What happened to Madeleine McCann?

13-12-2015 01:55AM

deco nate wrote: »

When asked on the late late show what happened(or words to that effect) the reply from them was... Buy the book, then both of them smiled.

They can Fook off.
Imo they covered up her death.

Again, not exactly endearing, but not evidence.

Dep! · 13-12-2015 01:55AM

deco nate wrote: »

When asked on the late late show what happened(or words to that effect) the reply from them was... Buy the book, then both of them smiled.

:eek:

Really? I must see if said interview is online.

NachoBusiness · 13-12-2015 01:56AM

topmanamillion wrote: »

Anyone that believes they did it needs to think about it and ask themselves a few questions.

Why would they cover it up?

Well I guess the only argument that makes sense with the above question is that she died in their care in some way (either assault, accidentally overdose, a fall etc) and lied in case nobody would believe them or they would be imprisoned for whatever role they had to play in that.

Well for me, this isn't plausible at all as from 8pm to 10pm everyone that came in contact with Gerry and Kate said they appeared normal and there is no way that your daughter could have died mere hours before and then go and eat food and act normal. Can anyone imagine their friends coming around to dinner hours after one of their young children have died and somehow be able to act in a way which you see as them being the same as usual? No way.

At the very least you would notice they were being distant, not listening to what's being said to them etc. Christ, if one my mates has with his girlfriend I can usually tell by the way they behave. You'll be able to cut the tension in the air with a knife. But yet all their friends at the dinner that night all said they appeared fine.

Wanderer2010 · 13-12-2015 01:57AM

It's impossible to say at this stage what exactly happened, the police investigation wasn't exactly thorough but I do sense the parents were involved in it. It's just hard to swallow a random snatcher being able to take the girl bring her to his car or lair and then dispose of her all without being seen by a single person.
The parents always seemed a bit cold to me and it's definitely true that because they were middle class doctors with posh voices and a nice looking daughter they got more media attention than, say, the daughter of a single mum from Essex who went missing. God rest her soul either way.

Dep! · 13-12-2015 01:58AM

Candie wrote: »

Again, not exactly endearing, but not evidence.

Are you going to keep wheeling that one out?

There have been many events in history where there's not enough evidence to prove something, but yet everyone knows what happened.

_Whimsical_ · 13-12-2015 01:59AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Whatever about the truth in this tragic case, I would disagree with you there NB. Once a lie becomes established and the longer it becomes established as the truth in our memories, the more real it becomes. This is pretty well researched. Memory, especially such emotive memory becomes fact very easily. Doubly so if said memory is a defence against an even more emotive and self damaging truth.

I very much doubt that this is established through research in instances of death of one's own child. There's no way anyone who murdered or found their child dead has gone on to pretend to themselves that their child was abducted and murdered.

There is no evidence to suggest that the parents were involved. There is copious evidence to establish as fact that the police investigation was horribly bungled by a police force who jumped to the conclusion the parents did it. There is also lots of evidence that the media jumped on the gravy train and spewed out months of fabrication around the parents being responsible.
Personally I think anyone who has an absolute notion of what happened is a bit of an idiot happy to confuse supposition with fact. If there wasn't a missing child in the middle of it or a grieving family it wouldn't so bad but when there is I'd think people would have the grace to respect the evidence, or lack of, and keep an open mind.

13-12-2015 02:00AM

Dep! wrote: »

I came across a series of great documentaries about her on Youtube this week and it is hard to ignore some of the evidence it puts forward.

Lolololllolllolllllllololololllol

KERSPLAT! · 13-12-2015 02:00AM

Dep! wrote: »

Are you going to keep wheeling that one out?

There have been many events in history where there's not enough evidence to prove something, but yet everyone knows what happened.

You know they were involved or you think they were involved?

If you know can you pass your evidence on to the authorities, I'm sure they'd be very interested. Unless it's all hear say and unsubstantiated horse ****e

deco nate · 13-12-2015 02:02AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I very much doubt that this is established through research in instances of death of one's own child. There's no way anyone who murdered or found their child dead has gone on to pretend to themselves that their child was abducted and murdered.

There is no evidence to suggest that the parents were involved. There is copious evidence to establish as fact that the police investigation was horribly bungled by a police force who jumped to the conclusion the parents did it. There is also lots of evidence that the media jumped on the gravy train and spewed out months of fabrication around the parents being responsible.
Personally I think anyone who has an absolute notion of what happened is a bit of an idiot happy to confuse supposition with fact. If there wasn't a missing child in the middle of it or a grieving family it wouldn't so bad but when there is I'd think people would have the grace to respect the evidence, or lack of, and keep an open mind.

you just contradicted yourself in this post

IvySlayer · 13-12-2015 02:04AM

The night before she went missing Madeleine was crying because she couldn't find Kate.

They were rumours they were sedating their kids, dunno about that but it would not surprise me.

I believe Maddy woke up looking for her parents, fell down the steps and died. Gerry then dumped the body.

We may never know what happened

MilesMorales1 · 13-12-2015 02:04AM

In my opinion, the parents did. But I have no evidence one way or the other, so innocent till proven guilty, etc.

NachoBusiness · 13-12-2015 02:06AM

The view of an expert in lying:

Dr Sharon Leal - Clinical Psychologist.

My current research focuses on the behavioural and physiological effects of cognitive load during deception. This research is very relevant for detecting how people engaged in ‘high stake’ deception respond verbally, non-verbally and physiologically. My work involves cooperation with national and international governments and police. I am a member of the European consortium of Psychological Research on Deception Detection (E-prodd). The consortium utilises cutting edge research from laboratories across Europe to optimise the detection of deception in serious crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EyT-7Zi5HM

jay-me · 13-12-2015 02:07AM

What a horribly depressing discussion for a Saturday night. None the less the sniffer dogs did it for me and I firmly believe the parents were involved and the poor child is dead. I'd say one of them will break before they die and let the world know!

Dep! · 13-12-2015 02:07AM

IvySlayer wrote: »

I believe Maddy woke up looking for her parents, fell down the steps and died. Gerry then dumped the body.

I cant remember the cadaver dogs smelling a corpse at any steps but behind the sofa at the window still and in the boot of the car they certainly did.

_Whimsical_ · 13-12-2015 02:08AM

deco nate wrote: »

you just contradicted yourself in this post

Where ? I said there's no evidence to suggest the parents were involved, not that they weren't, although a lack of evidence in my view makes it unlikely. There's a difference between stating an opinion as probability v's opinion as absolute fact.

kettlehead · 13-12-2015 02:09AM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

For me, this is hugely significant.
When my kids are away and i miss them, a sniff of a bear is very comforting.

Was there ever a reason offered why she did it?

Grief and worry make people do irrational things. She could have wanted her teddy to be nice and clean, ready for her when she came back.

RayM · 13-12-2015 02:10AM

IvySlayer wrote: »

They were rumours they were sedating their kids, dunno about that but it would not surprise me.

I believe Maddy woke up looking for her parents, fell down the steps and died. Gerry then dumped the body.

We may never know what happened

Exactly, we don't know. But let's not allow that to get in the way of a bit of idle speculation.

MilesMorales1 wrote:

In my opinion, the parents did. But I have no evidence one way or the other, so innocent till proven guilty, etc.

Probably best to at least have some evidence before forming the opinion that they killed their daughter, Columbo.

the_pen_turner · 13-12-2015 02:10AM

I don't think any of us here claim to know what happened as fact . we are just speculating on what we see and the information that is show in the media.

I hope madaline is alive and being looked after but all the information point to it being the parents responsible.

I could be wrong but something isn't right about the parents . even from day one I didn't believe them for some reason. I didn't know about the washing of the teddy, that is really suspicious .

Azalea · 13-12-2015 02:10AM

Dep! wrote: »

None of it is enough to put them in prison no.

But thats where they should be.

You can have all the opinions in the world that they did it, which you are entitled to - and maybe they did, but until it can be proven, they are innocent, and they should not be in jail.

I have no idea what happened. Perhaps the parents did it, but I have just as much reason to believe that they did not do it at all. Although their choice to go for a meal without a babysitter watching the children is dreadful. They have paid the ultimate price though.

deco nate · 13-12-2015 02:11AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Where ? I said there's no evidence to suggest the parents were involved, not that they weren't, although a lack of evidence in my view makes it unlikely. There's a difference between stating an opinion as probability v's opinion as absolute fact.

Keep an open mind, your post suggests you already have made you're mind up.

Ellie2008 · 13-12-2015 02:12AM

I have no idea why but I just have this really strong feeling that Madeline McCann never existed I have no idea why it's irrational!

Kate & Gerry McCann don't come across well, him especially that doesn't mean they killed their kid. And they d want to be some level of psychopaths to know their kid was dead and still collect a fortune for the campaign to find her. The chances of them both being able to hold it together this long, doubt anybody could tbh.

Dep! · 13-12-2015 02:13AM

Ellie2008 wrote: »

I have no idea why but I just have this really strong feeling that Madeline McCann never existed

_Whimsical_ · 13-12-2015 02:14AM

deco nate wrote: »

Keep an open mind, your post suggests you already have made you're mind up.

No it doesn't.

Easca Peasca · 13-12-2015 02:16AM

For the sake of speculation, I'd imagine she was abducted and when the story of her disappearance became international headline news she was considered too much of a risk for anyone to have links to and killed.

The circumstances surrounding her death and apparent sightings make for eery reading.

deco nate · 13-12-2015 02:19AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

No it doesn't.

YES it does, read you're post again.

IvySlayer · 13-12-2015 02:23AM

Dep! wrote: »

I cant remember the cadaver dogs smelling a corpse at any steps but behind the sofa at the window still and in the boot of the car they certainly did.

How long does it take to a corpse to smell though?

The last time Madeleine was seen (alive?) was at 2105 (Gerrys turn). Half and hour later one of their friends checked in but he didn't go into the bedrooms so she could have been put behind the couch before Kate reported her missing at 2200

esforum · 13-12-2015 02:38AM

The main concern I have about the accident and cover up is very simple, could a parent that loves their child and is not an actual murderer not only to do such a deed in the spur of the moment but keep quiet and continue on for so many years?

I have 3 daughters, if one died I would be a god damn train wreck for a very ****ing long time. Getting off the ground would be a mission.

The other thing to watch is that while the cops ****ed up to some degree, the British police and media meddled to an unbelievable level and caused more problems than they solved plus who the **** leaves kids that age alone? Seriously, there were what, 6 adults? they couldnt have 1 sit in each night or take it in turns?

the_pen_turner · 13-12-2015 02:43AM

what happened with the oddly calm British couple that wanted their very large pet cremated but kept the pet in a bag and didn't want the ash's
I never heard anymore about this lead. the crematorium worker thought it was odd and reported it.

also that time line is based on their own word. surely they could be lying about the time

Dep! · 13-12-2015 02:47AM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

what happened with the oddly calm British couple that wanted their very large pet cremated but kept the pet in a bag and didn't want the ash's
I never heard anymore about this lead. the crematorium worker thought it was odd and reported it.

Of all the documentaries on this and websites about it that Ive seen Ive never once heard that. Have you a link?

the_syco · 13-12-2015 02:49AM

The poll doesn't include aliens...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWnsVnGJ6Gw

What happened to Madeleine McCann?

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