Is tipping now expected in Ireland?

The Backwards Man · 20-12-2015 01:06PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

excuse me
what are you saying.

what exactly are you dubs subsidising for us culties

I would genuinely like to know

Their taxes are spent in our counties, but ssshhhh, say nothing and smile and pretend to be stupid and take them for all they have.:)

kettlehead · 20-12-2015 01:07PM

warpdrive wrote: »

Funny how waiters just take the orders and then carry the orders from the kitchen to the tables and receive tips yet the chefs who prepare the good food these people are eating probably never get tipped. If you're going to tip anyone in Ireland, make it the chef.

Shared tipping is not the norm, but it works that bit better. Then even the hardest working person in a restaurant, the kitchen porter, gets a few bob.

For anyone starting off in a restaurant, here's a tip. When you get a lull after getting lashed out of it for a few hours and the front of house staff are taking it in turns to disappear for a quick break, hop beyond the dish pit for five so the KP can grab a smoke or a cup of tea too.

John_Rambo · 20-12-2015 01:18PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

excuse me
what are you saying.

what exactly are you dubs subsidising for us culties

I would genuinely like to know

You're excused! And yes. The cities in Ireland subsidise the rural parts. It's the same in most counties. Dublin supports the rest of the country. Most counties would die without Dublin money.

John_Rambo · 20-12-2015 01:19PM

jonon9 wrote: »

Nope not from Dublin.

I know! I was kidding. You refuse to tip and your not from Dublin!

the_pen_turner · 20-12-2015 01:31PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

You're excused! And yes. The cities in Ireland subsidise the rural parts. It's the same in most counties. Dublin supports the rest of the country. Most counties would die without Dublin money.

have you any articles on this.
I would like to see the break down between city money subsiding the country side versus the country side supplying everything cities nee like water, food, esb, etc

John_Rambo · 20-12-2015 01:39PM

the_pen_turner · 20-12-2015 02:00PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

anything more relevant . surely 9 year old is not the most up to date

rubadub · 20-12-2015 02:23PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

People do not get paid for having a degree. But for scarcity. Supply and demand.

There's no reason why a good waiter or waitress couldn't earn more than some office workers, why not if good?

What tipping pays for is service. It's paying for efficiency and friendliness. If somebody is really good at that why wouldn't they earn lots of money?

I would say the people with degrees other other experience are adding a lot of value to the business they work for, so it is worth paying them. They can command a high price.

If a waiter is so much more friendly than another that he brings in lots of custom then he might be worth paying money. But it can seem way out of line. Like guys I knew in college who worked a single day in bars in the US and it paid for their flights & accommodation, over $500 in a day, they were laughing at the stupidity of it. I cannot think of any level of friendliness or personal attention that would command that price, a prostitute would be lucky to get that!

I was asking another poster how to calculate it

rubadub wrote: »

So I would guess you object to fixed service charges? or would not just randomly pick a % to tip?

How do you work it out? I suppose you could presume they are at least on minimum wage, then factor in the time they spent serving you, then work out a reasonable wage you think they should be on for this job, then pay the difference between it and min wage.

I was making the point how ordering a 200euro bottle of champagne might end up costing 30euro to open it, if service is fixed.

I would like to see tipping banned, like it is for some people already, i.e. government officials in some places. If it was banned would the guys have been paid $500 for a days work in a pub, of course not, people would gladly work for far less and if not giving good service would be let go.

I was saying before some restaurants have banned tips, there are some good success stories about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pittsburgh-restaurant-no-tips_562677c6e4b02f6a900e03dc

http://time.com/money/4046887/restaurants-no-tipping-ban/

And for the 3rd or 4th time saying it, there is a federal law in the US so in most places the waiters are paid the regular minimum wage by their employer if their combined tips and low wage do not meet it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_States

the employee must earn at least the state’s minimum wage when tips and wages are combined or the employer is required to increase the wage to fulfill that threshold

Do any of the pro-tippers ever consider tipping workers not traditionally tipped, or pay extra towards other costs, like if the toilets were spotless would they leave a fiver with the manager for the cleaners, or if the heating or decorations were very good maybe a few more euro. Would they like to see other costs split out separately and based on a %, e.g. in a party of 6 or more there is a heating bill of 5% of the meal, so again if you got a 200euro bottle of champagne it would be and extra tenner for that heat. Of course if heating, cleaning, etc were split out just like service you would expect the meal price on paper to go down.

Samaris · 20-12-2015 03:59PM

Whitewinged wrote: »

I do, I'm not sure what it is but I was saying before on another thread that I think it's something where I tip if the service comes to me like the taxi driver collects or drops you at your door, takeaway or furniture delivery or whatever.

I tip in restaurants where there is a waiter or bar staff who come to your table but I'd never tip someone serving me at a counter.

I agree with that - if the service comes to me, I'll leave a tip. I don't tend to for coffee/a non-prepared lunch, but if the food/atmosphere/staff is particularly good, I'll put something into the tip jar at the counter.

John_Rambo · 20-12-2015 04:23PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

anything more relevant . surely 9 year old is not the most up to date

The economic dynamics of the country haven't changed that much! I'd imagine that the cities are subsidising rural areas even more now.

Actually, here you go, from 2014, you asked for a report!

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/dubliners-get-up-to-50-times-less-funding-than-rural-dwellers-1.1730130

Dubliners are subsidising their country counterparts in the funding of local services by up to 50 times, an analysis by Dublin City Council shows.

Dublin city has been allocated €5.06 per person through the Local Government Fund for this year, compared to €260.47 per person in Leitrim, according to figures compiled by the city council’s finance department.

The disparity is replicated nationally, with urban areas receiving far less funding than rural councils, but Dublin local authorities receiving least. The fund is the main source of money allocated by the Government to local authorities and is largely made up of Local Property Tax (LPT) payments from householders.

DexysGrl · 20-12-2015 05:10PM

Restaurants: about €5-10 in good restaurants. €2 in the likes of Eddie Rockets and such. I've only once not tipped in a restaurant and that was because the food took 45 minutes to arrive at the table and it wasn't during a peak busy time either.

Taxi: Only if he/she takes the most direct route and his/her fare is reasonable. If a driver starts taking the longest route, I'll usually tell him to go the way I want him to go. If he doesn't listen I usually tell him to pull over, pay him whatever I owe him on the meter and get out of the taxi and hailo another taxi. I don't put up with any bollix from taxi drivers.

Takeaway delivery: €2 at a time.

Hairdresser: I used to tip €5 but last time I went I didn't tip them at all. My hair normally used to cost €85 to get a full head of highlights done but they recently put their prices up and charged me €100 the week before Christmas which I thought was very greedy so I didn't tip them at all.

I don't tip anywhere else.

MilesMorales1 · 20-12-2015 06:04PM

Sure not too long ago I was taking a taxi from Dublin airport to Malahide village (which is a pretty straight forward route), and the driver took the ****ing piss, drove down to airside, then back up towards the airport, slipping off towards portmarnock, before finally going back and taking the normal route towards Malahide, like the route the 102 bus takes. Fare was much higher than it should have been thusly, and then he expected a tip. Bloody bollix.

rubadub · 20-12-2015 06:09PM

DexysGrl wrote: »

Taxi: Only if he/she takes the most direct route and his/her fare is reasonable. If a driver starts taking the longest route, I'll usually tell him to go the way I want him to go. If he doesn't listen I usually tell him to pull over, pay him whatever I owe him on the meter and get out of the taxi and hailo another taxi. I don't put up with any bollix from taxi drivers.

This might end up costing you more, as you have to pay the pickup/standard fees again. You should put in a complaint to hailo if this happens. My friend had additional charges put on and reported a driver and got credit from hailo, more credit than he paid the driver. They might give credit for general complaints too.

Eugene Norman · 20-12-2015 06:18PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I've worked in many service industries over the years, and the best tippers are the Scots, Northern English and the northern half of Ireland. Dubliners would always be way down the list when it comes to tipping, but way up the list when it comes to a false sense of self importance.

I can do provocative arbitrary anecdotes good too.

However there are people on here who don't tip and say that they don't know anybody who does. It's legitimate to ask where they come from for I have the opposite experience.

John_Rambo · 20-12-2015 06:21PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

However there are people on here who don't tip and say that they don't know anybody who does. It's legitimate to ask where they come from for I have the opposite experience.

He's spoofing in reaction to my post where I said city people are more likely to tip. :rolleyes::pac:

Eugene Norman · 20-12-2015 06:22PM

rubadub wrote: »

I would say the people with degrees other other experience are adding a lot of value to the business they work for, so it is worth paying them. They can command a high price.

If a waiter is so much more friendly than another that he brings in lots of custom then he might be worth paying money. But it can seem way out of line. Like guys I knew in college who worked a single day in bars in the US and it paid for their flights & accommodation, over $500 in a day, they were laughing at the stupidity of it. I cannot think of any level of friendliness or personal attention that would command that price, a prostitute would be lucky to get that!

I was asking another poster how to calculate it

I was making the point how ordering a 200euro bottle of champagne might end up costing 30euro to open it, if service is fixed.

I would like to see tipping banned, like it is for some people already, i.e. government officials in some places. If it was banned would the guys have been paid $500 for a days work in a pub, of course not, people would gladly work for far less and if not giving good service would be let go.

I was saying before some restaurants have banned tips, there are some good success stories about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pittsburgh-restaurant-no-tips_562677c6e4b02f6a900e03dc

http://time.com/money/4046887/restaurants-no-tipping-ban/

And for the 3rd or 4th time saying it, there is a federal law in the US so in most places the waiters are paid the regular minimum wage by their employer if their combined tips and low wage do not meet it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_States

Do any of the pro-tippers ever consider tipping workers not traditionally tipped, or pay extra towards other costs, like if the toilets were spotless would they leave a fiver with the manager for the cleaners, or if the heating or decorations were very good maybe a few more euro. Would they like to see other costs split out separately and based on a %, e.g. in a party of 6 or more there is a heating bill of 5% of the meal, so again if you got a 200euro bottle of champagne it would be and extra tenner for that heat. Of course if heating, cleaning, etc were split out just like service you would expect the meal price on paper to go down.

That's a lot of verbosity to hide your meanness.

It might be that some US wait staff have to be subsidised but then they wouldn't be any good. Yes, good waiters and bar men attract clients. In fact I think all these industries should have some kind of tipping because tipping is a form of profit sharing.

In any case it works in the US. Hiring staff is cheap for the employer (in fact it just pays their travel at the lowest level) and if the staff do a good job, they get that part of the revenue earned in tips. To my mind that's making the wait staff co-participants in the revenue stream. It can be a bit cut throat maybe but it works.

Eugene Norman · 20-12-2015 06:24PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

He's spoofing in reaction to my post where I said city people are more likely to tip. :rolleyes::pac:

I knows he's post was a joke but his point wasn't. He was basically saying he could generalise about anywhere in the country being mean with tips but as you pointed out it seems to be a country thing, and then only part of it.

SAMTALK · 21-12-2015 12:22PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

If you don't tip in a restaurant after a really good time, you're tight. But it's ok, you're scabby, that's the way you are!

This is ridiculous. Anyone that doesnt agree with tipping waiting staff is scabby??
I dont think its being scabby . I actually dont see how you have to tip a waiter/waitress for doing their job. I want a service/product or whatever. There is a price given and I pay it. If an item on the menu is 20 euro and I give them 15 euro I wouldnt imagine Id get away with it. So an item is priced on the menu at 20 I give them 20, Simple really,
If you have someone employed its your job to pay them not mine.
I can think of other jobs that are more difficult and would warrant a tip more than waiter/waitress

John_Rambo · 21-12-2015 02:44PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

This is ridiculous.
Anyone that doesnt agree with tipping waiting staff is scabby??
I dont think its being scabby .
I actually dont see how you have to tip a waiter/waitress for doing their job.
I want a service/product or whatever. There is a price given and I pay it.
If an item on the menu is 20 euro and I give them 15 euro I wouldnt imagine Id get away with it.
So an item is priced on the menu at 20 I give them 20, Simple really,
If you have someone employed its your job to pay them not mine.
I can think of other jobs that are more difficult and would warrant a tip more than waiter/waitress

There’s a lot of excuses, comparisons and protests there SAMTALK.

I think you’re a little bit scabby not leaving even a small gratuity to be honest.

SAMTALK · 21-12-2015 02:56PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

There’s a lot of excuses, comparisons and protests there SAMTALK.

I think you’re a little bit scabby not leaving even a small gratuity to be honest.

I am far from scabby actually!
It annoys me that when people have a view on not tipping its seen as scabby.
Its not about meaness , as I keep stating , they get paid to do a job the same as I do.
Its got to the stage that even at self service places there is a tip jar.
A tip for what?????
I work hard for my wages and sometimes I help out clients beyond my job description and not for one minute would I expect a tip

rubadub · 21-12-2015 03:11PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

That's a lot of verbosity to hide your meanness.

Which bit(s) do you think sounded mean? I do tip by the way, I would like to see it banned though, it readily enables tax evasion too. If I was that mean/scabby or whatever other offensive word you want to call me then I would not be spending money in these places in the first place.

I want to know all costs upfront, I know prices would go up more if tipping was banned. I would hate to be in a job reliant on tips, but in saying that I realise many have no problem as they know they are likely to end up with more money than their labour is worth. All people I know of who worked in traditionally tipped jobs said they did very well from it.

I also think ticketmaster should be legally obliged to show clearer pricing, they include this little line "included booking fee" which tricks many non-regular users into thinking it means the service charge is included.

Eugene Norman wrote: »

It might be that some US wait staff have to be subsidised but then they wouldn't be any good.

Or maybe they got a string of tourists from a region who think tipping is offensive. Maybe they got zero customers at all that day, through no fault of their own.

JupiterKid · 21-12-2015 03:31PM

I would tip the barber and waiter in a restaurant for good service - and maybe the guy who delivers take out to my door.

John_Rambo · 22-12-2015 09:36AM

SAMTALK wrote: »

I am far from scabby actually!
It annoys me that when people have a view on not tipping its seen as scabby.
Its not about meaness , as I keep stating , they get paid to do a job the same as I do.
Its got to the stage that even at self service places there is a tip jar.
A tip for what?????
I work hard for my wages and sometimes I help out clients beyond my job description and not for one minute would I expect a tip

Very few people don't work hard for their wages now SAMTALK! I still wouldn't begrudge a waiter/waitress a small tip after good service. It's made round to go round! Spread a bit of cheer, good karma etc...

SAMTALK · 22-12-2015 09:54AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Very few people don't work hard for their wages now SAMTALK! I still wouldn't begrudge a waiter/waitress a small tip after good service. It's made round to go round! Spread a bit of cheer, good karma etc...

ok Rambo!! We'll have to agree to disagree (being Christmas and all that)
Spread a bit of cheer and good karma by being nice to people (doesnt mean monetary). Smile, say please and thank you.

We might take up this discussion again in the New Year. Im feeling too happy today to argue with you

Have a lovely Christmas

jonon9 · 22-12-2015 10:12AM

So it's scabby not to leave a tip now, iv never heard such nonsense.

Been a waiter or delivery driver or whatever it's a job a job that you get paid. Iv a job I get paid, do I look for a tip no I do not so why the hell should I pay a person extra who's already getting a wage. Now if you want to leave a tip fair enough but don't be calling people scabby and tight you just sound like a Cnut to be honest.

John_Rambo · 22-12-2015 10:39AM

jonon9 wrote: »

So it's scabby not to leave a tip now, iv never heard such nonsense.

Been a waiter or delivery driver or whatever it's a job a job that you get paid. Iv a job I get paid, do I look for a tip no I do not so why the hell should I pay a person extra who's already getting a wage. Now if you want to leave a tip fair enough but don't be calling people scabby and tight you just sound like a Cnut to be honest.

Stay classy Jonon. I'd say you're a charm to serve in a restaurant.

SAMTALK wrote: »

ok Rambo!! We'll have to agree to disagree (being Christmas and all that)
Spread a bit of cheer and good karma by being nice to people (doesnt mean monetary). Smile, say please and thank you.
We might take up this discussion again in the New Year. Im feeling too happy today to argue with you
Have a lovely Christmas

That goes without saying SAMTALK! Have a good xmas.

jonon9 · 22-12-2015 11:00AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Stay classy Jonon. I'd say you're a charm to serve in a restaurant.

Keep grabbing at straws there that's all you seem good at.

SAMTALK · 22-12-2015 11:05AM

jonon9 wrote: »

John_Rambo wrote: »

Stay classy Jonon. I'd say you're a charm to serve in a restaurant.

Keep grabbing at straws there that's all you seem good at.

BOYS... Play nice please :mad:

John_Rambo · 22-12-2015 11:10AM

jonon9 wrote: »

Keep grabbing at straws there that's all you seem good at.

What do you mean? Tipping is the norm, I tip… you refuse to and you’re calling me a cnut?

jonon9 · 22-12-2015 11:15AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

What do you mean? Tipping is the norm, I tip… you refuse to and you’re calling me a cnut?

Don't drop your straws now. Merry Christmas.

Is tipping now expected in Ireland?

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