Moore street sit in

Amalgam · 09-01-2016 11:48AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Moore street is turning into anything but the resemblene of Irish history.

Its ethnic shops and internet cafes etc has eroded that.

Kind of ironic really.

It now symbols this new multicultural Ireland where its culture and heritage are slowly been dissolved slowly but surely.

Nodin wrote: »

Dear god.....can we have one thread that isn't hijacked.

Not a negative comment Nodin. I don't think.

I was there yesterday and am kind of baffled why shouting, 'up the republic', at passers by, has any specific aim. What do they really want?

Oh.. and I'd cross a badly lit street to avoid a few of them.

Fleawuss · 09-01-2016 11:50AM

There is so much political footballing done on this issue it would make you puke. There is an attempt being made to save the historic houses which from a construction point of view demands demolition of other houses of no or much less significance. Has anyone evidence that the demolition of these houses is part of an insult?

FG are being blamed for this alleged insult: this is pure civil war politics rising its stupid head again. FF were in power for the vast majority of the years of this state and what did they do about Moore Street? I am sick of the civil war bull**** and political point scoring. There are far more important things to have a go at Kenny and Burton about than this stuff.

1916 was an historic event but the truth must be said about it every time it's mentioned: they had no mandate for what they did. There is no escaping that.

I think much more could be done with the GPO as a centre of remembrance. And the Garden of remembrance in Parnell Square is beautiful. Best of all if you want to understand Pearse go out to St Endas in Rathfarnam. It's very well managed and in those rooms there's a real sense of what he was about. It reeks of the vision of the time.

Internet Ham · 09-01-2016 11:53AM

Fleawuss wrote: »

I think much more could be done with the GPO as a centre of remembrance.

The GPO should be. It is a stunning building and bears the scars of the day. It is the perfect spot.

enda1 · 09-01-2016 11:54AM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Great food, atmosphere, diversity & craic though

Brick Lane's just a tourist trap and 'wanna be hipster' destination for Essex louts. Full of Bangladeshi restaurants posing as Indian. Ugh take it and keep it.

Bits_n_Bobs · 09-01-2016 11:55AM

Fleawuss wrote: »

There are far more important things to have a go at Kenny and Burton about than this stuff.

Agreed. The lack of a bank holiday for Paddy to commemorate his 'national heridage' in proper Irish style (think copious amounts of booze) is a thundering disgrace! I'm boycotting the whole bloody thing and FG and Lab until my right to my national heridage piss-up is restored!!!

Nodin · 09-01-2016 11:55AM

enda1 wrote: »

Brick Lane's just a tourist trap and 'wanna be hipster' destination for Essex louts. Full of Bangladeshi restaurants posing as Indian. Ugh take it and keep it.

You ordered your driver not to stop, I take it.

suicide_circus · 09-01-2016 11:56AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Typically Irish of the Fine Gael type - their 1916 commemoration video was described by historian Diarmiad Ferriter as "embarrassing unhistorical sh*t" for including cameos of the British Queen and Prime Minister while the Easter Rising leaders didn't get a look in.

They're an embarrassment to this nation.

Haven't seen the video but I've a lot of time for Ferriter. I'll have a look at it and no doubt cringe my head off

Mesrine65 · 09-01-2016 11:57AM

enda1 wrote: »

Brick Lane's just a tourist trap and 'wanna be hipster' destination for Essex louts. Full of Bangladeshi restaurants posing as Indian. Ugh take it and keep it.

I'm good friends with a lot of the Bangla Boys crew down there

JustTheOne · 09-01-2016 12:07PM

Is there actually anything fg don't get the blame for?

Maybe bird flu? I'll have a Google and check.

Mesrine65 · 09-01-2016 12:12PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Is there actually anything fg don't get the blame for?

Bringing blue shirts back into fashion?

:P

09-01-2016 12:14PM

Nodin wrote: »

Essentially they don't trust the renovators or the government not to destroy the place. Theres good grounds for this, given the dubious goings on over the site and given the fact its now FG in power.

It's not an Eirigi protest, afaik they invited themselves as per usual.

What have the protesters done down the years to preserve these buildings from falling into their current state? Has it more to do with the 2016 General Election rather than the 1916 Rising?

09-01-2016 12:18PM

Internet Ham wrote: »

The GPO should be. It is a stunning building and bears the scars of the day. It is the perfect spot.

Wasn't the GPO all but destroyed and had to be rebuilt, not being re opened for a good 10 years, so how could it bear the scars?

gladrags · 09-01-2016 12:18PM

Internet Ham wrote: »

Did I give you the impression my eyes were closed? I am on Moore Street at least once a week, I fail to see any of this sense of pride you are talking about on any part of the street. It is filthy and consists of African shops to buy a weave or internet cafes.

If stepping over rotten fruit, fish and vomit is something to be proud of that says far more about you than it does me.

I was not referring to the present state of Moore st,my previous posts will confirm this.

I was clearly referring to its historical and cultural value,as it was an integral part of Dublin culture.

enda1 · 09-01-2016 12:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wasn't the GPO all but destroyed and had to be rebuilt, not being re opened for a good 10 years, so how could it bear the scars?

It was gutted I believe but it's façades remained. You can see bullet holes sure in the columns if you look!

Internet Ham · 09-01-2016 12:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Wasn't the GPO all but destroyed and had to be rebuilt, not being re opened for a good 10 years, so how could it bear the scars?

The pillars survived or were salvaged. They have bullet holes all over them. Unless I was lied to in Junior Cert history.

Alright so. Let's leave Moore Street looking like a Bangladeshi market for the sake of bricks and mortar then. For what? A reminder? We could do that. Or we could remember the old fashioned way. You know. By remembering it.

The buildings in and of themselves are insignificant.

Internet Ham · 09-01-2016 12:22PM

enda1 wrote: »

It was gutted I believe but it's façades remained. You can see bullet holes sure in the columns if you look!

Seconds behind you!

Nodin · 09-01-2016 12:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What have the protesters done down the years to preserve these buildings from falling into their current state? Has it more to do with the 2016 General Election rather than the 1916 Rising?

The group to save moore street was set up years ago and has been steadily campaigning and lobbying for same. They aren't a party, so an election is irrelevant.

Phoebas · 09-01-2016 12:41PM

Has anyone got a link to the alternative plan the protesters have for Moore St?

And details of the financing they have in place?

gladrags · 09-01-2016 12:48PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Has anyone got a link to the alternative plan the protesters have for Moore St?

And details of the financing they have in place?

Do you have a link to what the Wood Quay protesters
alternitave was?

Or to the protesters who protested about the destruction of Georgian Dublin?

Moore St has a rich history aside from 1916.

As have many others sites of historical interest across Ireland,and they are worth preserving.

For Forks Sake · 09-01-2016 12:51PM

Nodin wrote: »

The group to save moore street was set up years ago and has been steadily campaigning and lobbying for same. They aren't a party, so an election is irrelevant.

The main spokesperson being reported the past few days is an Eirigi member.

09-01-2016 12:52PM

Came across this video of the aftermath of the Rising. http://www.britishpathe.com/video/war-damage-in-ireland

09-01-2016 12:55PM

gladrags wrote: »

Do you have a link to what the Wood Quay protesters
alternitave was?

Or to the protesters who protested about the destruction of Georgian Dublin?

Moore St has a rich history aside from 1916.

As have many others sites of historical interest across Ireland,and they are worth preserving.

If they are so worth preserving, then why were they let get into such a state?

gladrags · 09-01-2016 12:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What have the protesters done down the years to preserve these buildings from falling into their current state? Has it more to do with the 2016 General Election rather than the 1916 Rising?

You clearly know nothing about Moore St.

Phoebas · 09-01-2016 01:02PM

gladrags wrote: »

Do you have a link to what the Wood Quay protesters
alternitave was?

Or to the protesters who protested about the destruction of Georgian Dublin?

Moore St has a rich history aside from 1916.

As have many others sites of historical interest across Ireland,and they are worth preserving.

I'm just looking to see the detail of the alternative plan, so I can evaluate the two.

Do you happen to have a link to it? Or are you saying that there is no alternative plan and the protesters are just giving out about the current plan without putting forward an alternative?

Nodin · 09-01-2016 01:04PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

The main spokesperson being reported the past few days is an Eirigi member.

"Damien Farrel, spokesman for the Save Moore Street group occupying the buildings, said the occupation would continue until clarification was given about the work under way at the site"
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/buildings-at-centre-of-moore-st-protest-not-historically-significant-1.2489475

Not in the Times.

Nodin · 09-01-2016 01:06PM

Phoebas wrote: »

I'm just looking to see the detail of the alternative plan, so I can evaluate the two.

Do you happen to have a link to it? Or are you saying that there is no alternative plan and the protesters are just giving out about the current plan without putting forward an alternative?

Post 21 contains a link to some TDs site with a rough outline.

Phoebas · 09-01-2016 01:08PM

Nodin wrote: »

"Damien Farrel, spokesman for the Save Moore Street group occupying the buildings, said the occupation would continue until clarification was given about the work under way at the site"
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/buildings-at-centre-of-moore-st-protest-not-historically-significant-1.2489475

Not in the Times.

Did RTE get their reporting wrong, or is he a member of both bodies?

RTE wrote:

A spokesperson for the protesters, Damien Farrell from the Éirigí party, said the occupation will continue until reassurances are given about the site.

For Forks Sake · 09-01-2016 01:14PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Did RTE get their reporting wrong, or is he a member of both bodies?

Also in the indo... http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/30-protesters-halt-restoration-works-at-1916-moore-street-centre-34346465.html

Damien Farrell, a spokesperson for the group and a member of the Eirigi party, explained that a number of issues including transparency and potential damage to protected structures were some of the reasons behind the protest.

Phoebas · 09-01-2016 01:15PM

Nodin wrote: »

Post 21 contains a link to some TDs site with a rough outline.

I looked at that any there's not really anything there that even gives an outline of an alternative plan.

Really if these people have been campaigning 'for years', I'd expect a fair bit of detail. They can't expect to be successful if all their efforts are being put into opposing one plan without presenting a credible alternative.

I might be wrong here. There may be some plan somewhere - I just haven't been able to find it.

Nodin · 09-01-2016 01:22PM

Phoebas wrote: »

I looked at that any there's not really anything there that even gives an outline of an alternative plan.

Really if these people have been campaigning 'for years', I'd expect a fair bit of detail. They can't expect to be successful if all their efforts are being put into opposing one plan without presenting a credible alternative.

I might be wrong here. There may be some plan somewhere - I just haven't been able to find it.

They have been. I've no idea what Eirigi have to do with it, and their presence really has no bearing on whether or not the governments treatment of the area is valid or not.

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