Swedish police accused of covering up rampant sexual abuse at music festival

Memnoch · 11-01-2016 11:31PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Im not going speculate on countries I have not been to, but I've been to Nigeria, Samolia and Congo in Africa for instance and Rape is like a 2nd hobby for many there.

I sadly witnessed a kidnapping in Africa too. By all accounts she survived from what we heard. Oh it wasn't a Priest in any case.

Now I'm not naive to think the Catholic or Protestant churches are some sort of Goody Gooders either.

But they're big difference. In Western Society people have stood up to abuse and people condemned it, mainly. In other countries it seen as norm and in Congo for example I have met men who Women as alone as fair game.

Now of course they're rapists in Ireland, but when one is found out they are highlighted, people are warned and warn others and in some cases beat **** out of them.

So yes they're differences

The differences are not between people. Fundamentally most human beings are decent who care about each other, about their neighbours and about their society, who want a fair chance at a decent life.

Poverty and lawlessness are endemic in the 3rd world not because these are a 'worse class of people' but because of complex geo-political-social issues and historical issues that will take a long time to unravel.

People are the same everywhere. There are right wing racists in Muslim countries who are telling everyone there how the westerners are against their way of life and want to destroy it and kill all their people.

Same as the right wingers over here. Both sides want nothing more than to rile everyone up into a fury so they can satisfy their own hatred for each other.

It's the vast majority of ordinary decent people who get caught in between.

Memnoch · 11-01-2016 11:32PM

testaccount123 wrote: »

You think hundreds of rapists roaming the streets in Cologne constitutes a small minority? How much rape is acceptable in your book exactly? Perhaps you can volunteer your female relatives to take their fair share of rape?

Gutter logic. Out of the millions of refugees and billions of muslims in the world, yes this is a small minority.

Just as the hundreds of western men who go to 3rd world countries to rape children are a small minority. Or the thousands who pay over the internet to watch children get molested are a small minority.

LeBash · 11-01-2016 11:34PM

Drakares wrote: »

Translated on Reddit from a Swedish Newspaper as a comment from the police chief in charge: "It's a sensitive topic, sometimes we don't dare to say things as they are because we're afraid that it plays into the hands of the Swedish Democrats (populist right-wing). We have to take responsibility within the police-force." Original

Absolutely disgusting. Is Europe gone completely left all of a sudden? Covering up sexual abuse just so the right-wing doesn't have something to complain about?

That's not "left" it's just stupid.

testaccount123 · 11-01-2016 11:36PM

Memnoch wrote: »

Gutter logic.

Says the rape apologist

The_Kew_Tour · 11-01-2016 11:37PM

Memnoch wrote: »

The differences are not between people. Fundamentally most human beings are decent who care about each other, about their neighbours and about their society, who want a fair chance at a decent life.

Poverty and lawlessness are endemic in the 3rd world not because these are a 'worse class of people' but because of complex geo-political-social issues and historical issues that will take a long time to unravel.

People are the same everywhere. There are right wing racists in Muslim countries who are telling everyone there how the westerners are against their way of life and want to destroy it and kill all their people.

Same as the right wingers over here. Both sides want nothing more than to rile everyone up into a fury so they can satisfy their own hatred for each other.

It's the vast majority of ordinary decent people who get caught in between.

Ya but your posts that were on something different, totally different actually.

I'm not looking down at these people. Some live in extreme poverty, it's sad.

Nobody is born a rapist, but it's accepted by so many there.

What you say is right. Who you are blaming though is totally wrong and that's my argument against yours.

Memnoch · 11-01-2016 11:39PM

testaccount123 wrote: »

Says the rape apologist

When have I apologised for rape? I have condemned it in the strongest possible terms and I always will.

What I will NOT do, is agree to the persecution of hundreds of thousands or millions of innocent people as a result, because that is no more justifiable.

nokia69 · 11-01-2016 11:39PM

Memnoch wrote: »

People are the same everywhere. There are right wing racists in Muslim countries who are telling everyone there how the westerners are against their way of life and want to destroy it and kill all their people.

Same as the right wingers over here. Both sides want nothing more than to rile everyone up into a fury so they can satisfy their own hatred for each other.

how can you claim that people are the same everywhere

If that were the case why is the Middle East and the islamic world such a hell hole, while Europe and the west is in general the opposite

NYE in Germany is proof that people are not all the same

open your eyes and wake up to the reality

The Highwayman · 11-01-2016 11:41PM

Memnoch wrote: »

Congratulations for missing the point COMPLETELY.

The point is, you don't take the actions of Catholic priests, Catholics in Africa etc etc and generalise them as representative of an entire population do you?

Because it is frankly idiotic to do so. The people who do this are racist idiots.

Please explain to me how you can be racist to an idoliogy? Can you be racist to capitalism, communism or feminism? No its simply an ideology and you can reject an ideology if you deem it to be worthless.

Racist, a simple minded, go to remark the SJW use when someone disagrees with their idiotic leftists clap trap.

The reason this was covered up in Sweden, Germany, Finland and other European countries is simply this. There has been an agreement between the heads of state to keep it that way, Remember Merkel's little chat with Zuckerberg? They in turn have put the police, media and social media in their the own nations under pressure not to talk about it. All the while Europe is diluted with millions of Muslims from parts of the world which have no historical, cultural or geographical connection with it.
And why is this? Purely to accelerate the rush into the United States of Europe. The globalisation agenda is right there in front of your nose.
The diluted idea of nationhood with millions of people who have no connection to that nation or culture.

A fascist dogma which seeks to control, islam is not just a 'religion' is very much a political system. If fact I would argue it's a political system masquerading as a religion. A political system where decent is not tolerated and voting is simply not needed.

Thank God for non mainstream media where these kind of stories come out eventually.

screamer · 11-01-2016 11:41PM

If these crimes are not reported by media and are allowed to go under the radar then the message to the rapists will be clear- go ahead with what you are doing we have neither the guts nor the balls to deal with you and rape will become widespread. No punishment no condemnation no reporting means no fear or inhibitions. Disgusting and shame on the EU countries. Time for women to learn self defence and a can of pepper spray wouldn't go astray. Yes it's illegal so is rape.

testaccount123 · 11-01-2016 11:44PM

The Highwayman wrote: »

Please explain to me how you can be racist to an idoliogy? Can you be racist to capitalism, communism or feminism?

He called me a racist for looking unfavourably on Catholics after their leaders were seen to have systemically raped children for decades here and covered up afterwards.

I dont think he thinks mass rape is very important. Its more important not to hurt the feelings of rapists.

Memnoch · 11-01-2016 11:44PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ya but your posts that were on something different, totally different actually.

I'm not looking down at these people. Some live in extreme poverty, it's sad.

Nobody is born a rapist, but it's accepted by so many there.

What you say is right. Who you are blaming though is totally wrong and that's my argument against yours.

We always want to blame somebody. It's easy to say, hey lets blame Muslims. Lets tell all the Muslims to fcuk off. Because that is the easy thing to say and it makes us feel better. It satisfies our own prejudices and our fear of the 'other' which has been ingrained in us genetically for millions of years, but is one of the biggest barriers in the way for our civilisation and humanity to progress further.

The issues are complex and multifaceted and the fixes are not easy or painless.

What the likes of Isis want is for Muslims all around the world to feel completely alienated. They want a race war.

Gung-ho right wingers here might say - hey lets bring it on. But that's moronic. Because the reality is that no one wins in a world war.

So we need an exchange of people and ideas. We need to accept refugees. This is a globalised world. Multicultural integration is inevitable.

These things will take a long time to fix and there will always be a flux in the moment in the world between socially conservative and liberal ideas. A to and fro.

But ultimately as the world becomes more educated, things will continue to become more liberalised.

Building a 'wall' is not a solution to ANYTHING. It's a short term bandaid proposed by idiots.

Malcolm600f · 11-01-2016 11:45PM

Memnoch wrote: »

Just as the hundreds of western men who go to 3rd world countries to rape children are a small minority. Or the thousands who pay over the internet to watch children get molested are a small minority.

Again going off topic and trying to turn this into a western people bashing thread..
The thread is about whats going on currently in Europe and the rapes taking place been covered up no need to be trying to turn off topic

Memnoch · 11-01-2016 11:46PM

nokia69 wrote: »

how can you claim that people are the same everywhere

If that were the case why is the Middle East and the islamic world such a hell hole, while Europe and the west is in general the opposite

NYE in Germany is proof that people are not all the same

open your eyes and wake up to the reality

The answer to this would take far longer to explain that you have the patience to listen I to answer.

Here's what I suggest to you. Accept my hypothesis as fact. The vast majority of people are fundamentally the same everwhere. Then look at history, politics, sociology, economics and religion from that lens. Understand these. Read literature, and maybe you will begin to understand. I can't spoon feed it to you.

Or continue to live in ignorance and hatred. Whatever floats your boat.

Memnoch · 11-01-2016 11:49PM

The Highwayman wrote: »

Please explain to me how you can be racist to an idoliogy? Can you be racist to capitalism, communism or feminism? No its simply an ideology and you can reject an ideology if you deem it to be worthless.

Racist, a simple minded, go to remark the SJW use when someone disagrees with their idiotic leftists clap trap.

The reason this was covered up in Sweden, Germany, Finland and other European countries is simply this. There has been an agreement between the heads of state to keep it that way, Remember Merkel's little chat with Zuckerberg? They in turn have put the police, media and social media in their the own nations under pressure not to talk about it. All the while Europe is diluted with millions of Muslims from parts of the world which have no historical, cultural or geographical connection with it.
And why is this? Purely to accelerate the rush into the United States of Europe. The globalisation agenda is right there in front of your nose.
The diluted idea of nationhood with millions of people who have no connection to that nation or culture.

A fascist dogma which seeks to control, islam is not just a 'religion' is very much a political system. If fact I would argue it's a political system masquerading as a religion. A political system where decent is not tolerated and voting is simply not needed.

Thank God for non mainstream media where these kind of stories come out eventually.

This is an argument of semantics.

At the heart of racism and xenophobia is fear of the 'other.' The attitude towards Muslims, describing them all as potential rapists is no different to describing all Blacks in America as potentially criminals.

You can sit on the very thin edge of the surface and simplify things to say, 'this isn't racism.'

But if you look at the underlying logic and rational behind it, then you will see is that this is exactly what racism looks like.

.45auto · 11-01-2016 11:49PM

Memnoch wrote: »

The answer to this would take far longer to explain that you have the patience to listen I to answer.

Here's what I suggest to you. Accept my hypothesis as fact. The vast majority of people are fundamentally the same everwhere. Then look at history, politics, sociology, economics and religion from that lens. Understand these. Read literature, and maybe you will begin to understand. I can't spoon feed it to you.

Or continue to live in ignorance and hatred. Whatever floats your boat.

Wow man you are so cool and progressive "g-go r-read a book" cool comeback man really cool thumbsup4u

Corpus Twisty · 11-01-2016 11:49PM

screamer wrote: »

If these crimes are not reported by media and are allowed to go under the radar then the message to the rapists will be clear- go ahead with what you are doing we have neither the guts nor the balls to deal with you and rape will become widespread. No punishment no condemnation no reporting means no fear or inhibitions. Disgusting and shame on the EU countries. Time for women to learn self defence and a can of pepper spray wouldn't go astray. Yes it's illegal so is rape.

Another not too oft discussed issue is fear. Simple fear. The message of "Charlie Hebdo" was quite basic - "Mock us and you die". That filters down and your average jobbing journalist suddenly decides that perhaps "passing" on stories that might bring you into that particular spotlight may be bad for your health. So stories go unreported.

It's understandable, but against the old basis for journalism - fearlessness. Reporting the news as you see it without fear or favour. That ideal has all but died at this stage.

The "You Racist!" card knocked in the final nail. What badly paid newspaper hack wants that grief? "Let's pass and report on the bad people not taxing their cars.."

The Highwayman · 11-01-2016 11:51PM

Memnoch wrote: »

The answer to this would take far longer to explain that you have the patience to listen I to answer.

Here's what I suggest to you. Accept my hypothesis as fact. The vast majority of people are fundamentally the same everwhere. Then look at history, politics, sociology, economics and religion from that lens. Understand these. Read literature, and maybe you will begin to understand. I can't spoon feed it to you.

Or continue to live in ignorance and hatred. Whatever floats your boat.

Translation

Just belive what I say I'm smarter than you, you ignorant pleb.
Why? Because that's why...

Fantastic argument there chap

masti123 · 11-01-2016 11:52PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Have we gone full circle with leftists/liberals covering up sexual abuse now?

We need a central approach middle ground. Operation common sense.

It's not liberalism, it's the regressive left.

screamer · 11-01-2016 11:53PM

[quote="Memnoch;98381197"

So we need an exchange of people and ideas. We need to accept refugees. This is a globalised world.[/quote]

What we don't need is an exchange of peace in our countries for the violent disorder that is being brought from these war turn countries. We must not accept rapefugees. and remember countries have and need borders to keep people safe by keeping others out.........

emo72 · 11-01-2016 11:53PM

Memnoch wrote: »

We always want to blame somebody. It's easy to say, hey lets blame Muslims. Lets tell all the Muslims to fcuk off. Because that is the easy thing to say and it makes us feel better. It satisfies our own prejudices and our fear of the 'other' which has been ingrained in us genetically for millions of years, but is one of the biggest barriers in the way for our civilisation and humanity to progress further.

The issues are complex and multifaceted and the fixes are not easy or painless.

What the likes of Isis want is for Muslims all around the world to feel completely alienated. They want a race war.

Gung-ho right wingers here might say - hey lets bring it on. But that's moronic. Because the reality is that no one wins in a world war.

So we need an exchange of people and ideas. We need to accept refugees. This is a globalised world. Multicultural integration is inevitable.

These things will take a long time to fix and there will always be a flux in the moment in the world between socially conservative and liberal ideas. A to and fro.

But ultimately as the world becomes more educated, things will continue to become more liberalised.

Building a 'wall' is not a solution to ANYTHING. It's a short term bandaid proposed by idiots.

i have to say thats the worst post ive seen on boards in days.

Elemonator · 11-01-2016 11:53PM

Political correctness with be the death of Europe. I'm not a racist or against refugees, but if you have a problem just speak up about it.

nokia69 · 11-01-2016 11:55PM

Memnoch wrote: »

The answer to this would take far longer to explain that you have the patience to listen I to answer.

Here's what I suggest to you. Accept my hypothesis as fact. The vast majority of people are fundamentally the same everwhere. Then look at history, politics, sociology, economics and religion from that lens. Understand these. Read literature, and maybe you will begin to understand. I can't spoon feed it to you.

Or continue to live in ignorance and hatred. Whatever floats your boat.

I'm not ignorant of the islamic world and its culture, I find its people with your world view that are ignorant of the facts

I have been listening to people like you for over 20 years and I find it strange that the BS stays the same no matter what happens

i'm starting to think its some form of mental illness, I'm not saying this as an insult, I really am starting to think that people on the loony or far left are mad

testaccount123 · 11-01-2016 11:55PM

Memnoch wrote: »

But if you look at the underlying logic and rational behind it, then you will see is that this is exactly what racism looks like.

Ok fine, lets call criticism of mass rape and subsequent cover ups 'racism' then and move on.

Can you put a figure on how much mass rape in Europe we are expected to tolerate to still be considered non-racist in your book?

chillybilly · 11-01-2016 11:57PM

mynamejeff wrote:

Last time i was there a few years ago there was plenty of north african and Somalian people around .

They tend to congregate around the central railway station but many of them are students from random African countries, they're actually great craic. I used to live in a poorer area (as that's where the student flats were) and in the few years that I lived there you could seldom hear Finnish being spoken, it was mostly Russian, Spanish, heavily accented English and random South Asian languages. Quite the shock for someone raised in a town of some 50k faces. Still, there was never any crime (that I'm aware of)

Corpus Twisty · 11-01-2016 11:58PM

Memnoch wrote: »

We always want to blame somebody. It's easy to say, hey lets blame Muslims. Lets tell all the Muslims to fcuk off. Because that is the easy thing to say and it makes us feel better. It satisfies our own prejudices and our fear of the 'other' which has been ingrained in us genetically for millions of years, but is one of the biggest barriers in the way for our civilisation and humanity to progress further.

The issues are complex and multifaceted and the fixes are not easy or painless.

What the likes of Isis want is for Muslims all around the world to feel completely alienated. They want a race war.

Gung-ho right wingers here might say - hey lets bring it on. But that's moronic. Because the reality is that no one wins in a world war.

So we need an exchange of people and ideas. We need to accept refugees. This is a globalised world. Multicultural integration is inevitable.

These things will take a long time to fix and there will always be a flux in the moment in the world between socially conservative and liberal ideas. A to and fro.

But ultimately as the world becomes more educated, things will continue to become more liberalised.

Building a 'wall' is not a solution to ANYTHING. It's a short term bandaid proposed by idiots.

I've a wall around my garden. And a gate. It keeps the gurriers out. Seems a solution to me anyway. Prisons swear by them too. Keeps the gurriers in.

The Highwayman · 11-01-2016 11:58PM

emo72 wrote: »

i have to say thats the worst post ive seen on boards in days.

The stupidly is strong in this one.

The fact remains there has been a huge and deliberate cover up across Europe of crime which we in the west find disgusting and abhorrent.

There is a reason for this and it's to made us accept millions of people who have no place in Europe in the first place.

screamer · 12-01-2016 12:00AM

Memnoch wrote: »

Building a 'wall' is not a solution to ANYTHING. It's a short term bandaid proposed by idiots.

Do you leave your doors unlocked at night? Bet you don't and why? To keep you safe and protected.

Corpus Twisty · 12-01-2016 12:02AM

screamer wrote: »

Do you leave your doors unlocked at night? Bet you don't and why? To keep you safe and protected.

No nooo No. Walls are never a solution to anything. He keeps his roof up with optimism and high hopes.

Memnoch · 12-01-2016 12:03AM

The Highwayman wrote: »

Translation

Just belive what I say I'm smarter than you, you ignorant pleb.
Why? Because that's why...

Fantastic argument there chap

Okay, I'll try... in brief...

Why is the middle east a hell hole...

Because of centuries of colonialism and imperialism.

Because the US and Russia fought proxy wars using these countries.

Because the US trained and armed extremists like the Taliban in order to fight the russians.

Because imperialistic forces have in turn placed dictators in power, removed them when they become inconvenient, funded and trained extremists and terrorists and in general continued to **** about in the region for the rape of the regions natural resources, mostly oil for the last several decades.

Because they have enabled and empowered corrupt dictators to remain in power and keep their popultations impoverished, uneducated and ignorant to maintain this stranglehold in order to continue to exploit their natural resources and fight proxy wars with other world powers.

All of which has been fuelled by the greed of a few wealthy multinational corporations and individuals who have become extremely wealthy from all this war and destruction.

Syria is just the latest example of this.

Look at the practise of Christianity around the world 30-50 years ago. We've only in the past couple of decades modernised christianity in a mostly peaceful western world.

Look at the war and turmoil in Islamic countries for the past 50 years. They haven't had the environment to modernise and isolating them will only make things worse not better.

Iran was a secular country and fairly progressive until the CIA decided to put the Shah in power when they wanted to stop the rape of their oil. This resulted in the Islamic revolution and now Iran is an islamic fundamentalist state.

I can go on and on... but really, study history. It's 100x more complex than 'Muslims evil, Christians good.'

testaccount123 · 12-01-2016 12:03AM

screamer wrote: »

Do you leave your doors unlocked at night? Bet you don't and why? To keep you safe and protected.

Locking your doors is racist.

Swedish police accused of covering up rampant sexual abuse at music festival

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