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13-12-2015 01:20PM

awec wrote: »

I haven't seen him fight, I've said that a few times.

Still haven't seen him fight after watching the replay of last night's "fight" too. :pac:

Hard to stand and argue about a guys ability if he can't even last one punch or 15 seconds. Unless he was very unfortunate with the punch in question, but people are saying there was no fortune involved at all. The only other conclusion is that he's not really that great.

I'd say it's much harder to argue about his ability when you've watched 13 seconds of him in action but sure.

awec · 13-12-2015 01:27PM

Sky Mango Tux wrote: »

I'd say it's much harder to argue about his ability when you've watched 13 seconds of him in action but sure.

So what do you think that was last night then? You can't have your cake and eat it.

Either he was unlucky to be knocked out first punch or he is pretty poor. It's a bit of a stretch to say McGregor is just so amazing because he managed to hit a guy once. I am sure privately he can hardly believe that he KO'd him so easily.

A one hit /15 second KO isn't common, right?

CatFromHue · 13-12-2015 01:33PM

Considering McGregor's knock out history you can actually say he's pretty amazing.

15 knock outs or TKO's in his 17 wins, only went to a decision once and that was when he got a very bad knee injury half way through the fight, and the other win was a submission.

He's only ever went to the third round once, that was the fight where he got that bad knee injury, and the second round 5 times.

Bazzo · 13-12-2015 02:17PM

Calling that luck was covered fairly comprehensively in the actual fight thread over in MMA. What's the difference between knocking someone cold out after 25 minutes and 13 seconds? Arguably it's harder to do it in 13 seconds. Aldo obviously had an ego and came out showing his chin despite everyone in the divisions saying McGregor has a monster left and he found that out straight away. Luck had nothing to do with it though, he's now the 6th ever UFC fighter to win 5 or more consecutive fights by knockout. People still saying that these knockouts are luck are laughable tbh.

McGregor will probably move up a weight division to lightweight now anyway. He's a couple inches taller than everybody in featherweight and he's been struggling to make weight apparently so maybe he'll have a bit more competition in a heavier division.

awec · 13-12-2015 02:26PM

The difference is 24 minutes and 47 seconds. If someone gets knocked out after 25 minutes of battling that's a world of difference to getting knocked out the first time you are touched.

I'd say it's laughable to suggest that there is absolutely no fortune whatsoever involved in your very first punch on someone's chin flattening them. Has Aldo never been hit on the chin before?

Any professional fighter who is gone after one hit in less than 15 seconds should have their ability called in to question. That's the form of a bum.

13-12-2015 02:27PM

AH lads, the comments here are laughable and really showing people up for making statements without having a clue.

McGregor is in unbelievable shape at the moment. I've nearly never seen a fitter fighter in the UFC. His challenge is going to be to stay focused enough to keep training that hard.

His strike on Aldo was down to him studying Aldo's style and opening himself up enough that he drew Aldo into a trademark feint and left hook which McGregor took clean advantage of. Aldo is known for having a very solid jaw but entirely possible that he is having some issues here which is why he has been dodging fights a bit of late, and why one punch cleaned him out. It was a very hard perfectly timed punch however and would put most people down. Like fraction of a second perfect.

To all those thinking this was luck, sure isn't it just luck O'Gara used to nail pressure kicks, nothing to do with training and practice.

With regards to Rousey, most MMA fans didn't buy into the hype, she is actually fairly ridiculed for her attitude and many were happy to see her get beaten by Holm's. I still think Rousey is a very good fighter, and the humility should see her come back more level headed and a bit more focused.

awec · 13-12-2015 02:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Aldo is known for having a very solid jaw but entirely possible that he is having some issues here which is why he has been dodging fights a bit of late, and why one punch cleaned him out. It was a very hard perfectly timed punch however and would put most people down. Like fraction of a second perfect.

So what you are saying is that McGregor had the fortune of fighting Aldo at a time when he is having problems taking hits in a fight?

No fighter trained well enough to get into a ring should be going down so easily.

Zzippy · 13-12-2015 02:32PM

Makey-up sport or not, arrogant tosser attitude or not, the lad is $5m richer and fair f*cks to him for that. I don't watch MMA so couldn't give a toss, but I can admire how he's marketed himself - he's box office!

13-12-2015 02:33PM

awec wrote: »

So what you are saying is that McGregor had the fortune of fighting Aldo at a time when he is having problems taking hits in a fight?

Ah so you're taking the piss. Fair enough.

CatFromHue · 13-12-2015 02:35PM

awec wrote: »

The difference is 24 minutes and 47 seconds. If someone gets knocked out after 25 minutes of battling that's a world of difference to getting knocked out the first time you are touched.

I'd say it's laughable to suggest that there is absolutely no fortune whatsoever involved in your very first punch on someone's chin flattening them. Has Aldo never been hit on the chin before?

Any professional fighter who is gone after one hit in less than 15 seconds should have their ability called in to question. That's the form of a bum.

McGregor = Lomu

awec · 13-12-2015 02:36PM

Sky Mango Tux wrote: »

Ah so you're taking the piss. Fair enough.

Not taking the piss.

Just not buying into the hype because he beat a guy who couldn't take a single hit. The guy is clearly a brilliant fighter but that was a bit farcical.

If he is so good that he can beat the supposed best in the division with a single hit then last night's fight was never going to be a contest and the result was a foregone conclusion.

TeoReid · 13-12-2015 02:39PM

some of posts here remind me of the posts we see on rugby threads in After Hours.

Bazzo · 13-12-2015 02:44PM

awec wrote: »

Not taking the piss.

Just not buying into the hype because he beat a guy who couldn't take a single hit. The guy is clearly a brilliant fighter but that was a bit farcical.

If he is so good that he can beat the supposed best in the division with a single hit then last night's fight was never going to be a contest and the result was a foregone conclusion.

You've admitted yourself you don't watch MMA. That's fair enough, I don't watch a huge amount of it myself, but going by the reactions and comments of a lot/all of the people who do follow the sport/participate in it luck had very little to do with it. Add this to the fact that McGregor has won the vast majority of his fights by KO and many of them in the first round too and I think I'll take them at their word rather than you tbh.

At what point do his KOs stop being luck?

13-12-2015 02:44PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Makey-up sport or not, arrogant tosser attitude or not, the lad is $5m richer and fair f*cks to him for that. I don't watch MMA so couldn't give a toss, but I can admire how he's marketed himself - he's box office!

I think it's a great sport. Much better managed than Boxing and a much more honest sport with many many more facets. While styles have become much more centralised to a few key martial arts, the history of the sport shows why it's become the juggernaut that it is.

McGregor's act is just that, an act. Without it, he probably wouldn't be getting title shots yet. I'm delighted for him, and he backs up what he says with performances. And as a role model, he is incredibly committed to what he does which is very commendable.

awec wrote: »

Not taking the piss.

Just not buying into the hype because he beat a guy who couldn't take a single hit. The guy is clearly a brilliant fighter but that was a bit farcical.

If he is so good that he can beat the supposed best in the division with a single hit then last night's fight was never going to be a contest and the result was a foregone conclusion.

Come on Awec, if you don't like the sport or the fighter fair enough - but don't dismiss the performance because Aldo was beaten so quickly.

Sure we can say the same about the World Cup. New Zealand were comfortably better than Australia, does that mean we should dismiss the competition?

awec · 13-12-2015 02:45PM

Maybe McGregor wasn't fortunate.

Maybe Aldo was the fortunate one that for 10 years managed to avoid fighting anyone capable of actually hitting him and built himself a bit of a false reputation.

The idea that the amazing McGregor beat the amazing Aldo who is unbeaten in 10 years with a single blow after 15 seconds just doesn't tally at all. Either Aldo is very over rated, Aldo had an off night or McGregor is so amazing that the fight was always going to be a non-contest and Aldo just another bum.

Bazzo · 13-12-2015 02:46PM

awec wrote: »

Maybe McGregor wasn't fortunate.

Maybe Aldo was the fortunate one that for 10 years managed to avoid fighting anyone capable of actually hitting him and built himself a bit of a false reputation.

The idea that the amazing McGregor beat the amazing Aldo who is unbeaten in 10 years with a single blow after 15 seconds just doesn't tally at all. Either Aldo is very over rated, Aldo had an off night or McGregor is so amazing that the fight was always going to be a non-contest and Aldo just another bum.

Or Aldo was a great champion(this is what all the people in the know seem to think) and McGregor is just that much better?(Also what the people in the know are saying)

CatFromHue · 13-12-2015 02:50PM

awec wrote: »

The idea that the amazing McGregor beat the amazing Aldo who is unbeaten in 10 years with a single blow after 15 seconds just doesn't tally at all. Either Aldo is very over rated, Aldo had an off night or McGregor is so amazing that the fight was always going to be a non-contest and Aldo just another bum.

I'm genuinely amazed with this rubbish

awec · 13-12-2015 02:50PM

Bazzo wrote: »

Or Aldo was a great champion(this is what all the people in the know seem to think) and McGregor is just that much better?(Also what the people in the know are saying)

If he is that much better that Aldo is incapable of lasting 15 seconds then the hype around this fight was a farce and the result a foregone conclusion.

13-12-2015 02:51PM

awec wrote: »

Maybe McGregor wasn't fortunate.

Maybe Aldo was the fortunate one that for 10 years managed to avoid fighting anyone capable of actually hitting him and built himself a bit of a false reputation.

The idea that the amazing McGregor beat the amazing Aldo who is unbeaten in 10 years with a single blow after 15 seconds just doesn't tally at all. Either Aldo is very over rated, Aldo had an off night or McGregor is so amazing that the fight was always going to be a non-contest and Aldo just another bum.

Or maybe Aldo hasn't faced someone with McGregor's skill set. Maybe he has faced a lot of good wrestlers, or kick boxers but no one that has been able to open him up clinically with footwork and fast hard hands.

Anyway, this isn't a discussion - you're opinion is set in stone so will leave it there. Suffice to say, most people who have a basic understanding of the sport don't agree with you on this one.

awec · 13-12-2015 03:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Or maybe Aldo hasn't faced someone with McGregor's skill set. Maybe he has faced a lot of good wrestlers, or kick boxers but no one that has been able to open him up clinically with footwork and fast hard hands.

Anyway, this isn't a discussion - you're opinion is set in stone so will leave it there. Suffice to say, most people who have a basic understanding of the sport don't agree with you on this one.

My opinion isn't set in stone, just not getting the mental gymnastics going on here.

Aldo is a great champion but not so great that he can last 15 seconds in a ring.

This was a great match between the best in the division but one of the competitors was so much better than the other that he only had to punch him once. This however, should not be mentioned because this was a huge match.

Aldo hasn't lost in 10 years which makes him brilliant but he's not so brilliant that he can take getting hit. Nobody else has ever been good enough before to hit him.

McGregor wasn't at all fortunate but Aldo has been having trouble with his chin (apparently). This shouldn't be questioned however, because nobody punches like McGregor.

It's like people want to hype McGregor but completely avoid questioning the ability and hype of Aldo because that might be seen as somehow detracting from the win. So instead, we have to just go along with the idea that Aldo is amazing but not so amazing that he can last 15 seconds in the ring with McGregor and his iron fists.

Aldo is amazing. McGregor is amazing. All hail McGregor and his herculean win.

Zzippy · 13-12-2015 03:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's a great sport. Much better managed than Boxing and a much more honest sport with many many more facets. While styles have become much more centralised to a few key martial arts, the history of the sport shows why it's become the juggernaut that it is.

McGregor's act is just that, an act. Without it, he probably wouldn't be getting title shots yet. I'm delighted for him, and he backs up what he says with performances. And as a role model, he is incredibly committed to what he does which is very commendable.

I was referring to another post which called the sport made up. I don't watch it, know feck all about it, in fact I'd struggle to name 3 other MMA fighters, but in spite of how annoying McGregor comes across, I admire his chutzpah and how he has used that act to market himself. And fair play to him, he'll never have to work a day in his life after his MMA career is over.

Bazzo · 13-12-2015 03:06PM

awec wrote: »

My opinion isn't set in stone, just not getting the mental gymnastics going on here.

Aldo is a great champion but not so great that he can last 15 seconds in a ring.

This was a great match between the best in the division but one of the competitors was so much better than the other that he only had to punch him once. This however, should not be mentioned because this was a huge match.

Aldo hasn't lost in 10 years which makes him brilliant but he's not so brilliant that he can take getting hit. Nobody else has ever been good enough before to hit him.

McGregor wasn't at all fortunate but Aldo has been having trouble with his chin (apparently). This shouldn't be questioned however, because nobody punches like McGregor.

It's like people want to hype McGregor but completely avoid questioning the ability and hype of Aldo because that might be seen as somehow detracting from the win. So instead, we have to just go along with the idea that Aldo is amazing but not so amazing that he can last 15 seconds in the ring with McGregor and his iron fists.

Aldo is amazing. McGregor is amazing. All hail McGregor and his herculean win.

So if they had danced around with a bit of grappling and blocking for 10 minutes and then McGregor had got the same opening and sparked Aldo with his first clean blow to the head the whole fight would somehow have been infinitely better?

Nobody is performing mental gymnastics, you're just taking a ridiculously simple view of everything. They can both be good fighters and have the fight play out as it did anyway.

awec · 13-12-2015 03:10PM

Look, he's a great figher, that can't be denied.

But that fight last night says a lot more about Aldo than it does about McGregor.

Teferi · 13-12-2015 03:18PM

McGregor is a counter puncher with a massive left who had an opportunity to counter punch with his massive left. Cracking shot selection from McG. Aldo shouldn't have bum rushed him.

It also tells you something about Conor's power. In Aldo Mendes II Chad caught him with a full power uppercut and he is known to be one of the more powerful lads at 145 - Aldo was barely rocked. To be able to knock someone out as you're moving backwards shows exceptional power.

Pudsy33 · 13-12-2015 04:00PM

I stayed up to watch it and delighted I did. Great event

all the the other fights on the main card were absolute wars, although I felt bad for Nelson who was given a lesson, totally outclassed.

irishbucsfan · 13-12-2015 04:07PM

The look of shock on McGregor's face after the fight underlined how much luck was involved in that exchange.

Edgar-McGregor or Mendes-McGregor will hopefully give us a better spectacle. I'd imagine it'll be Edgar-McGregor given Edgar's antics after the last fight and his win over Mendes.

Pudsy33 · 13-12-2015 04:13PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Edgar-McGregor or Mendes-McGregor will hopefully give us a better spectacle. I'd imagine it'll be Edgar-McGregor given Edgar's antics after the last fight and his win over Mendes.

It'll either by McGregor vs Edgar for the 145 belt or McGregor vs Cerrone/DosAnjos for the 155 belt.

13-12-2015 04:18PM

awec you can't base Aldo on simply what happened last night. You admitted yourself you haven't seen any of his other fights. I recommend you actually watch some of his fights before determining his career from 13 seconds. France are not as bad (or worse) than Namibia after suffering a similar defeat against New Zealand.

Have a look at this fight. McGregor's last fight was against Mendes, who did push McGregor with his ground game. Both fighters take a ton of punches to the face.

McGreger must have a serious left punch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C40xjD2ET_A

irishbucsfan · 13-12-2015 04:35PM

Pudsy33 wrote: »

It'll either by McGregor vs Edgar for the 145 belt or McGregor vs Cerrone/DosAnjos for the 155 belt.

He really shouldn't be allowed to fight for the 155 belt before he defends the 145 belt. Edgar and Mendes both should get a proper shot at him. The winner of Pettis/Alvarez should fight for the 155 belt.

Pudsy33 · 13-12-2015 04:38PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He really shouldn't be allowed to fight for the 155 belt before he defends the 145 belt. Edgar and Mendes both should get a proper shot at him. The winner of Pettis/Alvarez should fight for the 155 belt.

Edgar definitely deserves a shot. Mendes though is on a 3 fight losing streak so he will have to fight a few more times I think, maybe match him up with Holloway who is on a great run.

Edit: Forgot about Mendes beating Lamas. Even still I reckon both Aldo and Edgar should be next up

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