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Marriage to be banned for under 18s

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  • #32
    star_spotter
    Site Banned Posts: 18 ✭star_spotter


    Tim Reilly wrote: »
    Joan Burton has announced that marriage is to be banned for under 18s, Celebrity traveller Kelly McDonagh Mongan has described the move as s disgusting attack on the human rights of the traveling community.

    exceptions will likely be made on ethnic grounds , aidaoin o riordain will insist on it


  • #33
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    haveringchick wrote: »
    There was a pregnant 17 year old married here two weeks ago in old fashioned shot gun style
    The grandfather of the bride literally dragged the reluctant groom (19) out of the pub and across the street to the church with dire threats of violence
    The whole thing was an absolute disgrace
    I've not much sympathy for the groom though
    At 19 he's already been to prison and is the father of a 5 month old to another teenager

    Yeah right.

    You have to give three months notice

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #34
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Yeah right.

    You have to give three months notice

    Used to be 3 months but not any more. Think it's 24 hours now but not sure.


  • #35
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Used to be 3 months but not any more. Think it's 24 hours now but not sure.

    Still 3 months


  • #36
    whatismyname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Used to be 3 months but not any more. Think it's 24 hours now but not sure.

    From http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/getting_married/registration_of_marriage.html

    Since November 2007, a couple getting married are required to give notification in person of their intention to marry to a Registrar at least 3 months before the intended date of their marriage.


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  • #37
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    whatismyname wrote: »
    From http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/getting_married/registration_of_marriage.html

    Ok fair enough, I thought I'd read somewhere that it had changed and also I remember with the couple last month who were hoping to be the first same sex marriage couple that they that had to give 24 hours notice but hadn't but maybe I misunderstood it.

    Either way the story above about the quick Las Vegas style gunshot wedding smells of complete BS anyway.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Just had a quick browse on wikipedia and this will make Ireland one of the strictest countries in europe then, as it looks like the vast majority of other countries allow 16/17 with either parental consent or a court order, same in the US too


  • #39
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Yeah right.

    You have to give three months notice

    Yes they gave 3 months notice. What made you think they didn't?


  • #40
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Ok fair enough, I thought I'd read somewhere that it had changed and also I remember with the couple last month who were hoping to be the first same sex marriage couple that they that had to give 24 hours notice but hadn't but maybe I misunderstood it.

    Either way the story above about the quick Las Vegas style gunshot wedding smells of complete BS anyway.

    I don't know why you think that things have changed in certain ethnic groups in this country. They haven't at all.
    This is a case of a Girl from the Traveller family with serious intellectual issues and social issues in her background, becoming "romantically " involved with a boy from the settled community with similar social issues
    That boy shouldn't have "gone" there
    But he did
    He's paying the price now


  • #41
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    DivingDuck wrote: »
    A very positive move. Sixteen year olds have no business entering into lifelong legal and social contracts.

    This is not an attack on the rights of travellers, it is a badly-needed form of protection for all young people in this country.

    You can't legally apply for a loan at 16 years of age so you sure as hell shouldn't be able to sign a contract of marriage,

    The vast majority of 16 year olds don't know their head from the arse when it comes to long term life long stuff like marriage,


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  • #42
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    You can't legally apply for a loan at 16 years of age so you sure as hell shouldn't be able to sign a contract of marriage,

    The vast majority of 16 year olds don't know their head from the arse when it comes to long term life long stuff like marriage,
    Well they can just get a divorce like anyone else :D


  • #43
    keano_afc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,713 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    So much for equality. Anyone got Panti's number?


  • #44
    Diamond Doll
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    Ok fair enough, I thought I'd read somewhere that it had changed and also I remember with the couple last month who were hoping to be the first same sex marriage couple that they that had to give 24 hours notice but hadn't but maybe I misunderstood it.

    I think that was because they already had a civil partnership.


  • #45
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    Diamond Doll wrote: »
    I think that was because they already had a civil partnership.

    That's right. I couldn't understand how that couple thought they could just turn up and expect the registrar to just fit them in like that.


  • #46
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    haveringchick wrote: »
    I don't know why you think that things have changed in certain ethnic groups in this country. They haven't at all.
    This is a case of a Girl from the Traveller family with serious intellectual issues and social issues in her background, becoming "romantically " involved with a boy from the settled community with similar social issues
    That boy shouldn't have "gone" there
    But he did
    He's paying the price now
    What happened?


  • #47
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    bigpink wrote: »
    What happened?

    Well he's 19 and he's married to a teenager he met earlier this year who,apart from being borderline special needs, says that the baby she's expecting is his
    And her family, some of whom would happily do good time for his murder, are watching him like hawks
    So it's not such a happy Crimbo for him.
    Then, he's never known any other life other than chaos and strife, so maybe it's my perception from my highly regularised circumstances that's skewed


  • #48
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    haveringchick wrote: »
    That's right. I couldn't understand how that couple thought they could just turn up and expect the registrar to just fit them in like that.

    what?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #49
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    wp_rathead wrote: »
    The travelers won't like this! Oi Oi

    They are

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/pavee-point-supports-banning-of-underage-marriage-1.2467777

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #50
    RobertKK
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    Could they get married in the church, then register the marriage with the state when 18?


  • #51
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Could they get married in the church, then register the marriage with the state when 18?

    Why would the Church allow that?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #52
    intheclouds
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Why would the Church allow that?

    The Church has facilitated this for travellers for years. They view the religious bit as the important one so if a priest marries two teenagers they view it as a proper marriage. The civil bit is only paperwork to be done when all parties are old enough.

    There was a particular priest notorious for it, must look for link.

    As for whats in for the church, more souls dontcha know!


  • #53
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    what?

    Other couples who wanted to marry after having previously entered into a civil partnership seemed to be aware that 24 hours notice would be needed to get married
    Anything else wouldn't make sense
    Or at least not to me

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/legal-hitch-prevents-marriage-of-same-sex-couple-1.2433342


  • #54
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    haveringchick wrote: »
    I don't know why you think that things have changed in certain ethnic groups in this country. They haven't at all.
    This is a case of a Girl from the Traveller family with serious intellectual issues and social issues in her background, becoming "romantically " involved with a boy from the settled community with similar social issues
    That boy shouldn't have "gone" there
    But he did
    He's paying the price now

    You're saying they gave three month's notice, did a pre-marriage course with the church and they still had to drag the groom out of the pub under threat of violence over to a church to get married.
    Sounds totally ridiculous in my opinion.


  • #55
    melissak
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    Couldn't travellers have something like a betrothal ceremony that was accepTed by their community as binding like marriage and then have marriage when 18.
    I understand that travellers are more traditional than most about pre marital sex. They might see young marriage protecting them from single parenthood. personally I don't see why The age of consent should be higher for marriage that for sex. Old enough to be a mother or father but not a wife or husband.? We have divorce in this country so it isn't a legally binding till death do we part contract anymore..


  • #56
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    murpho999 wrote: »
    You're saying they gave three month's notice, did a pre-marriage course with the church and they still had to drag the groom out of the pub under threat of violence over to a church to get married.
    Sounds totally ridiculous in my opinion.

    Exactly. Sounds like it was made up.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #57
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    murpho999 wrote: »
    You're saying they gave three month's notice, did a pre-marriage course with the church and they still had to drag the groom out of the pub under threat of violence over to a church to get married.
    Sounds totally ridiculous in my opinion.

    Yes it's totally ridiculous
    He's s country bumpkin gangster kid of 19 years
    Big hard man breaking into old people's houses when they're r gone to evening mass
    He'd already impregnated another girl (being a stud ya know) when he met this settled Traveller girl who was completely vulnerable, having had absolutely zero moral guidance her whole life
    However when her extended family discovered that she was also pregnant, the double standards and hypocrisy was breathtaking
    He was informed in no uncertain terms what his immediate future would be and that any resistance would be futile and was result in serious consequences for his physical health
    On the day of the wedding, while having the requisite 2 dozen cans of Stella in the pub, he told his mates that he just couldn't go through with it
    Dutch lack of courage, if you will
    Word reached the grandfather of the bride that the victim, sorry, groom was resisting his fate
    Into the pub comes grandad, quiet word in his pierced ear, followed by a quick goose step across the road where the magic pumpkin carriage was doing one more lap of the town


  • #58
    Bongalongherb
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    Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »
    Joan Burton seems like one of those concerned citizen type people who just wants to get in the way of everyone's fun

    We'll be all forced as mandatory soon to only have a double bed in your home so that Joan can come over any-time she wants to sleep in it without your approval.

    All I see is bananas everywhere I look. There's 6 on the kitchen table and banana skins on the road and a banana republic of a country, sick of this bananas.


  • #59
    darkpagandeath
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    A year makes one competent ?


  • #60
    wp_rathead
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    They are

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/pavee-point-supports-banning-of-underage-marriage-1.2467777

    Ya sorry that was housemate who wrote that


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