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If you have half an hour this- http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/485/1/holdenj7.pdf is a good analysis of drainage on bog/wetlands.
A brief summary is that the peat type and drainage technique used were important determinants of outcome.Decreases in flood and annual runoff may come about
following drainage because of a reduction in hydraulic conductivity, loss of surface runoff by storage in the upper peat layers, flow loss by storage on soil slopes and depressions caused by subsidence, increased evaporation related to changes in vegetation and use of sluices or canals which store water and increase evaporation.
Flow increases may have been caused by increased direct precipitation in drainage channels, temporary flow increases by straightening, deepening and clearance of vegetation from streams and ditches, decreased evapotranspiration from drained but uncultivated land, an increase in surface and groundwater slopes, an increase in exposure of previously confined aquifers and artesian waters and increased drainage of previously closed marshy systems.
So, I agree to disagree but both sides appear to be correct.
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When that was highlighted as blatantly wrong....No raise bog destroyed here.
It's spelled out how it's related to flooding.Can't see how that's got to do with this flooding
As you said yourself, the problem with flooding doesn't come directly from "your area" but 20+ miles away and then affects other areas.So as far as I'm concerned in my area
Everybody "cutting a little bit of turf" on already endangered boglands is the problem.this so called massive destruction of bog land that we are doing by cutting our own little bit of turf isn't causing all these floods.
What?Now cap from your past history
I know your a campaigner to have all bogs closed I'm not but If your going to have to resort to getting personal, at least get the facts right.
"Nonsense" - well documented facts you just don't want to agree with.but you'll have to get a better stick than that nonsense.
Well then, with logic like that whats left to discussEnough said.
True but if the overall size of the sponge is decreased and the drainage off it is increased too much then it's capacity to hold water and let it off in a controlled manner is drastically affected. We've had it here locally when lads go in to "improve" the bog. drains everywhere that pushes the problem a mile down the road and the road crossing drains to the river can't handle the sudden deluge.pedigree 6 wrote: »You're calling the bogs a sponge.
If the sponge is full of water and not allowed dry out then water will just run off anyway.
As above; the drains they're blocking were a lot like the "improvement drains" dug around here and they are now trying to undo the work. Then there are the "drains" in places like Sussex across southern England, the drains the are blocking are lower than river levels so are being closed to stop water draining out of the rivers back up inland.pedigree 6 wrote: »In England they're blocking drains and the sponge is constantly full of water so any rain that falls just runs off or creates a landslide.
True as well, the bogs aren't a magic source to fully alleviate the amount of water that fell and is still coming down.pedigree 6 wrote: »I think our sponges were already full of water before this rain came.
Thats the ideal situation. A few bob in the paw of the local elected official will skirt that problem.pedigree 6 wrote: »What needs to happen is any land flooded now should be mapped and then don't allow any new buildings on this land or if they want to build, raise the height of the buildings above the flood level and add on a bit higher to be sure.0 -
Suckler half that post wasn't aimed at you if you read it again.You cant multi post on a phone so we have to do the best we can
If you read my post above you would see that our bog is self containing all water remains in it and nothing floods somewhere else from its waters as all drains lead back into an used section of it. Nothing comes out of it. Maybe a small amount over time like you say into the lough that a section borders but that's it.
Can't speak for all bogs but can speak for our own which I'm doing. To say all bogs being cut for turf are resulting in flooding is madness. Maybe some are and im not going to argue that. Bord no mona bogs most def I'd say but don't be beating us all with the same stick is what I'm getting at.
You keep going on about nure bog is 95% destroyed. That was from agriculture and not turf cutting this would have been done possibly a hundred years ago. Most of it is still there under the grass as nothing but sheep are grazed on that area.
I'm not disagreeing that the area of nure is only 5% of what it once was as it more than likely is but we don't flood because we are cutting on it.
I don't like arguing with people but I don't like when people make broad statements about things. God knows why I'm even talking about this as it half ruined my childhood but it was very important to the way of life here to the auld folk so I feel a little annoyed when I see posters trying to tarish them with the likes of bord na mona when they spent thier lifes keeping the banks clean and rubbish free as bogs always attract fly tippers for some reason.
Bord na mona Now there's an organisation that had ravaged the landscape you only need to look at the bog in rhode. Disgraceful.
Anyways lads we are getting way off topic here so let's say we agree to disagree0 -
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With the rain this evening and torrential rain forecast for the south and midlands this weekend, it looks like this flooding will be worse or already is worse than 2009. I heard Mairead Lavery on newstalk today telling any farmers if they were going into the floods what with limited daylight to wear hi vis clothing and to carry their phones and tell people where they were going.
It looks like its getting beyond serious now.
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