, Which is becoming more common unfortunately. As I said earlier try a low sugar or no added sugar diet for a month, and see the difference, it's quite the eye opener.

Ceist_Beag · 12-01-2016 08:42AM

pepe silvia wrote: »

I know people who would use half a kilo of sugar a day and they have none of those problems, and play sport to a decent standard.

I know in excess (i dont mean excess as in just over the recommended daily amount,id say 10 times that) it is a factor but why is sugar being singled out as the cause to every health problem

You really are in denial! If what you say is true (half a kilo = 125 teaspoons) then those people you know are consuming far in excess of the recommended daily amount (i.e. >20 times that) so you are in complete contradication here - either you think half a kilo is excess and those people you know are in trouble or you are in denial.
BTW how on earth do you know if they have none of these problems - have you performed any tests on them? The problem could well go undetected until the damage is done.

HeidiHeidi · 12-01-2016 08:52AM

sideswipe wrote: »

Don't shoot the messenger.........no matter how bloody annoying they are.

The message is an important one none the less- watch Fedup on Netflix, very good account of the problem and 100% Dr Eva free!

Cerveja wrote: »

The message of the show is good but Eva Orsomond has an awful voice (at times sounding like Bosco), made it hard for me to stick with the show.

The messenger is precisely the reason I DIDN'T watch this show, as good as I'm sure the message was.

Can't abide that woman (or, more correctly, her manner on TV/radio - I don't know her at all so the first statement is unfair).

12-01-2016 09:25AM

newacc2015 wrote: »

This is why I think TV, particularly relatively low budget RTE is ****ed in the future. You can go onto youtube and watch a TED talk or any clip. Where in 10-15 mins an expert will give you a humourous entirely fact based discussion on smoking, sugar, drug trafficking or violence.

There is no uneducated family put on the stage for 15-20 mins to belittle them about how little they know about the topic. There is no random walk around the supermarket and presenting pretending to discover how much sugar is in a can of coke.

Instead of getting an expert from the likes of the NY Times, like Michael Moss who has written excellent book called "sugar, salt and fat". RTE will put on some Irish "expert", who uses more buzzwords than facts and you gain nothing from it.

Sugar, Salt and Fat is scary to read. Such as Phillip Morris aka Marlboro used tactics they learned to sell cigarettes to children to sell process food to children

Here is a good long clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs2auTOPUxE

Yes. But having programmes like this on at peak time on the national broadcaster is surely hitting a far wider audience than YouTube clips.
Whether you like the presenter or not the message is crucially important !!

MayoForSam · 12-01-2016 09:48AM

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but big business has been gradually adding higher levels of fructose to our diet and making most of us addicted to the stuff over the years and it's not good for you at all. There are many parallels to be drawn with what the tobacco companies were doing 40 years ago. Fructose is very cheap to produce and is added to nearly all fizzy drinks, fruit juices, etc. We hardly every buy Coke or similar drinks in our house because if they're available, the kids will glug them back. Plain water, maybe with a small amount of added cordial, is way healthier. I have also gone off so-called 'low fat' foods e.g. yoghurts, as they are laced with sugar. Fruit (or smoothies) is the way to go.

Maybe RTE were jumping on the health bandwagon, especially around this time of year, and Dr. Eva may look like Barbie with a weird accent, but you can't fault the message.

12-01-2016 09:55AM

If you want to watch a fantastic documentary on sugar - watch Fed Up on netflix. Cannot recommend it enough. A real eye opener and you realise quickly that education is the key to the obesity problem. Mothers buying everything "low fat" for their overweight children because that's what they've been sold by media and marketing as being the right thing to do.

I have this particular show recorded, but I can't stand Eva Orsmonde so I might just give it a miss. I know already that sugar is not good for you - but ice cream.

Macy0161 · 12-01-2016 09:58AM

MayoForSam wrote: »

I have also gone off so-called 'low fat' foods e.g. yoghurts, as they are laced with sugar. Fruit (or smoothies) is the way to go.

Some are - you just have to check. There's two issues - the added sugar, and then the labeling that allows you to identify them. Personally I have a bigger issue with the labeling (not just around sugar tbh).

12-01-2016 10:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you want to watch a fantastic documentary on sugar - watch Fed Up on netflix. Cannot recommend it enough. A real eye opener and you realise quickly that education is the key to the obesity problem. Mothers buying everything "low fat" for their overweight children because that's what they've been sold by media and marketing as being the right thing to do.

I have this particular show recorded, but I can't stand Eva Orsmonde so I might just give it a miss. I know already that sugar is not good for you - but ice cream.

Even if you know your stuff you should watch this programme!
I also don't like Dr Eva and her voice is grating .....I also know my stuff about nutrition and hidden sugars . But Sugar Crash was brilliant ......totally reinforced my resolve to ditch as much as sugar as possible .

Funny I noticed that as I ate some Cadburys Roses over Christmas I felt awful about 30 mins later and for the rest of the day . Groggy, tired, irritable.....
Usually I avoid sugar so my diet is pretty clean ......it really struck me this Christmas how sick any sugar was making me feel .

Ceist_Beag · 12-01-2016 10:37AM

Quick question to those in the know. Is there a difference in counting the sugars in natural products versus added sugar in processed products? e.g. we have porridge each morning (made with 50% milk) and add a spoon of honey to each bowl. If I count the sugars in the milk and honey it almost comes to 2 teaspoons per portion (honey shows as 67% sugars). Is this the same as added sugar (so in effect are we giving the children two thirds of their recommended daily limit in this breakfast)? If not, how do you count natural sugars such as these towards the daily total?

squonk · 12-01-2016 10:40AM

I can't stand Dr. Eva either but might give the show a look. For health reasons my diet has changed in the past 6 months and I now consume very little added sugar bar whatever I get from fruit, a biscuit and a bit of cake at the weekends. It's OK in moderation I think but over Christmas when I was eating much more sugar I certainly noticed the difference. Eat enough over a week or two period and you just feel like crap.

The thing is though, if somebody told me this time last year I'd have written the paragraph above I'd have laughed. I wasn't gouging on sugar back then but I was consuing way more all the same. Thankfully I never got diabetes but some other health issues over the year forced me to change diet. It does seem to be true that eating a good diet does a lot to help you lose weight and keep it off. One thing I personally find about sugar is that it seems to make you more hungry if you have something that's pretty igh in sugar. I'm kind of glad I'm weaned off it really and now I really enjoy my sugary snacks as they pretty much are treats!

It's hard though for the average person feeding a family to keep things under control. I'm only sorting food for myself so I can make conscious decisions to cut sugar and stick to it. I don't have people leaving sweets around or asking for particular products. It's tough for families to curb sugar intake so having Dr. Eva screaming at them probably doesn't help!

Ruby31 · 12-01-2016 10:43AM

I don't buy juices, yoghurts, jars etc. but am struggling to fill up the lunch boxes and offer varity.[/quote]

Same here. What on earth are you supposed to put in lunch boxes these days? It annoys me that raisins, bread sticks, rice cakes are permitted, although they're full of sugar, but homemade baked goods (that can often have minimal sugar as its controlled by the cook!) are seen as treats.

I think cookery should be a subject in schools as we're far too reliant on pre-packaged, convenience 'food' these days.

Eugene Norman · 12-01-2016 10:44AM

There's sugar in fruit folks.

sideswipe · 12-01-2016 10:45AM

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

Quick question to those in the know. Is there a difference in counting the sugars in natural products versus added sugar in processed products? e.g. we have porridge each morning (made with 50% milk) and add a spoon of honey to each bowl. If I count the sugars in the milk and honey it almost comes to 2 teaspoons per portion (honey shows as 67% sugars). Is this the same as added sugar (so in effect are we giving the children two thirds of their recommended daily limit in this breakfast)? If not, how do you count natural sugars such as these towards the daily total?

I stand to be corrected but the 6 spoons a day recommended by WHO is referring to added sugar in food? I don't think it refers to natural sugars like the lactose in your milk.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 12-01-2016 10:48AM

Obviously too much of anything is bad for you. However I would wonder if the people that jump on every health bandwagon are really that healthy either. With different experts pushing for zero (or little) carbs, zero (or little) fat and zero (or little) sugar some people could get a little over-whelmed.

sideswipe · 12-01-2016 10:49AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

There's sugar in fruit folks.

Yes, natural sugars that our bodies were designed to break down slowly as our digestive system breaks down the fibre that is comes with.
Take away the fibre i.e. fruit juice and your left with free sugar which rushes through the digestive system much quicker- spiking blood sugar levels and asking a lot more of your liver.

rafatoni · 12-01-2016 10:51AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

There's sugar in fruit folks.

There is sugar and salt in everything, avoiding them is a non runner unless you drink water and eat grass 24/7.

This kind of programs our out every few years and they are getting a bit boring really...

we have had about a million diets in the last 10 years and at thee time they were the best thing ever, now we have a new one. alas this will be the one.

Atkins
Paelo
Low carbs
No sugar
Juice diet...
5 and 2..

Its very simple folks, good balanced diet and everything in moderation with good excercise. it works wonders trust me...

sideswipe · 12-01-2016 10:54AM

Graham Ashy Court wrote: »

Obviously too much of anything is bad for you. However I would wonder if the people that jump on every health bandwagon are really that healthy either. With different experts pushing for zero (or little) carbs, zero (or little) fat and zero (or little) sugar some people could get a little over-whelmed.

You're probably right. Jumping on 'every health bandwagon' is not a very good idea.

However the sugar epidemic that we face, the younger generations especially is no bandwagon.

Penny Tration · 12-01-2016 10:59AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you want to watch a fantastic documentary on sugar - watch Fed Up on netflix. Cannot recommend it enough. A real eye opener and you realise quickly that education is the key to the obesity problem. Mothers buying everything "low fat" for their overweight children because that's what they've been sold by media and marketing as being the right thing to do.

I have this particular show recorded, but I can't stand Eva Orsmonde so I might just give it a miss. I know already that sugar is not good for you - but ice cream.

I watched this ages ago on whoops' recommendation and it's a fantastic documentary, really educational and made me check labels of what I eat very carefully. I'm still fat cause I've eaten bad food for years and it'll take a while to undo that, but I feel more alert and healthier since cutting out sugar as much as possible (i don't eat white bread anymore, or tinned soups, low fat products, jar sauces etc).

12-01-2016 11:03AM

rafatoni wrote: »

Its very simple folks, good balanced diet and everything in moderation with good excercise. it works wonders trust me...

Couldn't agree more. I think the biggest issue with sugar though, is that it's often hidden and we need to be more aware of where those sugars are hidden. Companies make out that products are healthy by calling them "low fat" but they're in fact, not healthy. Muller light yogurts - for example. Jars of Dolmio sauce etc.

If we can get people eating food they've prepared/cooked themselves, eating natural versions of the food they're eating (natural yogurt with fresh berries added instead of a strawberry yogurt say or homemade bolognese) then we would have a lot less obesity to worry about.

Sugar Crash on Rté what a load of

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