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Swedish police accused of covering up rampant sexual abuse at music festival

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  • #62
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Smidge wrote: »
    The important thing is the bit in your statement that I have bolded.
    "A" sexual assault is one thing.
    Mass assaults on women is an entirely different thing and is ABSOLUTELY news worthy.

    It's newsworthy alright, but police don't report stuff because it's newsworthy. That's not their job.
    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    What I read yesterday was that they were asked about this by a journalist who was planning a report. Then they didn't hear back from her and when they chased it up she said she had been told to shelve the story because it was too much like SD propaganda which I gather is a Swedish anti immigration party.

    Who didn't hear back from her?


  • #63
    Drakares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Drakares


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Are they from the same town or something?
    So we should continue letting them in uncontrolled is what you're saying then? Don't paint 'em all with the same brush and let em flow on in?


  • #64
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    It's newsworthy alright, but police don't report stuff because it's newsworthy. That's not their job.





    Who didn't hear back from her?

    The police didn't hear back from the journalist after her initial inquiries.


    http://nyheteridag.se/exposing-major-pc-cover-up-in-sweden-leading-daily-dagens-nyheter-refused-to-write-about-cologne-like-sex-crimes-in-central-stockholm/


    Kjöller got the phone number to one of the police officers who were on duty during the event in Kungsträdgården and could provide a recollection of the events. Nyheter Idag has talked with the police officer who Kjöller talked to in August, and he was eager to tell Dagens Nyheter about the massive cases of sexual assault against young girls in central Stockholm.

    “She sent a text message to me once, early on, where she wrote that she was looking for me, she wanted to talk. After that, I tried to get in touch with her, but that was when things started to get awry. She answered sometimes, said she would get back to me. But it never amounted to anything. She was interested in it for half day or a day, then she wasn’t anymore”.

    The officer explains that he worked for several evenings during this week in Kungsträdgården square. He tells of how he and his colleagues had to apprehend a large number of young men who sexually assaulted girls, in large part unaccompanied refugees from Afghanistan.
    The police officer, who has worked as a police officer for over 20 years, emphatically states several times that the events in Kungsträdgården were systematic and extensive in number. This was what he wanted to tell Hanne Kjöller of Dagens Nyheter.

    “We got in touch and talked briefly, and she said she would call back, which she did not. So I looked for her, she did not call back. I tried to reach her at another time, but I never heard back from her again. I called several times, cannot say exactly how many. It was over a three or four day period”.

    “The editor at DN dismissed the story as SD falsity”


  • #65
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Anyone see that 21 second clip of young German women been dragged by dozens of men to be raped in Cologne?

    I swear it's been long time since I have been this upset about a clip.

    I'm angry, I'm angry that this has been brushed aside. I'm angry this has been considered a once off. I'm angry that the rapist will get slap on the wrist. I'm angry that Feminist groups consider this just from a small minority, I'm angry that Liberal countries like Sweden, Finland and Germany are now full of sick bastard willing to threat woman like meat.

    I'll always remember a good friend say to me that "the only person more dangerous then right wing nut job, is a left liberal who will let bad things happen"

    I stress to the Mods not to shut this down.

    Sweden needs to be talked about
    Germany needs to be talked about
    Finland needs be talked about

    Cause if we don't get our act together it's only matter of time before Ireland will be get way to gang rape of a disturbing scale.

    By hey, it's me that's the **** some will say.

    was that the clip that was actually filmed in Egypt in 2013? Ive seen it relabelled as Cologne a few times now

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  • #66
    KERSPLAT!
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    MOD

    If you want to discuss mass immigration, immigrants, etc there are threads in the Cafe here and in Humanities here

    Please read their charter before posting.

    This thread is about the reported cover up of sexual abuse at a music festival.


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  • #67
    Smidge
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    It's newsworthy alright, but police don't report stuff because it's newsworthy. That's not their job.



    Who didn't hear back from her?

    Of course they do!!
    Almost every single police force use the media to report on accidents/crashes, appeals for missing persons. I could go on on and but you well know that they do.
    If this had been a gang of 1000 skin heads or what ever other group you want to think up, would the German police have issued a statement to warn people to be "careful in certain areas, pay attention and not wear head phones, be vigilant with your personal safety" and all of those other phrases that we have all heard police officers make when the appear on a news report on TV???

    This is dragging the debate off topic though as this isnt 100% about the German police reaction.
    Its about well organised very large groups of men congregating for the sole intention and purpose of assaulting, both physically and sexually and terrorising women.
    These men also happen to be refugees and this needs to be discussed.


  • #68
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Smidge wrote: »
    Of course they do!!
    Almost every single police force use the media to report on accidents/crashes, appeals for missing persons. I could go on on and but you well know that they do.
    If this had been a gang of 1000 skin heads or what ever other group you want to think up, would the German police have issued a statement to warn people to be "careful in certain areas, pay attention and not wear head phones, be vigilant with your personal safety" and all of those other phrases that we have all heard police officers make when the appear on a news report on TV???

    This is dragging the debate off topic though as this isnt 100% about the German police reaction.
    Its about well organised very large groups of men congregating for the sole intention and purpose of assaulting, both physically and sexually and terrorising women.
    These men also happen to be refugees and this needs to be discussed.

    We aren't allowed to discuss that very important fact here going by the mod message above


  • #69
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Now wikileaks twitter is reporting it too.
    2.9 million followers

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/686617106952155136


  • #70
    Nodin
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    Reading this it would seem that - if a coverup did in fact occur - it was the paper not the police. Secondly, its not been established whether or not the reporter did actually talk to any of the policed involved. Thus far it seems to be more accusations rather than fact.

    http://nyheteridag.se/exposing-major-pc-cover-up-in-sweden-leading-daily-dagens-nyheter-refused-to-write-about-cologne-like-sex-crimes-in-central-stockholm/


  • #71
    emo72
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    the police serve the state? surely they shouldnt be deciding what crimes are reported, if it leads to support for one political ideology over another. the people vote, they decide the government, and the police serve the people. i know a bit idylic, but thats the way the state is meant to function.

    police pulling stunts to keep the status quo in power is wrong. now the media, well they lost trust a long time ago. i expect nothing from them anymore.


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  • #72
    cajonlardo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    Nodin wrote: »
    Reading this it would seem that - if a coverup did in fact occur - it was the paper not the police. Secondly, its not been established whether or not the reporter did actually talk to any of the policed involved. Thus far it seems to be more accusations rather than fact.

    http://nyheteridag.se/exposing-major-pc-cover-up-in-sweden-leading-daily-dagens-nyheter-refused-to-write-about-cologne-like-sex-crimes-in-central-stockholm/

    Did you read the source (NY times) article linked in O.P?
    Are you saying the NYT made their story up?

    " The Swedish newspaper said that the police had not mentioned the attacks until it published details about them, and it accused the authorities of failing to warn the public before the festival that similar attacks had occurred in 2014, prompting speculation that the authorities were trying to avoid an anti-immigrant backlash."


  • #73
    Uncle Ben
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    cajonlardo wrote: »
    Did you read the source (NY times) article linked in O.P?
    Are you saying the NYT made their story up?

    Its Nodin.


  • #74
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    A bit like Ibiza Uncovered!

    or coppers..


  • #75
    Nodin
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    cajonlardo wrote: »
    Did you read the source (NY times) article linked in O.P?.


    I was referring to the linked article in my post.


  • #76
    cajonlardo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    Nodin wrote: »
    I was referring to the linked article in my post.

    Then you must have missed this: "The police on Monday said that they should have shared more information. “We should certainly have written and told people about this, no doubt,” Varg Gyllander, a Stockholm police spokesman told Dagens Nyheter, according to The Local. “Why it did not happen, I do not know.”


  • #77
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    cajonlardo wrote: »
    Then you must have missed this: "The police on Monday said that they should have shared more information. “We should certainly have written and told people about this, no doubt,” Varg Gyllander, a Stockholm police spokesman told Dagens Nyheter, according to The Local. “Why it did not happen, I do not know.”

    ....which again doesn't nessecarily mean a cover up.


  • #78
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....which again doesn't nessecarily mean a cover up.

    And we're offf.....


  • #79
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    And we're offf.....

    ....with people pointing out that thus far nothing is proven.


  • #80
    cajonlardo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    Nodin wrote: »
    Reading this it would seem that - if a coverup did in fact occur - it was the paper not the police. Secondly, its not been established whether or not the reporter did actually talk to any of the policed involved. Thus far it seems to be more accusations rather than fact.

    http://nyheteridag.se/exposing-major-pc-cover-up-in-sweden-leading-daily-dagens-nyheter-refused-to-write-about-cologne-like-sex-crimes-in-central-stockholm/
    Nodin wrote: »
    ....which again doesn't nessecarily mean a cover up.


    Article you refer to names and dates when conversations and information was exchanged between reporter and police. Neither reporter nor police are denying this took place


  • #81
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    They are trying desperately to postpone the inevitable backlash from the white working class across mainland Europe

    Those who are engineering this are twisted psychopaths who care little for any human being


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  • #82
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    They are trying desperately to postpone the inevitable backlash from the white working class across mainland Europe

    Those who are engineering this are twisted psychopaths who care little for any human being

    just heard our own yes man on the radio saying he completely trusts the screening process for refugees...


  • #83
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....with people pointing out that thus far nothing is proven.

    What's proven is that hundreds of women were sexually assaulted across Germany and other countries on New Years eve. It's proven that this wasn't reported immediately so as not to stir up tensions. The German national broadcaster has even apologized for that. The police chief of Cologne was forced to resign because of his department reporting that New Years eve was peaceful overall when it was anything but. It's really not that much of a stretch to presume it is also happening in other countries. 'It' being the covering up of certain crimes.


  • #84
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    What's proven is that hundreds of women were sexually assaulted across Germany and other countries on New Years eve. It's proven that this wasn't reported immediately so as not to stir up tensions. The German national broadcaster has even apologized for that. The police chief of Cologne was forced to resign because of his department reporting that New Years eve was peaceful overall. It's really not that much of a stretch to presume it is also happening in other countries. 'It' being the covering up of certain crimes.

    Nail on head.


  • #85
    darkpagandeath
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    What's proven is that hundreds of women were sexually assaulted across Germany and other countries on New Years eve. It's proven that this wasn't reported immediately so as not to stir up tensions. The German national broadcaster has even apologized for that. The police chief of Cologne was forced to resign because of his department reporting that New Years eve was peaceful overall when it was anything but. It's really not that much of a stretch to presume it is also happening in other countries. 'It' being the covering up of certain crimes.

    Unidentified males, You know like the crack here with articles and then mentions slash hook or feud....


  • #86
    RIGHTisRIGHT
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 726 ✭✭✭RIGHTisRIGHT


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Unidentified males, You know like the crack here with articles and then mentions slash hook or feud....

    And in bolt cases it's their culture.


  • #87
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Smidge wrote: »
    Of course they do!!
    Almost every single police force use the media to report on accidents/crashes, appeals for missing persons. I could go on on and but you well know that they do.
    If this had been a gang of 1000 skin heads or what ever other group you want to think up, would the German police have issued a statement to warn people to be "careful in certain areas, pay attention and not wear head phones, be vigilant with your personal safety" and all of those other phrases that we have all heard police officers make when the appear on a news report on TV???

    This is dragging the debate off topic though as this isnt 100% about the German police reaction.
    Its about well organised very large groups of men congregating for the sole intention and purpose of assaulting, both physically and sexually and terrorising women.
    These men also happen to be refugees and this needs to be discussed.

    The police will report something if they need to make people aware of a danger or obstruction. This is not the case in either Sweden or Cologne. The incidents had passed and where not ongoing, there was nothing to warn people of. They will sometimes also report on an incident if they need a witness. They won't report something because it's newsworthy. It's just not done. That's up to the government.


  • #88
    eisen1968
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    little cuchulainn " the incidents had passed and were not ongoing" Yes a few women were raped but thankfully they aren't being raped any more. Move along now nothing to see here. Are you F.............ing serious?


  • #89
    chillybilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭chillybilly


    The_Kew_Tour wrote:
    I'm angry, I'm angry that this has been brushed aside. I'm angry this has been considered a once off. I'm angry that the rapist will get slap on the wrist. I'm angry that Feminist groups consider this just from a small minority, I'm angry that Liberal countries like Sweden, Finland and Germany are now full of sick bastard willing to threat woman like meat.


    Why is Finland on that list? They currently have the most right-wing government they've ever had, and afaik there haven't been any incidents there recently.


  • #90
    The_Kew_Tour
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    chillybilly wrote: »
    Why is Finland on that list? They currently have the most right-wing government they've ever had, and afaik there haven't been any incidents there recently.

    Helsinki was also subject to attacks on NYE

    If reports are true it was 2nd worst behind Cologne actually

    EVENFLOW



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  • #91
    darkpagandeath
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    chillybilly wrote: »
    Why is Finland on that list? They currently have the most right-wing government they've ever had, and afaik there haven't been any incidents there recently.

    Too cold the two Finish guys I know say they don't tend to get a lot of migrants. No critical mass to start problems.


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