NASRPC's refusal to allow affiliation of clubs

cra · 13-12-2015 8:18pm

So much going on here today but I think you are all missing the big picture, the "anti-NASRPC minority on here" (to quote targetx) are not anti-NASRPC and definitely not a minority, I personally think that the NASRPC is a great organization with great competitions and possibly a great future, I do disagree with the actions of the current committee and I am extremely frustrated by the attitude of the committee towards the current crisis. Just because nobody volunteered at the previous AGM's to take their place does not give them free reign to ignore the wishes of their members and a lot of their members called for an EGM. It will come out at the AGM is true but what good will it do then just drive a wedge deeper and deeper. As far as minority goes (Scalachi can correct me if I am wrong here) but there are 15 clubs that would be normally affiliated to the NASRPC, not counting Fermoy as they have not been members for a couple of years over another disagreement, 8 of those 15 have called for an EGM not a minority but a majority. You can agree with the committee and say that some of those clubs did not pay their affiliation on time or you can ask why late payment matters so much this year when it was never a problem in the past. In the end what happens, the committee can force the issue stand up at the AGM and make excuses for not calling an EGM and drive those clubs farther away or they can postphone the AGM call an EGM defend their actions, face their critics and sort this whole mess out.

badaj0z · 13-12-2015 8:52pm

targetx wrote: »

At the last AGM and each one before, the committee by default stood down and were re-elected. Each one offered their position if anybody else in the room thought they could do a better job - NOBODY stepped forward to take their positions. They are not self appointed, they are elected and many of the people who elected them are actually satisfied with their performance. But everyone is entitled to an opinion and to be respected for same. So all should have a nice Christmas and look forward to the next AGM

They were reinstalled in their previous positions by default, No one else wanted the jobs and therein lies the problem. I, and many others have not been happy with the direction taken by the NASRPC in the past. Did we do anything about it? No. Why not? We were getting on with the shooting sports we found the most exciting and what they were doing was not impinging on us so we left it alone. When they joined the Sports Coalition, I and many others thought good, united we stand. Events proved me wrong and also proved that the mistake made by many of the clubs in the NASRPC was to not get involved and leave it run. Well they have gone too far on their solo run now and need to be reined in. The apathetic majority has stirred themselves and would like to get the NASRPC back on track, working for the good of the majority of sporting rifle and pistol shooters in this country. The really sad part of this whole affair is that the current committee started out with energy and dedication to improve things for us shooters. The sad thing for the rest of us is that we left them at it for too long and they lost the run of themselves. Their current behaviour is proof of that. The most important thing now to them is to stay in power at whatever cost, to them, to the clubs and to the shooting community in general. They have done strange things to prevent an EGM. Why? Because at an EGM, the clubs vote and they will lose. At an AGM the floor votes and they are banking on support from the two largest clubs, of which many of the current committee are members.I think that the friends of the committee in these clubs should have a quiet word with them about recognising that times have changed and so should they.

habitformin · 13-12-2015 11:05pm

badaj0z wrote: »

targetx wrote: »

At the last AGM and each one before, the committee by default stood down and were re-elected. Each one offered their position if anybody else in the room thought they could do a better job - NOBODY stepped forward to take their positions. They are not self appointed, they are elected and many of the people who elected them are actually satisfied with their performance. But everyone is entitled to an opinion and to be respected for same. So all should have a nice Christmas and look forward to the next AGM

They were reinstalled in their previous positions by default, No one else wanted the jobs and therein lies the problem. I, and many others have not been happy with the direction taken by the NASRPC in the past. Did we do anything about it? No. Why not? We were getting on with the shooting sports we found the most exciting and what they were doing was not impinging on us so we left it alone. When they joined the Sports Coalition, I and many others thought good, united we stand. Events proved me wrong and also proved that the mistake made by many of the clubs in the NASRPC was to not get involved and leave it run. Well they have gone too far on their solo run now and need to be reined in. The apathetic majority has stirred themselves and would like to get the NASRPC back on track, working for the good of the majority of sporting rifle and pistol shooters in this country. The really sad part of this whole affair is that the current committee started out with energy and dedication to improve things for us shooters. The sad thing for the rest of us is that we left them at it for too long and they lost the run of themselves. Their current behaviour is proof of that. The most important thing now to them is to stay in power at whatever cost, to them, to the clubs and to the shooting community in general. They have done strange things to prevent an EGM. Why? Because at an EGM, the clubs vote and they will lose. At an AGM the floor votes and they are banking on support from the two largest clubs, of which many of the current committee are members.I think that the friends of the committee in these clubs should have a quiet word with them about recognising that times have changed and so should they.

Gotta ask the question .
WHY is it that important to these people.?
We want them out and fresh faces installed.
We don't want to end the NASRPC just steer the organisation in a unified direction. It's time the top table went elsewhere. This committee has ended itself . No amount of spin can save them now .and still they refuse to call am EGM. And still they refuse to back up their reasons for not calling am EGM with a statement.
Pure unadulterated ego massaging that's what's happening here.

ntipptop · 13-12-2015 11:05pm

Scalachi wrote: »

I can tell you for a fact, that several of the 5 clubs listed have not applied, completed forms or sent any monies to the NASRPC for affiliation this year, at any point.

just reading over some of the posts of the last few days and i see we are honoured to have the treasurer of NASRPC on this thread

question for you [mod snip]
How many notification invoices letters have you sent to these so called non-affiliated clubs ??? this after all was your job?? no???
it also seems that there was no invoices or receipts given for any monies received ?? care to comment??

Why if some clubs didnt pay or were late paying did you (NASRPC) shoot on their ranges and make off with the days takings ???

Ye are in the committee to over see the wishes of members and why have ye gone a solo run
ye are not the owners of Nasrpc but mear managers
ye were elected last year as everyone was happy up to that, ye were givena clear mandate in hilltop to get back into the s.c. bury the hatchet and get on with trying to save our sport(not yours by the way)

so get out there and clear up this mess before you have no clubs or sport
call an egm or book a hotel for a WEEK for the AGM

Sparks · 14-12-2015 2:50am

[mod note] Keep it civil please folks. [/mod note]

Trigerguard · 14-12-2015 6:58am

ntipptop wrote: »

just reading over some of the posts of the last few days and i see we are honoured to have the treasurer of NASRPC on this thread

question for you [mod snip]
How many notification invoices letters have you sent to these so called non-affiliated clubs ??? this after all was your job?? no???
it also seems that there was no invoices or receipts given for any monies received ?? care to comment??

Why if some clubs didnt pay or were late paying did you (NASRPC) shoot on their ranges and make off with the days takings ???

Ye are in the committee to over see the wishes of members and why have ye gone a solo run
ye are not the owners of Nasrpc but mear managers
ye were elected last year as everyone was happy up to that, ye were givena clear mandate in hilltop to get back into the s.c. bury the hatchet and get on with trying to save our sport(not yours by the way)

so get out there and clear up this mess before you have no clubs or sport
call an egm or book a hotel for a WEEK for the AGM

Dident the clubs get receipts for money they payed if they did affilate if your not in you can't win.

cra · 14-12-2015 2:46pm

Trigerguard wrote: »

Dident the clubs get receipts for money they payed if they did affilate if your not in you can't win.

I can only speak for my own club and we had only been members for a couple of years, we never received a invoice or any other request for affiliation fees, we never received any communication to say our affiliation fee was overdue and so have been unaware of any time limits regarding paying of the fee. On paying of the fee in previous years we had asked for a receipt but never received that either.

As for the notion that we should go to the AGM and have our say, how, we are not affiliated and therefore have no say and more importantly no vote.

badaj0z · 14-12-2015 4:30pm

Trigerguard wrote: »

Dident the clubs get receipts for money they payed if they did affilate if your not in you can't win.

As many clubs have found out in the last weeks, even if you have paid, and/or the NASRPC has run shoots on your ranges, you are not in, not if you are critical of the NASRPC committee that is!

ntipptop · 14-12-2015 6:03pm

Trigerguard wrote: »

Dident the clubs get receipts for money they payed if they did affilate if your not in you can't win.

well it seems that not all clubs got receipts for money paid
so paper work isn't up to scratch!!!, so some clubs may have received receipts, if they pull with the committee, just saying !!

and if you don't pull with you get thrown out our have all paperwork refused due to it not being in on time (which is undetermined) Just saying !!!

habitformin · 14-12-2015 7:22pm

Shouldn't the club's that allowed their ranges now charge the NASRPC for use of their facilities now that it has come to light that they were never affiliated.
After all the only reason the got use of the ranges was they were members .
You can't have your cake and eat it

Trigerguard · 14-12-2015 7:26pm

cra wrote: »

I can only speak for my own club and we had only been members for a couple of years, we never received a invoice or any other request for affiliation fees, we never received any communication to say our affiliation fee was overdue and so have been unaware of any time limits regarding paying of the fee. On paying of the fee in previous years we had asked for a receipt but never received that either.

As for the notion that we should go to the AGM and have our say, how, we are not affiliated and therefore have no say and more importantly no vote.

Cra if I may bring to your attention the NASRPC constitution addresses the paying of affiliation.
Clubs have to have their money payed within one month of the AGM and the constitution is there for any one that cares to refer to it.

ntipptop · 14-12-2015 7:48pm

Trigerguard wrote: »

Cra if I may bring to your attention the NASRPC constitution addresses the paying of affiliation.
Clubs have to have their money payed within one month of the AGM and the constitution is there for any one that cares to refer to it.

You might read it out to the committee and show them the piece on calling an egm

clivej · 14-12-2015 8:03pm

clivej wrote: »

I've been bitting my tongue since reading all this sh1t about the NASRPC.
I haven't seen Des Crofton's name mentioned once.

cra wrote: »

"Originally Posted by clivej
I've been bitting my tongue since reading all this sh1t about the NASRPC.
I haven't seen Des Crofton's name mentioned once."

Why would his name be mentioned what has he got to do with it this is an internal matter for the NASRPC, at least 8 clubs that have been affialated have called for an EGM this has not happened that is the discussion, Des Crofton does not come into it.

cra wrote: »

I can only speak ..................

As for the notion that we should go to the AGM and have our say, how, we are not affiliated and therefore have no say and more importantly no vote.

........"As for the notion that we should go to the AGM and have our say, how, we are not affiliated and therefore have no say and more importantly no vote.".........

And that is why you don't know what your talking about. If you had been to ANY of the meetings you would know what Des Croften has to do with all of this.

IMO
HE is one main reason for the NASRPC leaving the SP, as Des Croften made sure they had no voice or seat on the FCP. Only by leaving the SP could the NASRPC get one seat on FCP.

IMO
Des Croften saw the NASRPC as a thorn in the side of the NARGC

IMO
Leave Des Croften to look after all the NARGC shooting clubs on the FCP and let the NASRPC look after their own on the FCP

cra · 14-12-2015 8:15pm

Trigerguard wrote: »

Cra if I may bring to your attention the NASRPC constitution addresses the paying of affiliation.
Clubs have to have their money payed within one month of the AGM and the constitution is there for any one that cares to refer to it.

Thank you Trigerguard but I think you are quoting from an out of date constitution, if you look at the constitution available on the NASRPC website it states that it should be paid on receipt of a letter/invoice. Now which constitution should we use the one that is published on the associations website in 2011 or some other constitution that we are not sure of is it an old one or has it been adopted since 2011.
Now if it has been changed since 2011 then why has it not been published. More importantly if that is the case and money is due within a month of the AGM then how many clubs paid in that time frame, is that rule enforced across the board, if it is their won't be to many clubs voting at the AGM

badaj0z · 14-12-2015 8:35pm

clivej wrote: »

.........

And that is why you don't know what your talking about. If you had been to ANY of the meetings you would know what Des Croften has to do with all of this.

HE is one main reason for the NASRPC leaving the SP, as Des Croften made sure they had no voice or seat on the FCP. Only by leaving the SP could the NASRPC get one seat on FCP.

Des Croften saw the NASRPC as a thorn in the side of the NARGC

Leave Des Croften to look after all the NARGC shooting clubs on the FCP and let the NASRPC look after their own on the FCP

If I understand you correctly, you have been told at the meetings you went to that the man you name is behind all of this?
This must be the daddy of all conspiracy theories or a galloping case of paranoia--which is it?

Tea drinker · 14-12-2015 8:38pm

targetx wrote: »

You obviously were not at the last AGM when this issue and others were discussed and democratically agreed, and when you would have had the opportunity to view the accounts and answer all your questions about expenditure. I doubt any of the anti-NASRPC minority on here were at that AGM.

Yeah IIRC the fees were increased due to increased expenditure due to the legal challenges to shooting. I have no issue with the extra cost.

cra · 14-12-2015 8:42pm

clivej wrote: »

........"As for the notion that we should go to the AGM and have our say, how, we are not affiliated and therefore have no say and more importantly no vote.".........

And that is why you don't know what your talking about. If you had been to ANY of the meetings you would know what Des Croften has to do with all of this.

IMO
HE is one main reason for the NASRPC leaving the SP, as Des Croften made sure they had no voice or seat on the FCP. Only by leaving the SP could the NASRPC get one seat on FCP.

IMO
Des Croften saw the NASRPC as a thorn in the side of the NARGC

IMO
Leave Des Croften to look after all the NARGC shooting clubs on the FCP and let the NASRPC look after their own on the FCP

Clivej it sounds like you are only reading an odd post here and there so I'll summarize my position for you.
While the differences between the NASRPC's committee and Des Crofton are at the root of this problem it is nothing to do with the fact that so many clubs called for an EGM and are being ignored by the committee.

I was at the meeting at Hilltop and heard the members (at that time I thought I was a member to) tell the committee to go back into the Sport Coalition sort out your differences and move on. The committee agreed to do this, a week or so later it came out that they did not do this. Quite a number of the NASRPC clubs were not happy about this and called for an EGM. This EGM has not been called and it should have, that is what I have been saying. I have my own opinion about the way the NASRPC left the sports coalition but I have not mentioned it here.

My position is the current committee of the NASRPC are not listening to their members, in fact they are ignoring them. Their actions are not good for the NASRPC in the long run and if they do not do something soon it looks like they will they will be looking at a split in the association.

habitformin · 14-12-2015 8:50pm

clivej wrote: »

clivej wrote: »

I've been bitting my tongue since reading all this sh1t about the NASRPC.
I haven't seen Des Crofton's name mentioned once.

cra wrote: »

"Originally Posted by clivej
I've been bitting my tongue since reading all this sh1t about the NASRPC.
I haven't seen Des Crofton's name mentioned once."

Why would his name be mentioned what has he got to do with it this is an internal matter for the NASRPC, at least 8 clubs that have been affialated have called for an EGM this has not happened that is the discussion, Des Crofton does not come into it.

cra wrote: »

I can only speak ..................

As for the notion that we should go to the AGM and have our say, how, we are not affiliated and therefore have no say and more importantly no vote.

........"As for the notion that we should go to the AGM and have our say, how, we are not affiliated and therefore have no say and more importantly no vote.".........

And that is why you don't know what your talking about. If you had been to ANY of the meetings you would know what Des Croften has to do with all of this.

IMO
HE is one main reason for the NASRPC leaving the SP, as Des Croften made sure they had no voice or seat on the FCP. Only by leaving the SP could the NASRPC get one seat on FCP.

IMO
Des Croften saw the NASRPC as a thorn in the side of the NARGC

IMO
Leave Des Croften to look after all the NARGC shooting clubs on the FCP and let the NASRPC look after their own on the FCP

Dear Clivej,
As you well know the NARGC have funded cases the length and depth of the country.
They have taken the argument for all firearms all sports right to the top and have helped get good solid results.
Now they left some people down but you can't cover everyone all the time.
Des Crofton is the nominated spokesperson for the organisation and he can speak well.
The only other organisation is that countryside alliance they did nothing when the British government took their subjects firearms . The same government is at it again calling for British rules across the whole of Europe. What will countryside alliance do.answer nothing look at my posts above for a link to their site . At least Des Crofton is trying . The committee of the NASRPC seems to be in bed with the countryside alliance that's why they got that seat and gave it to Mark mcGuire. Who it must be said was involved in "Solo runs " that caused the distrust, that caused the division that got us here.
,

homerhop · 14-12-2015 9:36pm

didnt the sports coalition advise us all to canvas our local politicians?
It's strange how you omit to mention the SC were quiet happy to use mark as a go between to the minister who is his local td when they wanted to. They knew of all his meetings with his local td. If you attended the meeting held in Abbeyleix he was more than willing to let anyone present read the messages/ emails he had with the SC regarding this.

habitformin · 14-12-2015 9:56pm

homerhop wrote: »

didnt the sports coalition advise us all to canvas our local politicians?
It's strange how you omit to mention the SC were quiet happy to use mark as a go between to the minister who is his local td when they wanted to. They knew of all his meetings with his local td. If you attended the meeting held in Abbeyleix he was more than willing to let anyone present read the messages/ emails he had with the SC regarding this.

They obviously did not otherwise we wouldn't be here. HUGE EGOS is the other . And still no one address's the issues .call the EGM sack this committee (retire them if you like) get this boat back on the water .too much damage is being done . Unity is the only answer. None of this committee would do much in the way of good representation.didn't someone already say they balled up a task with the gardai.
And yes I would love to read those emails .

badaj0z · 14-12-2015 10:17pm

homerhop wrote: »

didnt the sports coalition advise us all to canvas our local politicians?
It's strange how you omit to mention the SC were quiet happy to use mark as a go between to the minister who is his local td when they wanted to. They knew of all his meetings with his local td. If you attended the meeting held in Abbeyleix he was more than willing to let anyone present read the messages/ emails he had with the SC regarding this.

This was well covered in Des Crofton's letter to the NASRPC which was published on the NARGC web site and referred to earlier in this thread. What you have chosen to omit was whilst it was agreed that people should use all the channels available to them, they also agreed to keep the SC informed of the discussions and they also agreed to "sing from the same hymn sheet". They did neither of these things hence the breakdown in trust which is at the core of this matter.

habitformin · 14-12-2015 10:17pm

Also forgot to say .that's not the whole story you omitted a fair bit yourself .You also failed to deny that solo runs were done by Mark . Questions about that .
What were these solo runs for?
Who were they for?
Why the secrecy?
Was this about the apprenticing firearms scheme ?
Or was it on a more personal subject.
If it was nothing to do with shooting then that's fine and a private matter.
However if it was anything to do with statutory instruments?shooting in general or firearms related it's not fine.

clivej · 15-12-2015 12:31am

NASRPC AGM date, time, and venue have been announced.

I think I'll bring a flask of tea and packed lunch with me :rolleyes::rolleyes:

BattleCorp · 15-12-2015 12:33am

clivej wrote: »

NASRPC AGM date, time, and venue have been announced.

I think I'll bring a flask of tea and packed lunch with me :rolleyes::rolleyes:

And a camper van. ;-)

habitformin · 15-12-2015 12:35am

BattleCorp wrote: »

clivej wrote: »

NASRPC AGM date, time, and venue have been announced.

I think I'll bring a flask of tea and packed lunch with me :rolleyes::rolleyes:

And a camper van. ;-)

Make it a bus altogether to put up your rent a mob.
Unless an EGM is called them this AGM is just farce

BillBen · 15-12-2015 8:58am

habitformin wrote: »

Make it a bus altogether to put up your rent a mob.
Unless an EGM is called them this AGM is just farce

Why? I'm sure whatever your gripe you have can be discussed at the AGM

BattleCorp · 15-12-2015 9:35am

habitformin wrote: »

Make it a bus altogether to put up your rent a mob.
Unless an EGM is called them this AGM is just farce

Thanks for labelling me part of a rent-a-mob. I have not insulted you so please do me the honour of not insulting me.

Do you think I am incapable of listening to motions put forward and deciding logically what's best for my sport? It's my sport too, you do realise that, don't you?

If you lose out, so do I.

clivej · 15-12-2015 10:31am

habitformin wrote: »

Make it a bus altogether to put up your rent a mob.
Unless an EGM is called them this AGM is just farce

I'll drive the bus......:rolleyes:....... :eek::eek::eek:

habitformin · 15-12-2015 12:03pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

habitformin wrote: »

Make it a bus altogether to put up your rent a mob.
Unless an EGM is called them this AGM is just farce

Thanks for labelling me part of a rent-a-mob. I have not insulted you so please do me the honour of not insulting me.

Do you think I am incapable of listening to motions put forward and deciding logically what's best for my sport? It's my sport too, you do realise that, don't you?

If you lose out, so do I.

Lol so you can wise crack all you want ?the rest of us should shut up and put up?look at yourself and see through the fog battleCorp this whole effort is designed to frustrate the member clubs wishes to expunge the committee that is no longer fit for purpose..This EGM/AGM is going to open up some gap. However good solid shooters who actually have the best interest of shooting oh at heart will prevail.I want all on board you too.you will be asked to make tough calls and you will make the right calls ,of this I have no doubt.

BattleCorp · 15-12-2015 12:14pm

habitformin wrote: »

Lol so you can wise back all you want ?the rest of us should shut up and put up?look at yourself and see through the fog battleCorp this whole effort is designed to frustrate the member clubs wishes to expunge the committee that is no longer fit for purpose..This EGM/AGM is going to open up some gap. However good solid shooters who actually have the best interest of shooting oh at heart will prevail.I want all on board you too.you will be asked to make tough calls and you will make the right calls ,of this I have no doubt.

I'm not trying to be smart, or "wise back" as you say.

I've never asked anyone to put up or shut up. Show me once where I said anything remotely similar to telling somebody to put up or shut up? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I haven't once tried to silence anyone. I've absolutely no problem with someone putting down motions for discussion at the AGM.

I will however reserve judgement on all the issues until I hear them debated at the AGM.

Then I'll make a decision based on what I think is best for me and my sport.

cra · 15-12-2015 12:40pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm not trying to be smart, or "wise back" as you say.

I've never asked anyone to put up or shut up. Show me once where I said anything remotely similar to telling somebody to put up or shut up? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I haven't once tried to silence anyone. I've absolutely no problem with someone putting down motions for discussion at the AGM.

I will however reserve judgement on all the issues until I hear them debated at the AGM.

Then I'll make a decision based on what I think is best for me and my sport.

That's all fair enough and reasonable but do you not see that the clubs that are suddenly not affiliated can not put any motions forward for the AGM or will not be able to raise any issues that they may want discussed. Even if those clubs attend and those issues are somehow raised they will not be able to vote. Do you not see what this will do to the NASRPC in the long run, what it will do to our sport in the long run. As I have said before I am not anti-NASRPC and have praised the committee for their work in the past but the committee are handling this very badly and through their actions are pushing this in the wrong direction, they are pushing this whole thing towards a split and how is that good for the NASRPC and our sport.

Tackleberry. · 15-12-2015 12:47pm

Battlecorp

Do you think I am incapable of listening to motions put forward and deciding logically what's best for my sport? It's my sport too, you do realise that, don't you?

If you lose out, so do I.

Ya it's a lots of people's sport, why then Battlecorp did you remove the AGM details you had posted earlier ?

clivej · 15-12-2015 1:45pm

Tackleberry. wrote: »

Ya it's a lots of people's sport, why then Battlecorp did you remove the AGM details you had posted earlier ?

'Cos I said to Battlecorp those that need to know already know what the AGM details are

BattleCorp · 15-12-2015 1:47pm

Tackleberry. wrote: »

Ya it's a lots of people's sport, why then Battlecorp did you remove the AGM details you had posted earlier ?

No malicious reason. There you go. I'll leave it there now if that helps.

Please find attached the details of the forthcoming NASRPC AGM. It is scheduled for Saturday 16th January 2016, in the Osprey Hotel, Devoy Quarter, Naas. Co. Kildare at 2.30pm. You should also note any constitutional motions must be received by the secretary no later than 21 days in advance of the AGM date. The e mail address of the secretary is will.danaher@nasrpc.ie

LB6 · 15-12-2015 2:37pm

There's the last part of the AGM - it's called Any Other Business. Pose your questions there!

habitformin · 15-12-2015 3:56pm

LB6 wrote: »

There's the last part of the AGM - it's called Any Other Business. Pose your questions there!

Hi LB6,
Thanks for that do you think enough time will be left for any other business? There will be some amount of it.
They might well start with any other business.
;-)

habitformin · 15-12-2015 4:12pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Tackleberry. wrote: »

Ya it's a lots of people's sport, why then Battlecorp did you remove the AGM details you had posted earlier ?

No malicious reason. There you go. I'll leave it there now if that helps.

Please find attached the details of the forthcoming NASRPC AGM. It is scheduled for Saturday 16th January 2016, in the Osprey Hotel, Devoy Quarter, Naas. Co. Kildare at 2.30pm. You should also note any constitutional motions must be received by the secretary no later than 21 days in advance of the AGM date. The e mail address of the secretary is will.danaher@nasrpc.ie

Is calling for resignation of the entire committee a constitutional matter? if it is consider it called. After all look back through this thread.motion proposed any seconded .

BattleCorp · 15-12-2015 4:13pm

LB6 wrote: »

There's the last part of the AGM - it's called Any Other Business. Pose your questions there!

If it's a motion to do with the constitution, then it has to be sent in writing 21 days before the AGM. I'm not sure that the calling for the Committee to resign is a Constitutional matter. One way or another, all positions on the Committee are voted upon at the AGM as far as I'm aware.

habitformin · 15-12-2015 4:17pm

That's grand.

Trigerguard · 15-12-2015 8:11pm

habitformin wrote: »

Make it a bus altogether to put up your rent a mob.
Unless an EGM is called them this AGM is just farce

What are you employing Habitformin with your rent a mob.
The majority of target shooters come from killdare, Wicklow, and the greater Dublin area so mob rental won't come in to it.

habitformin · 15-12-2015 8:23pm

Trigerguard wrote: »

habitformin wrote: »

Make it a bus altogether to put up your rent a mob.
Unless an EGM is called them this AGM is just farce

What are you employing Habitformin with your rent a mob.
The majority of target shooters come from killdare, Wicklow, and the greater Dublin area so mob rental won't come in to it.

Trigger
I am implying this. The only reason the committee will not call an EGM is that is one club.one vote.
The AGM will allow open to the floor voting.they hope to carry tho day with the largest clubs behind them.
The problem is this will cause huge problems and a nation wide split . That is not the desired result as far as I am concerned.
This will have the effect of leaving the better equipped larger clubs with the NASRPC and the remaining clubs in limbo.a gift to our opponents. Is that what you think is best for shooting?

ntipptop · 15-12-2015 8:26pm

Trigerguard wrote: »

What are you employing Habitformin with your rent a mob.
The majority of target shooters come from killdare, Wicklow, and the greater Dublin area so mob rental won't come in to it.

jeezus talk about dividing the divided, did you forget that there are four provinces in Ireland and not just leinster !!! also there are more counties than you mentioned, you must have close connections to the current committee because your delusional !!!
so there's f$£k all shooters in Ulster,Connacht and Munster

clivej · 15-12-2015 10:43pm

BillBen wrote: »

Got this mail earlier today. So I might answer some questions for people

Dear Shooters,

Please see communication from NASRPC Committee below:

Adopt the Minutes
Chairman’s Report
Secretary’s report
Treasurers Statement of Accounts
Election of Officers
Motions for consideration (must be sent to secretary 21 days in advance)
AOB

Yours in sport,

NASRPC Committee

Txt clipped from post #50 on page 2 of this thread.

The election of officers comes before AOB just to clear up HOW a meeting is held for those that NEVER attend any of the NASRPC AGM's.

So calling for the resignation of the committee at AOB is a little pointless.
:rolleyes::rolleyes: ---- Unless of course a person doesn't like the elected officers ---- :rolleyes::rolleyes:

habitformin · 15-12-2015 10:52pm

clivej wrote: »

BillBen wrote: »

Got this mail earlier today. So I might answer some questions for people

Dear Shooters,

Please see communication from NASRPC Committee below:

Adopt the Minutes
Chairman s Report
Secretary s report
Treasurers Statement of Accounts
Election of Officers
Motions for consideration (must be sent to secretary 21 days in advance)
AOB

Yours in sport,

NASRPC Committee

Txt clipped from post #50 on page 2 of this thread.

The election of officers comes before AOB just to clear up HOW a meeting is held for those that NEVER attend any of the NASRPC AGM's.

So calling for the resignation of the committee at AOB is a little pointless.
:rolleyes::rolleyes: ---- Unless of course a person doesn't like the elected officers ---- :rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's not a matter of like or dislike,it's a matter of trust and accountability. Fit for purpose really .confidence is another.
The dedication is good ,always has been.
This is about our sport,as pointed out earlier for the whole country not a province.
Some people coming on here trying to make a bad situation worse. The reasons are simple for me. A committee that is working for shooters will listen to them. And work in their best interests not dictate policy decided in a back room. Work with clubs not boot them out at first sign of disagreement. Clubs that travelled all over to go to NASRPC shoots . To be treated like this ? Come on!

downrange · 15-12-2015 11:08pm

habitformin wrote: »

It's not a matter of like or dislike,it's a matter of trust and accountability. Fit for purpose really .confidence is another.
The dedication is good ,always has been.
This is about our sport,as pointed out earlier for the whole country not a province.
Some people coming on here trying to make a bad situation worse. The reasons are simple for me. A committee that is working for shooters will listen to them. And work in their best interests not dictate policy decided in a back room. Work with clubs not boot them out at first sign of disagreement. Clubs that travelled all over to go to NASRPC shoots . To be treated like this ? Come on!

You talk about "A committee that is working for shooters..." well the current committee have in fact worked very hard for the shooting community and have secured two seats on the FCP to represent OUR interests while the Sport Coalition tried to exclude the NASRPC from the FCP.

You talk about "dictate policy decided in a back room" - is it true that those that are against the current committee have been holding secret invite only meetings to drum up support for a planned committee take over? If that is not "back room" politics then I don't know what is? Also the NASRPC held an open meeting to discuss the issues and apparently none of the opposers turned up, avoiding the biggest opportunity to challenge the committee and ask all the questions that are being now discussed on this forum.

Unfortunately, there is a divide looming but it is being orchestrated by a group of clubs/people who oppose the committee for reasons that began with the Sports Coalition's effective dismissal of the NASRPC. Those clubs/people would be better off engaging in constructive dialog with the committee and trashing out the issues instead of hiding away in secret meetings.

And if you want to replace the committee, the AGM is the place to do it where all positions will be up for re-election but even that isn't good enough?

clivej · 15-12-2015 11:16pm

habitformin wrote: »

It's not a matter of like or dislike,it's a matter of trust and accountability. Fit for purpose really .confidence is another.
The dedication is good ,always has been.
This is about our sport,as pointed out earlier for the whole country not a province.
Some people coming on here trying to make a bad situation worse. The reasons are simple for me. A committee that is working for shooters will listen to them. And work in their best interests not dictate policy decided in a back room. Work with clubs not boot them out at first sign of disagreement. Clubs that travelled all over to go to NASRPC shoots . To be treated like this ? Come on!

It would seem that Sarcasm is lost on you.

My opinion is the present top table have done a good job, are doing a good job, and I hope they are all re-elected.

There are opinions here that say an EGM should have been called to evict the present top table. And then with ONE vote from each affiliated club a new committee elected.

All well and good. Or so MANY HERE would have us think.

And then the NEW committee call the AGM ASAP, as this is what a new committee must do.

And the election of officers at the AGM is made by the MEMBERS from all the affiliated clubs.
And there goes your officers from the EGM in one foul vote.

The majority will always win out in the end.

clivej · 15-12-2015 11:25pm

downrange wrote: »

You talk about "A committee that is working for shooters..." well the current committee have in fact worked very hard for the shooting community and have secured two seats on the FCP to represent OUR interests while the Sport Coalition tried to exclude the NASRPC from the FCP.

You talk about "dictate policy decided in a back room" - is it true that those that are against the current committee have been holding secret invite only meetings to drum up support for a planned committee take over? If that is not "back room" politics then I don't know what is? Also the NASRPC held an open meeting to discuss the issues and apparently none of the opposers turned up, avoiding the biggest opportunity to challenge the committee and ask all the questions that are being now discussed on this forum.

Unfortunately, there is a divide looming but it is being orchestrated by a group of clubs/people who oppose the committee for reasons that began with the Sports Coalition's effective dismissal of the NASRPC. Those clubs/people would be better off engaging in constructive dialog with the committee and trashing out the issues instead of hiding away in secret meetings.

And if you want to replace the committee, the AGM is the place to do it where all positions will be up for re-election but even that isn't good enough?

Downrange
I don't know who (whom) you are but with your first post on this thread and forum you have said it all out as it is.

Well done and I support all you have written above (I couldn't have wrote it any better)

downrange · 15-12-2015 11:33pm

clivej wrote: »

Downrange
I don't know who (whom) you are but with your first post on this thread and forum you have said it all out as it is.

Well done and I support all you have written above (I couldn't have wrote it any better)

Thank you for your support.

However, you summed it up even better than I did :-

"The majority will always win out in the end."

Tackleberry. · 15-12-2015 11:38pm

Clivej do you agree with the recent actions of not allowing clubs to affiliate to the NASRPC? Even when these clubs had been affiliated year before.

Tea drinker · 15-12-2015 11:55pm

Tackleberry. wrote: »

Clivej do you agree with the recent actions of not allowing clubs to affiliate to the NASRPC? Even when these clubs had been affiliated year before.

probably more to it than that, 2 sides to every biscuit.

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