What happened to Madeleine McCann?

Dep!

I came across a series of great documentaries about her on Youtube this week and it is hard to ignore some of the evidence it puts forward.

They can be found in a series of 4 different episodes on there but someone has also joined them all up for one link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PltuL0ICkzs

At 4 hours its not something you'll watch in one sitting but definitely something to take an hour in a day till completion. It exposes all the false leads and red herrings fed to the media by Gerry and Kate's PR man, it questions where all the money from the fund went and it puts forward a strong case for the cadaver dogs on the scene who smelt a corpse in 5 different instances in the partment where Madeline went missing.

So what happened to Madeleine McCann?

I believe she fell in the apartment or some other accident happened and it was covered up. There are 60 solid reasons why she wasnt abducted here http://www.cwporter.com/mccann.htm

The_fever

Damn you, that's me glued for an hour.

kettlehead

We will never know for sure what happened. She's brown bread anyway.

Dep!

The_fever wrote: »

Damn you, that's me glued for an hour.

Its one of the best Ive seen on the subject, probably not one to watch in one sitting but its broken up into 4 logical chapters.

Tarzana2

I don't know what happened to her so can't pick a poll option. I can't even pick the 'something else' option because I don't know if it was something else.

StewartGriffin

Tarzana2 wrote: »

I don't know what happened to her so can't pick a poll option. I can't even pick the 'something else' option because I don't know if it was something else.

Me too. I could pretend I know like everyone else, but that would just playing a game and games aren't really appropriate in this case.

Dep!

Tarzana2 wrote: »

I don't know what happened to her so can't pick a poll option. I can't even pick the 'something else' option because I don't know if it was something else.

StewartGriffin wrote: »

Me too. I could pretend I know like everyone else, but that would just playing a game and games aren't really appropriate in this case.

Does anyone know how I edit a poll after posting it? I'll add an "I dont know" option.

sashafierce

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NachoBusiness

I have no idea but one think I know for sure is that her parents haven't a clue what happened her either.

Nobody is that good at lying and for that long. Not a chance.

Tarzana2

Dep! wrote: »

Does anyone know how I edit a poll after posting it? I'll add an "I dont know" option.

I think if you go into 'Edit' then 'Go Advanced', you can edit the poll there.

Wibbs

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Nobody is that good at lying and for that long. Not a chance.

Whatever about the truth in this tragic case, I would disagree with you there NB. Once a lie becomes established and the longer it becomes established as the truth in our memories, the more real it becomes. This is pretty well researched. Memory, especially such emotive memory becomes fact very easily. Doubly so if said memory is a defence against an even more emotive and self damaging truth.

Fluffy Cat 88

There is a lot more to this - I'm convinced.

The fact Kate wouldn't answer any questions in the investigation.

The fact the cadaver dogs smelt death.

The fact the toy Cuddle Cat was washed by Kate.

And them suing Goncalo Aramal - his book "The Truth of the Lie".

I can't imagine what it's like to not know where your little girl is or what happened to her, and to have people think you were involved in her disappearance or even killed her yourself? That must be a living hell. That poor little girl, and her poor family.

The McCanns made bad childcare decisions for which they've paid the highest price possible and they have to live with that for the rest of their lives. That must be torture.

If the evidence is so strong for her parents involvement, then they can still be charged. The fact they haven't been should tell you everything you need to know.

Junkyard Tom

Aliens.

Dep!

Tarzana2 wrote: »

I think if you go into 'Edit' then 'Go Advanced', you can edit the poll there.

I cant seem to see it. Could a Mod add an "I dont know" option for me? Thanks.

KERSPLAT!

Dep! wrote: »

Does anyone know how I edit a poll after posting it? I'll add an "I dont know" option.

Well it's doubtful aboyone here 'knows' so 'I don't know' should be the only option

topmanamillion

NachoBusiness wrote: »

I have no idea but one think I know for sure is that her parents haven't a clue what happened her either.

Nobody is that good at lying and for that long. Not a chance.

100% this. It is.nt plausible at all.
Even Joe o reilly who, after killing his wife, went on the late late to appeal for information into her murder unravelled very quickly.
Anyone that believes they did it needs to think about it and ask themselves a few questions.
How did they do it?
Why did they do?
Why would they cover it up?
Why pick her?

NachoBusiness

Wibbs wrote: »

Whatever about the truth in this tragic case, I would disagree with you there NB. Once a lie becomes established and the longer it becomes established as the truth in our memories, the more real it becomes. This is pretty well researched. Memory, especially such emotive memory becomes fact very easily. Doubly so if said memory is a defence against an even more emotive and self damaging truth.

That may be the case with small details like family arguments etc. I have witnessed that myself and how people can lie to themselves and eventually believe it. But nobody is going to start lying about the death of their child, say they no nothing about it when they do and then end up believing that lie to be the truth some day. No way. Unless maybe the insane. If the McCanns knew something about the death of Madeleine, then the concealing of that fact would forever be forefront in their mind every single time they are interviewed and they would without question be conscious of that and like I say, nobody is that good at concealing something that huge for so long.

They have also never shied away from the media. On the contrary, they have went out of their way to speak to them from the very beginning, at every chance they could get. This is also not something, imo, that people would do if they were lying. The logical thing to do in that case would just be to say 'We've been through too much please leave us alone now'. Their actions scream they haven't a notion what happened to their daughter.

Dep!

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Well it's doubtful aboyone here 'knows' so 'I don't know' should be the only option

I only asked as a few people seemed to want it. Thanks anyway.

Turtyturd

No matter what happened the blame lies with the parents, but they're doctors so let's ignore that.

Richard Hillman

She fell down a well.

Roger Hassenforder

Fluffy Cat 88 wrote: »

The fact the toy Cuddle Cat was washed by Kate.

For me, this is hugely significant.
When my kids are away and i miss them, a sniff of a bear is very comforting.

Was there ever a reason offered why she did it?

the_pen_turner

if someone was going to abduct a child you would presume that they would seek out a child on their own.
how did they know that all the kids were asleep, how did they get in and out without waking the children.
how did they hide her as she was probably frightened and trying to escape




my thoughts on this are the same as when it first happened.
I think that the parents drugged the children to make them sleep but something went wrong and she died.
they then covered it up



as for keeping up lies for years .
ask joseph fritzle or his family. he did all kinds of evil to his daughter and everybody bought into his lies

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

She fell down a well.

Give over.

Dep!

Candie wrote: »

If the evidence is so strong for her parents involvement, then they can still be charged. The fact they haven't been should tell you everything you need to know.

Oh there's plenty of evidence and strange behaviour by the parents.

1. The cadaver dogs, who were previously right 200 times out of 201 smelling a corpse, sensing a dead body 5 times in the aparment.
2. Kate washing her fluffy toy. Why do that?
3. Gerry's body language in interviews
4. The lack of similar stories and contradictions by the Tapas 9
5. The cadaver dogs smelling a corpse on Kate's clothes, Yes she was a doctor but never around corpses.
6. The McCanns’ immediate and insistent cry of ‘abduction’ - excluding all other possibilities. Why did they jump straight to that?
7. The apartment's shutters could only be opened from the inside - and only Kate McCann’s fingerprints were on the window
8. Jane Tanner’s ever-changing stories of what the alleged abductor looked like - and other problems with Jane Tanner’s accounts
9. The hiring of very dubious firms of so-called ‘private investigators’
10. The McCanns’ rush, right from the outset, to hire a team of top lawyers, including the appointment of Britain’s top extradition lawyer
11. Failing to co-operate fully with the Portuguese police, despite repeatedly promising to do so
12. Comparing losing Madeleine to being told you’re overdrawn. On one occasion, a TV interviewer asked Dr Gerry McCann what he felt like on learning that Madeleine had ‘gone missing’. He answered: “It was like going to the bank and finding yourself over your student overdraft”.
13. The rapid setting up of the private company ‘trust fund’ - but the refusal to say how much has been received and what it’s been spent on
14. Google the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell. He is a very powerful man in British government. Why hire him?

These and 46 other reasons can be found here http://www.cwporter.com/mccann.htm

None of those things amount to evidence.

Dep!

Candie wrote: »

None of those things amount to evidence.

None of it is enough to put them in prison no.

But thats where they should be.

KERSPLAT!

Dep! wrote: »

Oh there's plenty of evidence and strange behaviour by the parents.

1. The cadaver dogs, who were previously right 200 times out of 201 smelling a corpse, sensing a dead body 5 times in the aparment.
2. Kate washing her fluffy toy. Why do that?
3. Gerry's body language in interviews
4. The lack of similar stories and contradictions by the Tapas 9
5. The cadaver dogs smelling a corpse on Kate's clothes, Yes she was a doctor but never around corpses.
6. The McCanns’ immediate and insistent cry of ‘abduction’ - excluding all other possibilities. Why did they jump straight to that?
7. The apartment's shutters could only be opened from the inside - and only Kate McCann’s fingerprints were on the window
8. Jane Tanner’s ever-changing stories of what the alleged abductor looked like - and other problems with Jane Tanner’s accounts
9. The hiring of very dubious firms of so-called ‘private investigators’
10. The McCanns’ rush, right from the outset, to hire a team of top lawyers, including the appointment of Britain’s top extradition lawyer
11. Failing to co-operate fully with the Portuguese police, despite repeatedly promising to do so
12. Comparing losing Madeleine to being told you’re overdrawn. On one occasion, a TV interviewer asked Dr Gerry McCann what he felt like on learning that Madeleine had ‘gone missing’. He answered: “It was like going to the bank and finding yourself over your student overdraft”.
13. The rapid setting up of the private company ‘trust fund’ - but the refusal to say how much has been received and what it’s been spent on
14. Google the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell. He is a very powerful man in British government. Why hire him?

These and 46 other reasons can be found here http://www.cwporter.com/mccann.htm

'Evidence' :rolleyes:

Dep!

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

'Evidence' :rolleyes:

I did say evidence and strange behaviour by the parents.

None of it is evidence of any kind of guilt. None.

deco nate

Candie wrote: »

None of those things amount to evidence.

When asked on the late late show what happened(or words to that effect) the reply from them was... Buy the book, then both of them smiled.

They can Fook off.
Imo they covered up her death.

deco nate

deco nate wrote: »

When asked on the late late show what happened(or words to that effect) the reply from them was... Buy the book, then both of them smiled.

They can Fook off.
Imo they covered up her death.

Again, not exactly endearing, but not evidence.

Dep!

deco nate wrote: »

When asked on the late late show what happened(or words to that effect) the reply from them was... Buy the book, then both of them smiled.

:eek:

Really? I must see if said interview is online.

NachoBusiness

topmanamillion wrote: »

Anyone that believes they did it needs to think about it and ask themselves a few questions.

Why would they cover it up?

Well I guess the only argument that makes sense with the above question is that she died in their care in some way (either assault, accidentally overdose, a fall etc) and lied in case nobody would believe them or they would be imprisoned for whatever role they had to play in that.

Well for me, this isn't plausible at all as from 8pm to 10pm everyone that came in contact with Gerry and Kate said they appeared normal and there is no way that your daughter could have died mere hours before and then go and eat food and act normal. Can anyone imagine their friends coming around to dinner hours after one of their young children have died and somehow be able to act in a way which you see as them being the same as usual? No way.

At the very least you would notice they were being distant, not listening to what's being said to them etc. Christ, if one my mates has with his girlfriend I can usually tell by the way they behave. You'll be able to cut the tension in the air with a knife. But yet all their friends at the dinner that night all said they appeared fine.

Wanderer2010

It's impossible to say at this stage what exactly happened, the police investigation wasn't exactly thorough but I do sense the parents were involved in it. It's just hard to swallow a random snatcher being able to take the girl bring her to his car or lair and then dispose of her all without being seen by a single person.
The parents always seemed a bit cold to me and it's definitely true that because they were middle class doctors with posh voices and a nice looking daughter they got more media attention than, say, the daughter of a single mum from Essex who went missing. God rest her soul either way.

Dep!

Candie wrote: »

Again, not exactly endearing, but not evidence.

Are you going to keep wheeling that one out?

There have been many events in history where there's not enough evidence to prove something, but yet everyone knows what happened.

_Whimsical_

Wibbs wrote: »

Whatever about the truth in this tragic case, I would disagree with you there NB. Once a lie becomes established and the longer it becomes established as the truth in our memories, the more real it becomes. This is pretty well researched. Memory, especially such emotive memory becomes fact very easily. Doubly so if said memory is a defence against an even more emotive and self damaging truth.

I very much doubt that this is established through research in instances of death of one's own child. There's no way anyone who murdered or found their child dead has gone on to pretend to themselves that their child was abducted and murdered.

There is no evidence to suggest that the parents were involved. There is copious evidence to establish as fact that the police investigation was horribly bungled by a police force who jumped to the conclusion the parents did it. There is also lots of evidence that the media jumped on the gravy train and spewed out months of fabrication around the parents being responsible.
Personally I think anyone who has an absolute notion of what happened is a bit of an idiot happy to confuse supposition with fact. If there wasn't a missing child in the middle of it or a grieving family it wouldn't so bad but when there is I'd think people would have the grace to respect the evidence, or lack of, and keep an open mind.

Dep!

Dep! wrote: »

I came across a series of great documentaries about her on Youtube this week and it is hard to ignore some of the evidence it puts forward.

Lolololllolllolllllllololololllol

KERSPLAT!

Dep! wrote: »

Are you going to keep wheeling that one out?

There have been many events in history where there's not enough evidence to prove something, but yet everyone knows what happened.

You know they were involved or you think they were involved?

If you know can you pass your evidence on to the authorities, I'm sure they'd be very interested. Unless it's all hear say and unsubstantiated horse ****e

deco nate

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I very much doubt that this is established through research in instances of death of one's own child. There's no way anyone who murdered or found their child dead has gone on to pretend to themselves that their child was abducted and murdered.

There is no evidence to suggest that the parents were involved. There is copious evidence to establish as fact that the police investigation was horribly bungled by a police force who jumped to the conclusion the parents did it. There is also lots of evidence that the media jumped on the gravy train and spewed out months of fabrication around the parents being responsible.
Personally I think anyone who has an absolute notion of what happened is a bit of an idiot happy to confuse supposition with fact. If there wasn't a missing child in the middle of it or a grieving family it wouldn't so bad but when there is I'd think people would have the grace to respect the evidence, or lack of, and keep an open mind.

you just contradicted yourself in this post

IvySlayer

The night before she went missing Madeleine was crying because she couldn't find Kate.

They were rumours they were sedating their kids, dunno about that but it would not surprise me.

I believe Maddy woke up looking for her parents, fell down the steps and died. Gerry then dumped the body.

We may never know what happened

MilesMorales1

In my opinion, the parents did. But I have no evidence one way or the other, so innocent till proven guilty, etc.

NachoBusiness

The view of an expert in lying:

Dr Sharon Leal - Clinical Psychologist.

My current research focuses on the behavioural and physiological effects of cognitive load during deception. This research is very relevant for detecting how people engaged in ‘high stake’ deception respond verbally, non-verbally and physiologically. My work involves cooperation with national and international governments and police. I am a member of the European consortium of Psychological Research on Deception Detection (E-prodd). The consortium utilises cutting edge research from laboratories across Europe to optimise the detection of deception in serious crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EyT-7Zi5HM

jay-me

What a horribly depressing discussion for a Saturday night. None the less the sniffer dogs did it for me and I firmly believe the parents were involved and the poor child is dead. I'd say one of them will break before they die and let the world know!

Dep!

IvySlayer wrote: »

I believe Maddy woke up looking for her parents, fell down the steps and died. Gerry then dumped the body.

I cant remember the cadaver dogs smelling a corpse at any steps but behind the sofa at the window still and in the boot of the car they certainly did.

_Whimsical_

deco nate wrote: »

you just contradicted yourself in this post

Where ? I said there's no evidence to suggest the parents were involved, not that they weren't, although a lack of evidence in my view makes it unlikely. There's a difference between stating an opinion as probability v's opinion as absolute fact.

kettlehead

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

For me, this is hugely significant.
When my kids are away and i miss them, a sniff of a bear is very comforting.

Was there ever a reason offered why she did it?

Grief and worry make people do irrational things. She could have wanted her teddy to be nice and clean, ready for her when she came back.

RayM

IvySlayer wrote: »

They were rumours they were sedating their kids, dunno about that but it would not surprise me.

I believe Maddy woke up looking for her parents, fell down the steps and died. Gerry then dumped the body.

We may never know what happened

Exactly, we don't know. But let's not allow that to get in the way of a bit of idle speculation.

MilesMorales1 wrote:

In my opinion, the parents did. But I have no evidence one way or the other, so innocent till proven guilty, etc.

Probably best to at least have some evidence before forming the opinion that they killed their daughter, Columbo.

the_pen_turner

I don't think any of us here claim to know what happened as fact . we are just speculating on what we see and the information that is show in the media.

I hope madaline is alive and being looked after but all the information point to it being the parents responsible.

I could be wrong but something isn't right about the parents . even from day one I didn't believe them for some reason. I didn't know about the washing of the teddy, that is really suspicious .

Azalea

Dep! wrote: »

None of it is enough to put them in prison no.

But thats where they should be.

You can have all the opinions in the world that they did it, which you are entitled to - and maybe they did, but until it can be proven, they are innocent, and they should not be in jail.

I have no idea what happened. Perhaps the parents did it, but I have just as much reason to believe that they did not do it at all. Although their choice to go for a meal without a babysitter watching the children is dreadful. They have paid the ultimate price though.

deco nate

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Where ? I said there's no evidence to suggest the parents were involved, not that they weren't, although a lack of evidence in my view makes it unlikely. There's a difference between stating an opinion as probability v's opinion as absolute fact.

Keep an open mind, your post suggests you already have made you're mind up.