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Swedish police accused of covering up rampant sexual abuse at music festival

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  • #152
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    screamer wrote: »
    Do you leave your doors unlocked at night? Bet you don't and why? To keep you safe and protected.

    Doors and walls are a social construct.... reject the constructiarchy!


  • #153
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭screamer


    Corpus Twisty wrote: »
    No nooo No. Walls are never a solution to anything. He keeps his roof up with optimism and high hopes.
    Yep walls are for idiots........... think a read of the three little pigs would be beneficial here.


  • #154
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,540 ✭✭✭emo72


    The Highwayman wrote: »
    The stupidly is strong in this one.

    The fact remains there has been a huge and deliberate cover up across Europe of crime which we in the west find disgusting and abhorrent.

    There is a reason for this and it's to made us accept millions of people who have no place in Europe in the first place.

    look its obviously nothing personal about the guy. but his outlook is actually depressing me. hundreds of girls getting attacked. im sickened.


  • #155
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    screamer wrote: »
    Do you leave your doors unlocked at night? Bet you don't and why? To keep you safe and protected.


    Didn't you know that locking your doors at night is now racist? How dare you western scum.

    Damn you testaccount123...


  • #156
    Memnoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    Corpus Twisty wrote: »
    I've a wall around my garden. And a gate. It keeps the gurriers out. Seems a solution to me anyway. Prisons swear by them too. Keeps the gurriers in.

    Christ all mighty. This like David Cameron and George Osborne talking about how you have to balance household budgets as some kind of relevant analogy to a national economic strategy.


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  • #157
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    You forgot the animal 'lovers'

    People from Wicklow cannot be prevented from travelling abroad. You've been told this before.


  • #158
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    screamer wrote: »
    Yep walls are for idiots........... think a read of the three little pigs would be beneficial here.

    ....are you saying reading a book about 3 pigs will keep muslims out?


  • #159
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....are you saying reading a book about 3 pigs will keep muslims out?

    Oh Nodin, dont even go there :eek:


  • #160
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭take everything


    Memnoch your assertion that all people are basically the same needs to be looked at.

    Can we accept that there is at least a difference in attitudes to women between Muslim and non-Muslim cultures. I think it would be disingenuous to claim the psychologies (however formed- culture, religion, society etc) are basically the same.

    I think people here are just saying this needs to be looked at. Especially if integration is to be successful.

    That kind of organised sexual assault is unprecedented from what I can see (outside of wartime) in Europe. It involved Arab/North African men. It's not a stretch to say that the attitude to women in the countries from which they came is linked to this peculiar behaviour.


  • #161
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭screamer


    No but I think that the OP for that comment that walls are for idiots can learn a valuable lesson about the benefit of walls when undesirables are outside. Kids read this and understand it but looks like self protection is a notion lost in some adults ......


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  • #162
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Nodin wrote: »
    People from Wicklow cannot be prevented from travelling abroad. You've been told this before.


    Ha ha, very funny.

    Now if you you don't mind can you please address post, 83

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98379499&postcount=83


  • #163
    The Highwayman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭The Highwayman


    Memnoch wrote: »

    Because the US trained and armed extremists like the Taliban in order to fight the russians.

    No they didn't.
    The CIA trained and funded the mujahideen who were fighting the Soviets.

    If your going to try and be condensing and attempt to be intellectual at least get your facts straight ;-)


  • #164
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Memnoch wrote: »
    Okay, I'll try... in brief...

    Why is the middle east a hell hole...

    Because of centuries of colonialism and imperialism.

    Because the US and Russia fought proxy wars using these countries.

    Because the US trained and armed extremists like the Taliban in order to fight the russians.

    Because imperialistic forces have in turn placed dictators in power, removed them when they become inconvenient, funded and trained extremists and terrorists and in general continued to **** about in the region for the rape of the regions natural resources, mostly oil for the last several decades.

    Because they have enabled and empowered corrupt dictators to remain in power and keep their popultations impoverished, uneducated and ignorant to maintain this stranglehold in order to continue to exploit their natural resources and fight proxy wars with other world powers.

    All of which has been fuelled by the greed of a few wealthy multinational corporations and individuals who have become extremely wealthy from all this war and destruction.

    Syria is just the latest example of this.

    Look at the practise of Christianity around the world 30-50 years ago. We've only in the past couple of decades modernised christianity in a mostly peaceful western world.

    Look at the war and turmoil in Islamic countries for the past 50 years. They haven't had the environment to modernise and isolating them will only make things worse not better.

    Iran was a secular country and fairly progressive until the CIA decided to put the Shah in power when they wanted to stop the rape of their oil. This resulted in the Islamic revolution and now Iran is an islamic fundamentalist state.

    I can go on and on... but really, study history. It's 100x more complex than 'Muslims evil, Christians good.'

    Don't worry, the Saudis will fix all this with all their fairly negotiated oil money. They just need to add a few more gold plated bugattis to the collection before helping the neighbours modernise and throw off the mental shackles we have put them in.


  • #165
    Memnoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    take everything wrote: »
    Memnoch your assertion that all people are basically the same needs to be looked at.

    Can we accept that there is at least a difference in attitudes to women between Muslim and non-Muslim cultures. I think it would be disingenuous to claim the psychologies (however formed- culture, religion, society etc) are basically the same.

    I think people here are just saying this needs to be looked at. Especially if integration is to be successful.

    That kind of organised sexual assault is unprecedented from what I can see (outside of wartime) in Europe. It involved Arab/North African men. It's not a stretch to say that the attitude to women in the countries from which they came is linked to this peculiar behaviour.

    In short, I agree with you generally.

    I think there are issues with cultures in many 3rd world and developing nations in terms of attitudes towards women, homosexuals etc where a lot of progress needs to be made. This is not exclusive to Islam. Christianity and Hinduism are equally regressive where there is poverty and a lack of education.

    What happened in Cologne needs to be looked at carefully and appropriate steps taken to deal with it and to prevent this from happening again. But that needs careful examination and thinking. Not some knee jerk - 'Ban all muslims,' nonsense being trumpeted around.

    What I won't stand for is a bunch of far right racists using this as cover to legitimise their xenophobia and label an entire population of people as 'rapists.' Or to use this as an excuse to say we should ignore the persecution of millions in war torn countries.


  • #166
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    Yes I do take the actions of rapist Catholic priests and the subsequent cover ups by their peers and supporters as representative of Catholics, why on earth wouldnt I? So does everyone else, which is why that organisations popularity has plummeted.

    You arent very bright.

    That is truly one of the dimmest posts I ever read. Do you know any Catholics? Have you confronted them about these inherent child raping tendencies you suspect them of? You really should report them to the police.


  • #167
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Ha ha, very funny.

    Now if you you don't mind can you please address post, 83

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98379499&postcount=83

    Why? its about Germany.


  • #168
    Memnoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    The Highwayman wrote: »
    No they didn't.
    The CIA trained and funded the mujahideen who were fighting the Soviets.

    If your going to try and be condensing and attempt to be intellectual at least get your facts straight ;-)

    And where did the Taliban come from?

    Congratulations on your pedantic victory.


  • #169
    Mourinho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Mourinho


    So it was hushed up to prevent right wing parties getting more support.

    Ironic thing being this will thankfully guarantee more and more people copping on to the traitorous left and flocking to right wing parties :)


  • #170
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Memnoch wrote: »
    In short, I agree with you generally.

    I think there are issues with cultures in many 3rd world and developing nations in terms of attitudes towards women, homosexuals etc where a lot of progress needs to be made. This is not exclusive to Islam. Christianity and Hinduism are equally regressive where there is poverty and a lack of education.

    What happened in Cologne needs to be looked at carefully and appropriate steps taken to deal with it and to prevent this from happening again. But that needs careful examination and thinking. Not some knee jerk - 'Ban all muslims,' nonsense being trumpeted around.

    What I won't stand for is a bunch of far right racists using this as cover to legitimise their xenophobia and label an entire population of people as 'rapists.' Or to use this as an excuse to say we should ignore the persecution of millions in war torn countries.

    what happened in Cologne needs to be stopped.


  • #171
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Smidge wrote: »
    Oh Nodin, dont even go there :eek:

    Too late. Too late.











    I bet he's already tried Peppa Pig


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  • #172
    .45auto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭.45auto


    Memnoch wrote: »
    And where did the Taliban come from?

    Congratulations on your pedantic victory.

    Memnoch your in full damage control just leave the thread with the little decency you have


  • #173
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    take everything wrote: »
    Memnoch your assertion that all people are basically the same needs to be looked at.
    People are the same. Despites Memnochs apparent belief that he is special enough to understand where everyone else doesnt, this is actually blindingly obvious.

    However;

    All religions are not the same
    All political Ideologies are not the same
    All education systems are not the same
    All economies are not the same
    All cultures are not the same

    These things affect people, which is the part our hero here appears to have missed.

    To think that people from different religious, political, economic, philosophical and cultural backgrounds are identical is frankly moronic.


  • #174
    Memnoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    Special Circumstances wrote: »
    Don't worry, the Saudis will fix all this with all their fairly negotiated oil money. They just need to add a few more gold plated bugattis to the collection before helping the neighbours modernise and throw off the mental shackles we have put them in.

    The Saudi royal family are a perfect example. Filthy rich scumbags who stay in power through keeping their population impoverished, uneducated and ignorant. They encourage religious rule because this allows them to control education as well and keep the populace in check.

    All with the collusion of wealthy multi-national corporations and their puppet elected representatives in the western world.


  • #175
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why? its about Germany.

    It's late and I've had a few beers but always wanted to say that to you. Maybe it's time for bed, I've got work tomorrow :o


  • #176
    Memnoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    testaccount123 wrote: »
    People are the same. Despites Memnochs apparent belief that he is special enough to understand where everyone else doesnt, this is actually blindingly obvious.

    However;

    All religions are not the same
    All political Ideologies are not the same
    All education systems are not the same
    All economies are not the same
    All cultures are not the same

    These things affect people, which is the part our hero here appears to have missed.

    To think that people from different religious, political, economic, philosophical and cultural backgrounds are identical is frankly moronic.

    People are the same. They have the same hopes, dreams, aspirations, fears and basic needs.

    Most people are decent human beings. To suggest that an entire population of people are inherently rapist is absolutely ridiculous.

    If all Muslims are rapists then all western men must be child abusers by the same logic.


  • #177
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭screamer


    Memnoch wrote: »
    The Saudi royal family are a perfect example. Filthy rich scumbags who stay in power through keeping their population impoverished, uneducated and ignorant. They encourage religious rule because this allows them to control education as well and keep the populace in check.
    And your alternative is? We've seen how liberating such countries and bringing democracy has worked.......... to create more war torn countries vacuous of any leadership and law....... genius.


  • #178
    testaccount123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭testaccount123


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    That is truly one of the dimmest posts I ever read. Do you know any Catholics? Have you confronted them about these inherent child raping tendencies you suspect them of?
    Yes, I have discussed the predilection for child rape and conspiratorial cover-ups among the clergy with many Catholics and ex-Catholics. There have been many threads on this website about it. You seem surprised about it.

    What is it with peoples unwillingness to accept that mass rape has and is happening among religions which claim to be our moral guardians?


  • #179
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Memnoch wrote: »
    This is an argument of semantics.

    At the heart of racism and xenophobia is fear of the 'other.' The attitude towards Muslims, describing them all as potential rapists is no different to describing all Blacks in America as potentially criminals.

    You can sit on the very thin edge of the surface and simplify things to say, 'this isn't racism.'

    But if you look at the underlying logic and rational behind it, then you will see is that this is exactly what racism looks like.

    Self-Interest be it for the individual or the group is not racism, its easy tactic to label legitimate concerns as racism because it trumps any dissenting view point but its not a long term strategy.
    Look at it this way, you can ignore legitimate concerns about large scale non-EU migration and wave them away, it doesn't mean because a thread is closed or the media doesn't report it that peoples views have changed it just means the problems that could have been addressed when they are small get bigger and bigger.
    Then something you can't ignore happens the problems to big to fix easily and all those people who's legitimate concerns have been ignored don't trust 'you' to deal with the problem because of the previous track record so they reach towards the extremists and extreme solutions.

    You know who the minimizers actually harm, its the Muslim/Arabic people that are educated, hard working and integrated, and even those who are not integrated and hold to more fundamentalist religious beliefs and/or traditional views on woman keep themselves to themselves and ignore mainstream western society rather than clashing with it and breaking their own religious beliefs by anti-social behavior or violent extremism (a Film version of what I am talking about is the character of Omar's brother Ahmed in '4 Lions'


  • #180
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,032 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Memnoch wrote: »
    We always want to blame somebody. It's easy to say, hey lets blame Muslims. Lets tell all the Muslims to fcuk off. Because that is the easy thing to say and it makes us feel better. It satisfies our own prejudices and our fear of the 'other' which has been ingrained in us genetically for millions of years, but is one of the biggest barriers in the way for our civilisation and humanity to progress further.

    The issues are complex and multifaceted and the fixes are not easy or painless.

    What the likes of Isis want is for Muslims all around the world to feel completely alienated. They want a race war.

    Gung-ho right wingers here might say - hey lets bring it on. But that's moronic. Because the reality is that no one wins in a world war.

    So we need an exchange of people and ideas. We need to accept refugees. This is a globalised world. Multicultural integration is inevitable.

    These things will take a long time to fix and there will always be a flux in the moment in the world between socially conservative and liberal ideas. A to and fro.

    But ultimately as the world becomes more educated, things will continue to become more liberalised.

    Building a 'wall' is not a solution to ANYTHING. It's a short term bandaid proposed by idiots.

    I have read your posts even after this one and you make some excellent points.

    I don't agree with much of it, but that's not to say your opinion is wrong.

    But while I agree, the fundamental problem is that people are different.

    We can throw all the money on educating these people but it ain't going to change anything

    First things first. We need to just make it harder to get into EU. There has to be a 1 strike and your out policy. Also I applaud countries like Poland and Hungary who are looking after their own interest first.

    It's what every country should be doing.

    I'd welcome 10 million Africans from Congo or Syrians if they were able to accept a society and not rape a woman, or murder another human.

    I don't walk down Street and see Black Person or Muslim and think they are a rapist or murderer.

    It's our own Policies in the EU we have to change. This free passage crap around Europe is just not working. A Lithuanian with 42 previous convictions was able to walk away with killing a 23 year old man in this country not long ago. Cause he is in EU he can. That's not right either.

    It's not a racial or sectarian issue, it's more acting like a decent human being one.

    End of..

    EVENFLOW



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  • #181
    Memnoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    .45auto wrote: »
    Memnoch your in full damage control just leave the thread with the little decency you have

    Damage control? Lol.

    I am getting tired though. :)


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