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Chris Gayle Controversy Was this Sexist?

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  • #62
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Thats just all a bit silly. Lol at all the whining about sjws/faminazis. Thats a tiresome boring broken record now to whinge about sjws feminazis.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #63
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    He saw a good looking woman he fancied and asked her out for a drink, big deal. This sh1t isn't new, most of us have done it. It has led to many a happy relationship in the past and will continue to do so into the future.

    It's hardly a reason to fine somebody for inappropriate behaviour.

    If any of us fancied a woman in work and asked her out, there's no way we'd be fined by our employers. Yes, if we kept harassing her, then we could be accused of inappropriate behaviour.

    The reaction is way over the top.

    I wonder would he have been fined if the reporter had said yes, that she'd love to go for a drink with him?


  • #64
    razorblunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    I'm struggling with the sexist angle on this to be honest.

    Unprofessional? Yes
    Poor timing? Yes
    Creepy? Yes, if the woman was uneasy going into it given his reputation. Gayle is known in the game for his playboy lifestyle.

    Interestingly I caught the tail end of a sports special on female reporters doing locker room interviews in American sports and the struggles they faced breaking down barriers.

    It's also a far cry from the guy Stanford being pictured with a plethora of ladies during a tournament he organised and was throwing cash at years ago. (Apologies for the Daily Mail link, its just a pic):

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/14/article-2159426-139CDED9000005DC-201_634x417.jpg


  • #65
    [Deleted User]
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    He saw a good looking woman he fancied and asked her out for a drink, big deal. This sh1t isn't new, most of us have done it. It has led to many a happy relationship in the past and will continue to do so into the future.

    During an interview?

    I think it's inappropriate. And that's why he got the reaction he did. Plenty of cricketers have had pretty robust and public love lifes, from the sordid like Boycott to some Indian superstar dating Bollywood beauty. But a proposition during a cricket interview? Can understand the reaction in the studio, but that said it's not a very big deal and it's dealt with now.


  • #66
    [Deleted User]
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    razorblunt wrote: »
    It's also a far cry from the guy Stanford being pictured with a plethora of ladies during a tournament he organised and was throwing cash at years ago. (Apologies for the Daily Mail link, its just a pic):

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/14/article-2159426-139CDED9000005DC-201_634x417.jpg

    No wonder he was laughing, it was other people's cash!


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  • #67
    Azalea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Azalea


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    He saw a good looking woman he fancied and asked her out for a drink, big deal. This sh1t isn't new, most of us have done it. It has led to many a happy relationship in the past and will continue to do so into the future.

    It's hardly a reason to fine somebody for inappropriate behaviour.

    If any of us fancied a woman in work and asked her out, there's no way we'd be fined by our employers. Yes, if we kept harassing her, then we could be accused of inappropriate behaviour.

    The reaction is way over the top.
    It is (in my opinion) but why are you pretending it's just a guy asking a girl out? He was in a professional capacity and she was working. It was cringey and stupid.


  • #68
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Azalea wrote: »
    It is (in my opinion) but why are you pretending it's just a guy asking a girl out? He was in a professional capacity and she was working. It was cringey and stupid.

    Yes, it was stupid. Me asking someone like Salma Hayek out, that would be stupid too. Worthy of a fine of ten grand, hardly. A little chat like "em, best not to ask people out live on air" would have sufficed. I think the reaction has been way over the top.

    Would the reaction have been the same if she had taken him up on his offer?


  • #69
    BattleCorp
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Did it help protect the reporter against depression (not sure why you're focusing on that) when she was pushed out of her comfort zone?

    Someone you don't fancy asks you out and you get depression??? :confused:


  • #70
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Someone you don't fancy asks you out and you get depression??? :confused:

    What?
    No.
    What?

    I was pointing out the poster's focus on Chris Gayle warding off depression, without considering the reporter's feelings on the matter.
    Unless he felt the situation was beneficial for her in warding off depression, and wasn't considering Chris Gayle, which I'd find equally weird.


  • #71
    fleet_admiral
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    Didnt Maria Sharapova chat him up him up a couple of years ago? Where is her 10 grand fine?


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  • #72
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    The guys an idiot, simple as that really. He should have let it go after the first attempt, so his club fining him $10k AUS (about €6k) is to him like putting a few pence in the swear jar. I don't think he takes it all that seriously tbh, but maybe a slap on the wrist like this might cool him off a small bit.


  • #73
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 24,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    fleet_admiral wrote: »
    Didnt Maria Sharapova chat him up him up a couple of years ago? Where is her 10 grand fine?

    You think Sharapova chatted Chris Gayle up? Did you read a headline and not bother with the story.

    Sharapova told a male journalist in a presser that he spoke with great self confidence, then asked him to repeat the question because she had forgotten it, she was admiring his form.

    You could argue it was inappropriate behaviour too, maybe it was.

    There's big differences though. That male journalist hasn't spent his career dealing with having his work belittled and his success chalked up to being an attractive man. She didn't proposition him and make him uncomfortable. I can guarantee you he didn't enter the press room feeling uncomfortable before he even asked a question because she had a reputation for being a sleeze bag. Context is everything.


  • #74
    Azalea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Azalea


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Yes, it was stupid. Me asking someone like Salma Hayek out, that would be stupid too. Worthy of a fine of ten grand, hardly. A little chat like "em, best not to ask people out live on air" would have sufficed. I think the reaction has been way over the top.

    Would the reaction have been the same if she had taken him up on his offer?
    Yeah I said it was over the top too (I don't agree with such a fine) but he was in a professional capacity, she was in a professional capacity - it wasn't just a guy asking a girl out. You asking Salma Hayek out wouldn't be comparable (unless you were both in a professional capacity).


  • #75
    BattleCorp
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    Azalea wrote: »
    Yeah I said it was over the top too (I don't agree with such a fine) but he was in a professional capacity, she was in a professional capacity - it wasn't just a guy asking a girl out. You asking Salma Hayek out wouldn't be comparable (unless you were both in a professional capacity).

    And if she said yes, the rest of the world would be saying "awwww, sweet".


  • #76
    the_syco
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    "He does this constantly... He has creepy behaviour and the way he did it to Mel was just that, and Mel knew it was going to happen,"
    So, dude with habit of asking out anyone with tits for a date, asks reporter for a date, and gets hit with a fine for it? Sounds like he's used to getting away with acting like a pig, but this time did it on live TV.


  • #77
    The King of Moo
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    And if she said yes, the rest of the world would be saying "awwww, sweet".

    I don't know, I think it'd still be pretty weird.
    If it were two people who already knew each other, like two awkward co-workers who've both secretly fancied each other but were too shy to say so until one plucked up the courage to ask the other out (live on TV for some reason), and the other said "yes," it might seem sweet.

    But this a creepy guy asking someone out they presumably don't really know in a creepy way.
    There probably wouldn't be much outrage about it as the reporter wouldn't be upset, but I think it'd look weird and people would wonder why she said "yes."


  • #78
    Dodge
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    Why are people angry about the fine? His Australian employers fined him over "inappropriate comments*", not "sexist remarks" as some here have tried to claim

    Is there seriously people out there that believe the comments weren't inappropriate?



    *source; http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/domestic-cricket/chris-gayle-faces-cricket-australia-sanctions-over-controversial-interview-with-channel-10s-mel-mclaughlin/story-fn5k3es5-1227697735884


  • #79
    Medusa22
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    It seems like this guy is a repeat offender and that's why he ended up with the fine (on its own, for this incident, it seems quite excessive). When I watched the video though, it seems harmless enough, he doesn't come across as sleazy to me, and it doesn't seem like he is serious about asking her out, more like he's having a joke. Still though, time and place, and it really wasn't appropriate for him to do it when they were both working and she clearly didn't know how to react. I think she may have taken it more lightheartedly if he didn't have such a reputation already.


  • #80
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Medusa22 wrote: »
    It seems like this guy is a repeat offender and that's why he ended up with the fine (on its own, for this incident, it seems quite excessive). When I watched the video though, it seems harmless enough, he doesn't come across as sleazy to me, and it doesn't seem like he is serious about asking her out, more like he's having a joke. Still though, time and place, and it really wasn't appropriate for him to do it when they were both working and she clearly didn't know how to react. I think she may have taken it more lightheartedly if he didn't have such a reputation already.

    Exactly. Journalists working in one sport for a long time get to know players and would know themselves who is a bit of a harmless joker and who is something else. The reaction from her own team "in studio" immediately after says a lot too. They were very quick to jump on Gayle, which again implies he's known for it and they could see he was making her uncomfortable.


  • #81
    suicide_circus
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    Silly move by a guy who seems to like to push his "player" credentials, which is pretty sad for a grown man.


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  • #82
    [Deleted User]
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    Dodge wrote: »
    Why are people angry about the fine? His Australian employers fined him over "inappropriate comments*", not "sexist remarks" as some here have tried to claim

    Is there seriously people out there that believe the comments weren't inappropriate?

    *source; http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/domestic-cricket/chris-gayle-faces-cricket-australia-sanctions-over-controversial-interview-with-channel-10s-mel-mclaughlin/story-fn5k3es5-1227697735884

    That's pretty much it.

    People are mad to jump on any story and shriek about third wave feminism and feminazis and men are victims and so on. The simple fact is that it doesn't need to be defined in terms of sexism, it's simply inappropriate for a cricket player to be talking about dates in a cricket interview, and his employers have told him as much.


  • #83
    Carlos Orange
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The simple fact is that it doesn't need to be defined in terms of sexism, it's simply inappropriate for a cricket player to be talking about dates in a cricket interview, and his employers have told him as much.

    It isn't that it doesn't need to be defined in terms of sexism it is that it isn't sexism. Unless you think that calling things sexist should be used as a tactic.


  • #84
    Beefy78
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Blowing it out of proportion how? It's part of a wider problem. You think it's one isolated incident despite being told he has a reputation for it?

    He kinda does have a reputation for it but it is a reputation that the cricketing system and the media have played up to. I was at a Sydney Thunder game in the Big Bash a couple of years ago and during a break between overs they would cut over on the big screen to Chris Gayle dancing in an overly familiar manner with the scantily-clad cheerleaders.

    Asking this reporter out on camera is awkward for all involved and a definite misjudgement. It isn't appropriate behaviour in the workplace. To be honest though it wasn't as bad as what I'd imagined had happened when I saw all the headlines last night. They play up to Gayle's reputation as a fun-loving ladies man, they surround him with good-looking women and then act outraged when he asks one out on camera.


  • #85
    [Deleted User]
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    psinno wrote: »
    It isn't that it doesn't need to be defined in terms of sexism it is that it isn't sexism. Unless you think that calling things sexist should be used as a tactic.

    :D:D

    I like the "unless you think". So determined are people to have a rant about third wave feminism that they will ascribe points to you that you never made to have a go at them!

    It's an employer employee issue. He behaved inappropriately. He was fined. If you want to have a go at those who talk about it in terms of sexism, email them or respond to their posts here.


  • #86
    Beefy78
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    Peter Anthony wrote: »
    The other day I heard men in American colleges are now being forced to get "consent" cards before they have sex with women in case they are accused of rape....:pac: Would be funny if it wasnt so pathetic.

    Yeah you should probably not rely on South Park for your news.


  • #87
    Carlos Orange
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    :D:D

    I like the "unless you think". So determined are people to have a rant about third wave feminism that they will ascribe points to you that you never made to have a go at them!

    Hardly my fault you can't just say it isn't sexist. Saying it isn't needed is basically the same as being open to calling non sexist things sexist if it is needed.


  • #88
    inforfun
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    He should have called Iker Casillas first on how to do it.

    No idea when he asked Sarah Carbonero out but it did work for him

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyeTigShJ7c


  • #89
    osarusan
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    inforfun wrote: »
    He should have called Iker Casillas first on how to do it.

    No idea when he asked Sarah Carbonero out but it did work for him
    That was World Cup 2010 - they'd been in a relationship together since 2009.


  • #90
    inforfun
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    osarusan wrote: »
    That was World Cup 2010 - they'd been in a relationship together since 2009.

    Yeah i know. But I suppose he did ask her out at 1 point. And clearly it worked for him.


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  • #91
    osarusan
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    inforfun wrote: »
    Yeah i know. But I suppose he did ask her out at 1 point. And clearly it worked for him.

    I don't really see your point, unless he originally asked her out live on air.


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