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Female Judge assaulted at family law court - Please see post #96.

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  • #62
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    Five pages of jumping to conclusions again AHers
    Elderly parents seeking a protection order against their intellectually disabled son
    Son kicked off in court, attacked the Judge
    A family tragedy
    Nothing more, nothing less


  • #63
    Diamond Doll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Diamond Doll


    Dolphin House is a feckin awful place. I'd never heard of the place, or known of it's existence, until recently. And I wish I'd never had to get to know it. But I've an almost two-year-old, and am no longer with his dad. And it's not an amicable arrangment.

    Dolphin House ... it's the saddest grimmest environment. I don't think any family member ever leaves the place happy with the outcome.

    I don't envy the judges jobs in these cases. I hope the judge in question recovers well and soon.


  • #64
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Hmmmm.
    I'd rather wait and see why the person attacked the judge to pass a comment.

    While they might be some scumbag they might just be a regular person who lost it when told their kids were to be taken or away or something. It is a family court. Best to get the facts in.


  • #65
    [Deleted User]
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    haveringchick wrote: »
    Five pages of jumping to conclusions again AHers
    Elderly parents seeking a protection order against their intellectually disabled son
    Son kicked off in court, attacked the Judge
    A family tragedy
    Nothing more, nothing less

    I don't think anyone assumed it was anything other than a very difficult situation, a father fighting for access, a wife looking to bar her husband, or parents seeking a protection order, a child being taken into care...there are very few applications in family law courts that don't involve a tragedy.


  • #66
    WHIP IT!
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't think anyone assumed it was anything other than a very difficult situation, a father fighting for access, a wife looking to bar her husband, or parents seeking a protection order, a child being taken into care...there are very few applications in family law courts that don't involve a tragedy.

    You should go back and look at some of your own posts in the thread, Skin :D


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  • #67
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I don't think anyone assumed it was anything other than a very difficult situation, a father fighting for access, a wife looking to bar her husband, or parents seeking a protection order, a child being taken into care...there are very few applications in family law courts that don't involve a tragedy.

    No. everyone assumed it was a father seeking access/custody of minors and that the attacker was a thug


  • #68
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    As a father you can take my home my job my car all my money but try and take away me seeing my kids everyday

    Don't know what happened but it might have been the last straw for that man


  • #69
    [Deleted User]
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    haveringchick wrote: »
    No. everyone assumed it was a father seeking access/custody of minors and that the attacker was a thug

    I don't think anything hinges on the fact that the alleged perp was the son of the applicants, as opposed to the spouse or indeed a parent in say a maintenance matter.

    The disability might be relevant if he suffered from diminished responsibility.


  • #70
    Diamond Doll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Diamond Doll


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    As a father you can take my home my job my car all my money but try and take away me seeing my kids everyday

    Don't know what happened but it might have been the last straw for that man

    As a mother, sometimes compromise is for the best. Sometimes the child has to come first, and realistically, there is rarely an outcome where both parents get to spend time with the child every day.


  • #71
    questionmark?
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    Considering everyone knows that kicking someone in the head can and does kill, it should be treated as attempted murder.

    Don't care what he was going through there is no excuse for what he done.


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  • #72
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    questionmark? wrote: »
    Considering everyone knows that kicking someone in the head can and does kill, it should be treated as attempted murder.

    Don't care what he was going through there is no excuse for what he done.
    He's intellectually disabled


  • #73
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Diamond Doll wrote: »
    As a mother, sometimes compromise is for the best. Sometimes the child has to come first, and realistically, there is rarely an outcome where both parents get to spend time with the child every day.

    Child always come first but access should be 50/50 if possible


  • #74
    Hijpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,471 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    I wonder did she aggravate the matter with some Judge Judy quips?


  • #75
    glued
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    Diamond Doll wrote: »
    As a mother, sometimes compromise is for the best. Sometimes the child has to come first, and realistically, there is rarely an outcome where both parents get to spend time with the child every day.

    No, our laws just assume that the child is better off with the mother. I know it's nothing to do with child custody in this case but it is only a matter of time before something like this happens in court over a divorce or custody case. It's an extremely unfair and frustrating experience for men in the Family Court.


  • #76
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-taken-away-in-ambulance-after-being-attacked-in-dublin-court-34279636.html


  • #77
    questionmark?
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    haveringchick wrote: »
    He's intellectually disabled

    Didn't see that in the OP. Link won't work on my phone so went solely on what was wrote in the OP.


  • #78
    asteroids over berlin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭asteroids over berlin


    haveringchick wrote: »
    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-taken-away-in-ambulance-after-being-attacked-in-dublin-court-34279636.html

    Jaysus, crazy circumstances there, probably submitted into physchiatric care if anything".


  • #79
    Jawgap
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Child always come first but access should be 50/50 if possible

    I think access should be such that the best interests of the child or children are promoted.

    Any interference with arrangements should be attract a sanctionnot from the courts, not their indulgence.

    Parenting should definitely be shared.


  • #80
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    asteroids over berlin wrote: »
    Jaysus, crazy circumstances there, probably submitted into physchiatric care if anything".

    He wouldn't be psychiatric
    He'd be what we used to describe as "mentally handicapped "
    The parents have probably struggled with him at home for years and now they're getting frail and he's too much to physically handle


  • #81
    [Deleted User]
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    glued wrote: »
    No, our laws just assume that the child is better off with the mother. I know it's nothing to do with child custody in this case but it is only a matter of time before something like this happens in court over a divorce or custody case. It's an extremely unfair and frustrating experience for men in the Family Court.

    Not just our laws.

    In many countries the law favours women in cases involving children. Which is understandable in the cases of young children, it becomes less relevant as they grow. In many countries this is underpinned by matters such as maternity leave, there is no presumption that men and women are the exact same.


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  • #82
    ford2600
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    Steppenwolfe wrote: »
    He must be some class of scumbag to do that in a family court.

    He must have been a joy to live with.

    Doubt today was the first day he crossed "you don't hit a woman line".

    What a cnut


  • #83
    XR3i
    Site Banned Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭XR3i


    the judges are gonna eat him for breakfast

    1 million years


  • #84
    Knine
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    glued wrote: »
    No, our laws just assume that the child is better off with the mother. I know it's nothing to do with child custody in this case but it is only a matter of time before something like this happens in court over a divorce or custody case. It's an extremely unfair and frustrating experience for men in the Family Court.

    And for women....... it goes both ways. I'm sitting at home now. Had a birthday night out planned with friends, a very rare night out. My ex has just cancelled his access again. He regularly cancels it, whenever it suits him. I can do nothing about it. The law is on his side as I would be in breach of a court order if I refused access - yet he cancels time & time again with no repercusions. This is the same 'daddy' that tells everyone he never gets to see his child. LOL there is definitely 2 sides to every story.


  • #85
    foggy_lad
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    haveringchick wrote: »
    He wouldn't be psychiatric
    He'd be what we used to describe as "mentally handicapped "
    The parents have probably struggled with him at home for years and now they're getting frail and he's too much to physically handle

    The kind of family group that gets absolutely no help or respite from the state until the parents have died and the "mentally handicapped adult" becomes a ward of the state.


  • #86
    Roger Hassenforder
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    Knine wrote: »
    And for women....... it goes both ways. I'm sitting at home now. Had a birthday night out planned with friends, a very rare night out. My ex has just cancelled his access again. He regularly cancels it, whenever it suits him. I can do nothing about it. The law is on his side as I would be in breach of a court order if I refused access - yet he cancels time & time again with no repercusions. This is the same 'daddy' that tells everyone he never gets to see his child. LOL there is definitely 2 sides to every story.


    i hear similar horror stories from both sexes at work about their respective partners. Awful, there's no winners. Reason seems to go out the window.
    Wouldn't wish it on anyone some of what goes on.


  • #87
    [Deleted User]
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    Knine wrote: »
    And for women....... it goes both ways. I'm sitting at home now. Had a birthday night out planned with friends, a very rare night out. My ex has just cancelled his access again. He regularly cancels it, whenever it suits him. I can do nothing about it. The law is on his side as I would be in breach of a court order if I refused access - yet he cancels time & time again with no repercusions. This is the same 'daddy' that tells everyone he never gets to see his child. LOL there is definitely 2 sides to every story.

    Keep a diary, make a note of what happened, or make notes on a calendar...will be very useful if he seeks to increase access in the future and you have details of all the times he failed to turn up.


  • #88
    Knine
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    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    i hear similar horror stories from both sexes at work about their respective partners. Awful, there's no winners. Reason seems to go out the window.
    Wouldn't wish it on anyone some of what goes on.

    My child has a very severe disability but she marks on her little calender when her daddy is due to take her. Her little heart is broke today. It is very difficult trying to explain to her that he won't be collecting her.

    The people who say the family courts are pro mother have probably spent very little time in one. You see if I went back to court No Judge can force him to be a proper father. He will however put on a great daddy display in front of his family & friends. The reality is far different. If you were a friend of his he would probably be lamenting about how he never gets to see his child.

    The real losers are the children


  • #89
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    ford2600 wrote: »
    He must have been a joy to live with.

    Doubt today was the first day he crossed "you don't hit a woman line".

    What a cnut

    Doubt you've ready any of this thread


  • #90
    WHIP IT!
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    Knine wrote: »
    And for women....... it goes both ways. I'm sitting at home now. Had a birthday night out planned with friends, a very rare night out. My ex has just cancelled his access again. He regularly cancels it, whenever it suits him. I can do nothing about it. The law is on his side as I would be in breach of a court order if I refused access - yet he cancels time & time again with no repercusions. This is the same 'daddy' that tells everyone he never gets to see his child. LOL there is definitely 2 sides to every story.

    Yep, and we've just heard your side...

    Having a casual pop at unmarried fathers is one of the last remaining acceptable forms of prejudice in modern society... hopefully not forever...


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  • #91
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    The kind of family group that gets absolutely no help or respite from the state until the parents have died and the "mentally handicapped adult" becomes a ward of the state.

    This is true
    These people are the real heroes, struggling in silence for years, often shunned by society because people don't know how to deal or react to a child in a mans body
    I've heard some terrible stories
    On the other hand if they let him be taken into "care" they have the shadow of Aras Attracta hanging over them and often the disapproval of family and neighbors
    It's a tough life


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