People who are anti-Vegans

Galway K9 · 14-12-2015 10:51AM

DOJ wrote: »

I think of vegan-ism like religion

I dont push my views/choices on anyone else and dont expect people to push their views/choices on me

I have a few friends who are vegan but only because they told me when i was going to cook for them.

My vegan friends know that i hunt/shoot and eat meat but have no problem with it as i dont force them to eat meat and they dont insist i not eat meat.

I do have to laugh at vegetarians who eat fish (especially from fish farms) or have parmesan cheese on their pasta as its made from animal by products

You're not a vegetarian if you eat fish. Its meat!

That's a piscatarian where the only meat they'll eat is Fish.

Log9 · 14-12-2015 10:52AM

I know a few vegans and they don't go on about it. It'll come up though if they're ordering food though because it's going to limit the menu a bit.

Lecturing someone else about what they're eating is just arrogant and usually fairly ignorant.

Eat and let eat!

Ficheall · 14-12-2015 10:53AM

I generally find that anyone who just announces themselves as a follower of some sort of ideology, especially if it's not related to the topic under discussion, is an asshole.
"I'm an atheist" = asshole
"I'm a feminist" = asshole
"I'm a socialist" = asshole

"I'm a vegan" is a positively useful piece of info by comparison.

People can feel however they wish, so long as they don't feel obliged to tell me about it..

Hrududu · 14-12-2015 10:54AM

VinLieger wrote: »

I have never seen a Bord Bia add specifically urging people to eat meat, they might be ads that encourage eating healthily that include eating meat as one factor of this?

Maybe my wording was off, but stuff like this:

http://thecircular.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Ham-Bacon-ad.jpg

VinLieger · 14-12-2015 10:56AM

Shenshen wrote: »

Wow, that's quite a number.
I'm actively involved in a vegetarian/vegan group, and out of the 20 of us there are only 4 vegans. You must have a very interesting social circle to be meeting that many.

Most of them I have met through work not necessarily part of my social circle but I would interact with regularly

Zirconia · 14-12-2015 10:58AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

In my experience, a vegan will more often than not broadcast the fact. That's not to say they all aggressively promote the lifestyle, its usually the people who have been vegan for about the last ten minutes who are most vocal and righteous.

I have to say I disagree, I am vegan, and I would assume my attitude and behavior is the same as probably closer to the majority of vegans in that its a personal choice that I don't draw any attention to if I can manage it. I was working with my current team for over two years, having gone out for meals maybe a dozen times with them before someone noticed I was discreetly ordering different food to them, and then everyone knew. I certainly don't go around pushing an agenda, and I believe the majority don't either.

So, to mix up a metaphor slightly, your experience with vegans or vegetarians is probably the loud tip of a very large, but quiet iceberg. You probably know or encounter many vegans and vegetarians every day and never know their choice in diet at all.

MRnotlob606 · 14-12-2015 11:01AM

Ficheall wrote: »

I generally find that anyone who just announces themselves as a follower of some sort of ideology, especially if it's not related to the topic under discussion, is an asshole.
"I'm an atheist" = asshole
"I'm a feminist" = asshole
"I'm a socialist" = asshole
"I'm a gaeilgeoir" = assh

"I'm a vegan" is a positively

"I'm a Fine Gael supporter"

imitation · 14-12-2015 11:02AM

Log9 wrote: »

Some people are just weirdos who like being annoyed by everyone.

I had a guy go off on a rant at me because I don't eat wheat. It's not a choice, I'm coeliac.

He spent a good 5 minutes going on and on about "metrosexual, hipsters who won't eat wheat, vegans or are off carbs"

I also got called into a HR meeting once (same guy) because I wouldn't eat sandwiches at a sales meeting, didn't participate in a "pizza party" and had "insulted" the other company and wasn't being a "team player".

Some people are just ignorant ****s

That wasn't even a job I particularly wanted but talk about making a medical condition into a major issue it absolutely shouldn't be. Seemingly eating biscuits, sandwiches and pizza was part of the job ...

Only solution is to go to the computer, google coeliac in front of them and point the fact there w**nky pizza party could kill you.

Galway K9 · 14-12-2015 11:07AM

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

"I'm a Fine Gael supporter"

asshole

Log9 · 14-12-2015 11:08AM

imitation wrote: »

Only solution is to go to the computer, google coeliac in front of them and point the fact there w**nky pizza party could kill you.

It was only a paying the bills while doing a masters kind of job. I quit and wasn't particularly facilitating about long notice or handover. Karma sandwiches!

seamus · 14-12-2015 11:08AM

I've never once met a vegan who talked about it unprompted. Ever.

And I know a lot of vegans and vegetarians, easily 100+ people.

As others have said, the volume of "funny" people who make jokes about it and the number of ads pushing meat-eating on vegans/vegetarians easily outnumbers them 1000:1.

Vojera · 14-12-2015 11:09AM

I dunno, is this whole "vegan in your face" thing not one of those internet things, like those fantastically over the top SJWs who belittle others for not recognising the fact that they identify as dragon-kin? They exist online but not in real life?

I only know one vegan. She's not especially vocal about it but I don't like when she mentions it. The reason is that I feel incredibly guilty about all the animal products I use but I would find it pretty impossible to go vegan. So her success makes me feel bad about myself.

Log9 · 14-12-2015 11:10AM

Galway K9 wrote: »

asshole

There's worse: "I just love Fianna Fáil. If they were back in, the economy would be great!"

yes, that was really said to me --- on a very short and awkward Tinder date.

"Oh jaysus I left something on the cooker at home. Nice meeting you"

MRnotlob606 · 14-12-2015 11:12AM

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MRnotlob606 · 14-12-2015 11:14AM

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robbiezero · 14-12-2015 11:17AM

DareGod wrote: »

I originally posted this in the Trivial Things That Annoy You thread but I ended up having so much more to say about it than I thought and decided I'd be interested in hearing a discussion about it.

There's this guy I know who is very clearly anti-Vegans. He makes it clear that he believes that all vegans are know-it-alls who spend their time announcing their veganism to the world as well as constantly telling everyone else how they should live. It really pisses me off that he expresses this opinion of his so much, for the following reasons:

(1) The vast majority of vegans do NOT go around announcing they are vegan, NOR do they go around talking about it. He is clearly only hearing from the minority that do, and he has concluded that that is how everybody who is vegan acts. So ignorant.

(2) He doesn't seem to realise that being vegan very often goes hand in hand with believing that animals are being abused, and the will to stop this. And, as with any campaign, it's necessary to speak up about it regularly. How else are people meant to campaign for what they believe in? By keeping quiet? And by the way, in my humble opinion, animal abuse is quite the worthy cause. It's not like it's a campaign for the rights of rich people to be given more tax breaks. It seems quite terrible to moan about people who campaign for an end to animal abuse.

(3) Since he has such a vendetta against vegans, that means it has hit a nerve with him. So I think his insistence and persistence are coming from a place of guilt.

And I'm not even vegan. I just wouldn't have the absolute cheek to complain about people who are making sacrifices in the name of stopping animal abuse while I chomp away on my cooked dead cow.

And to anyone who is under any illusions here, animals are treated terribly in the name of meat, dairy and other animal-derived products. People can try to re-write the truth anyway they want but it's a fact that is not up for debate. Continue to consume those products all you want (I consume them myself) but what pisses me off is people who constantly try to fight against those who are campaigning for an end to animal abuse.

Are dairy animals really treated all that badly at least in this country? Always seem quite content to me.

kneemos · 14-12-2015 11:22AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Are dairy animals really treated all that badly at least in this country? Always seem quite content to me.

Cattle and sheep have the life of Riley,they could eat those with a clear conscience. Also free range eggs and by-products such as fish oil and pigs trotters .

haminka · 14-12-2015 11:26AM

CaptainInsano wrote: »

As meat eater I've definitely engaged in that sort of logic in the past and it was absolutely coming from a place of guilt and ignorance and trying to justify my actions. As I've matured I realise it is undoubtedly immoral to eat meat on the industrial scale we do, and consume dairy. The recent footage of bobby calves in New Zealand really upset me. Consuming meat is a flaw in my character that I'm hoping to fix in the coming months and I do wish I wasn't so weak willed, but delegating my dirty work to slaughterhouse workers so I don't have to think about it is a weak ass way to live and once your conscious of that there's no excuse not to change.

Edit: I'd recommend researching what Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have to say about it. They both eat meat, or at least did when the clips I saw were filmed, but they openly admit that vegans are morally superior to them in that regard. Interesting debates on the topic.

I think it's that feeling of moral superiority that many vegans don't hesitate to show that alienates people so much. Not out of any guilt, at least not for me. I once asked a vegan to compare the food mileage of our respective lunches. My chicken soup, with all ingredients sourced in Ireland and his cashew something mix with quinoa. I didn't feel superior to him in any way but I was left in peace afterwards.

14-12-2015 11:36AM

DareGod wrote: »

And to anyone who is under any illusions here, animals are treated terribly in the name of meat, dairy and other animal-derived products. People can try to re-write the truth anyway they want but it's a fact that is not up for debate.

It is very much up for debate as your statement is not correct or even close to it. There is questionable treatment of animals in parts of the world, some places which should no better too like Oz/new Zealand and the US for instance but its as much a failing of the authorities as anything for allowing standards to be set low and people demanding cheaper and cheaper meat is driving it also.

However in Europe and in Ireland in particular animals are treated exceptionally well both dairy heards, beef heards and sheep. We farm and are surrounded by other farms and the animals are treated like kings and looked after in every way they need there is no mistreatment or cruelty whatsoever or even close to it. Poultry is in some instances intensively farmed here and the chickens may not have the best lives but they are not mistreated either and have to follow strict codes of practice. There are also free range farms for eggs, chicken etc so its up to people to spend the extra money required to buy these in order to get more people farming in this way.

MilesMorales1 · 14-12-2015 11:43AM

Sounds like vegan talk to me OP.

Potatoeman · 14-12-2015 11:47AM

Mink are on the endangered species list thanks to the antifur campaign. Humans don't tolerate other species that don't fill a purpose.

Shenshen · 14-12-2015 11:59AM

Potatoeman wrote: »

Mink are on the endangered species list thanks to the antifur campaign. Humans don't tolerate other species that don't fill a purpose.

The internet disagrees with you there. The European mink is indeed critically endangered, and has been for the last 100 years or so. The reasons range from having been hunted for its fur, to the introduction of rival predators to their environments to change in food supply and habitat.

However, the European mink has never been used for fur farming. That was (and still is, actually) pretty much exclusively its cousin, the American mink. And the American mink is not endangered in the wild, either. Its conservation status is currently "Least Concern" with a stable population.

NachoBusiness · 14-12-2015 12:14PM

There was a restaurant in Dublin recently slagging off vegetarians. Can't remember which.

Edit: Remember now, it was Pitt Bro BBQ Project on Sth George's St and was more Tofu they were slagging (but the sneer was obviously aimed at vegans/vegetarians):

https://twitter.com/MrNachoBusiness/status/676362539052220416

turnikett1 · 14-12-2015 12:33PM

Sylas Round Seascape wrote: »

It is very much up for debate as your statement is not correct or even close to it. There is questionable treatment of animals in parts of the world, some places which should no better too like Oz/new Zealand and the US for instance but its as much a failing of the authorities as anything for allowing standards to be set low and people demanding cheaper and cheaper meat is driving it also.

However in Europe and in Ireland in particular animals are treated exceptionally well both dairy heards, beef heards and sheep. We farm and are surrounded by other farms and the animals are treated like kings and looked after in every way they need there is no mistreatment or cruelty whatsoever or even close to it. Poultry is in some instances intensively farmed here and the chickens may not have the best lives but they are not mistreated either and have to follow strict codes of practice. There are also free range farms for eggs, chicken etc so its up to people to spend the extra money required to buy these in order to get more people farming in this way.

Do you have proof for any of this? I'm not exactly doubting you, it's just I've read articles stating the contrary, that the whole idea that dairy animals are for some inexplicable reason better treated in Ireland (and Europe) is a whole load of lies. Might not be as gruesome as the States, but it's still a life of torture for dairy animals, many of which are killed off if they're deemed "unfit".

14-12-2015 12:48PM

turnikett1 wrote: »

Do you have proof for any of this? I'm not exactly doubting you, it's just I've read articles stating the contrary, that the whole idea that dairy animals are for some inexplicable reason better treated in Ireland (and Europe) is a whole load of lies. Might not be as gruesome as the States, but it's still a life of torture for dairy animals,

The most clear evidence I have is I see with my own two eyes that they are treated extremely well, fed well, looked after etc. They are milked twice a day which lasts a couple of minutes and spend the rest of their time either grazing in fields or in a shed out of the elements. They will also spend a number of months of the year where they are not being milked at all.

turnikett1 wrote: »

many of which are killed off if they're deemed "unfit".

I don't see the issue here, if we have a cow that cant get into calf why would she be kept, its very expensive to keep a cow so if she isn't producing calves to sell then she is costing money and making none. Similarly in dairy if milk yield is not sufficient etc from a cow they will be culled from the heard. This does not mean they are mistreated in anyway and they will be slaughtered humanely like any other animal going for slaughter.

Zombienosh · 14-12-2015 12:49PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

There was a restaurant in Dublin recently slagging off vegetarians.

Edit: Remember now, it was Pitt Bro BBQ Project on Sth George's St and was more Tofu they were slagging (but the sneer was obviously aimed at vegans/vegetarians):

https://twitter.com/MrNachoBusiness/status/676362539052220416

Seems it's pretty trendy to slag vegans at the moment.

turnikett1 · 14-12-2015 01:03PM

Sylas Round Seascape wrote: »

The most clear evidence I have is I see with my own two eyes that they are treated extremely well, fed well, looked after etc. They are milked twice a day which lasts a couple of minutes and spend the rest of their time either grazing in fields or in a shed out of the elements. They will also spend a number of months of the year where they are not being milked at all.

Your own dairy cows might be treated fairly, but that still doesn't answer how "ethical" dairy factories fare in all of Ireland and in Europe.

Sylas Round Seascape wrote: »

I don't see the issue here, if we have a cow that cant get into calf why would she be kept, its very expensive to keep a cow so if she isn't producing calves to sell then she is costing money and making none. Similarly in dairy if milk yield is not sufficient etc from a cow they will be culled from the heard. This does not mean they are mistreated in anyway and they will be slaughtered humanely like any other animal going for slaughter.

Well that's where we differ. You see a cow as a commodity, a form of profit, a means of living. You value it based on what it's worth and how it can benefit you, and your family, assumedly. I don't see cows, or any animals, as products or commodities subject to human needs and conditions. One might say "well what am I meant to do with the cow then? Just release it into the wild when I'm done with it?". Obviously not, but for me the problem is the cow shouldn't be there in first place. To me a cow is just as much part of this Earth as I am, fully entitled to all the joys and tribulations nature has to offer. I don't see human intelligence and industrial cruelty as a natural tribulation, either :P

Anyways, not trying to start a debate... just my 2 cents

That said though I have no problem eating meat or dairy of course, and I am not opposed to people hunting/catching their own food, eat what you kill... Though I still wouldn't eat it.

Ficheall · 14-12-2015 01:16PM

turnikett1 wrote: »

for me the problem is the cow shouldn't be there in first place

What about the poor carrots??

the_syco · 14-12-2015 01:26PM

DareGod wrote: »

He makes it clear that he believes that all vegans are know-it-alls who spend their time announcing their veganism to the world as well as constantly telling everyone else how they should live.

Sounds like he has met a few of the "dedicated" vegans...

DareGod wrote: »

And to anyone who is under any illusions here, animals are treated terribly in the name of meat, dairy and other animal-derived products.

Most will probably go extinct when we stop using them.

Potatoeman · 14-12-2015 01:40PM

Shenshen wrote: »

The internet disagrees with you there. The European mink is indeed critically endangered, and has been for the last 100 years or so. The reasons range from having been hunted for its fur, to the introduction of rival predators to their environments to change in food supply and habitat.

However, the European mink has never been used for fur farming. That was (and still is, actually) pretty much exclusively its cousin, the American mink. And the American mink is not endangered in the wild, either. Its conservation status is currently "Least Concern" with a stable population.

If everyone became a vegan tomorrow, I doubt farmers would still keep their herds. The point being many animals survival is dependant on their usefulness.

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