Female Judge assaulted at family law court - Please see post #96.

NachoBusiness

Mayhem down in Dolphin House apparently..

Female judge assaulted at family law courts in Dublin

A Female District Court judge has been assaulted during a court sitting in Dublin's Temple Bar.

The incident happened during a case before the family law courts at around lunchtime.

The judge was taken to hospital as a result of the incident but has since been discharged, and her injuries are not believed to be serious.

The Courts Service says security systems were put in place, and gardaí were also present in the court.

One person has been arrested and brought to Pearse Street garda station.

How the hell would something like that occur. Is there security for judges in that court?

omahaid

Oho, they'll be no suspended sentence for that!

Stheno

She's been released and is not seriously hurt thankfully.

Family court can be a contentious place.

NachoBusiness

Independent reporting that she may have been kicked in the head.

It is understood that the male attacker was giving evidence during a case when he attacked the judge, possibly kicking her in the head before he was stopped.

Course they do use the word "possibly" as the age old get out clause if wrong.

seamus

NachoBusiness wrote: »

How the hell would something like that occur. Is there security for judges in that court?

You have to remember that no-one in that court is a prisoner or on trial for any offences. So anyone giving testimony can't be restrained or cuffed.

Not beyond the realms of possibility that someone is quick enough to get a smack in at the judge before the Gardai can get hold of them.

Ally Dick

Give the perpetrator 5 years for that. That's what I'd like to see, but it's the usual old excuses of no prison spaces available, person had a hard upbringing, suspended sentence, nice little earner for barristers, judges not living in the real world etc etc

donvito99

Whenever I hear of any story involving an assault with a kick to the head I squirm. Any old blow to a myriad of places there can mean death, it sadly happens too often to people involved in scraps on nights out.

Ally Dick

Is Temple Bar becoming the most dangerous place in Dublin ? Seems to be nothing but assaults of late

I mean.. whatever about assault in general and lenient sentences.. is a judge going to be lenient if they're the person being assaulted? I really doubt that'd be the case.

Steppenwolfe

He must be some class of scumbag to do that in a family court.

jamesbere

I'd say the book will be thrown at the person, assaulting judge will not go down well in their little circle.

Ally Dick

Steppenwolfe wrote: »

He must be some class of scumbag to do that in a family court.

They were probably taking the children off him, and rightly so !

One eyed Jack

The guy is in family court... and he assaults the judge?

What sort of a... is he at all?

snubbleste

I thought the family courts were held in camera and nothing could be reported. nothing!

cichlid child

Ally Dick wrote: »

Give the perpetrator 5 years for that. That's what I'd like to see, but it's the usual old excuses of no prison spaces available, person had a hard upbringing, suspended sentence, nice little earner for barristers, judges not living in the real world etc etc

I don't think a judge will take to kindly to someone kicking another judge in the head,

SEPT 23 1989

I presume a slap on the wrist is all they will get just like any other citizen who is the victim of assault in the city

biko

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The guy is in family court... and he assaults the judge?
What sort of a... is he at all?

We'll see him on a ledge somewhere in a batman suit before long.
"Dey took ma keeds!!"

snubbleste

snubbleste wrote: »

I thought the family courts were held in camera and nothing could be reported. nothing!

No, reporting now allowed as long as parties not identified...

http://www.thejournal.ie/new-in-camera-law-courts-family-child-ireland-1261767-Jan2014/

Pretty shocking stuff though. Assaulting a Judge is fairly unheard of. Family Court can be highly charged, very often there are outbursts and clients have to be told to shut up by their Solicitors, but this goes way way beyond that.

Hitchens

it just gets worse and worse

mzungu

cichlid child wrote: »

I don't think a judge will take to kindly to someone kicking another judge in the head,

Thats the problem right there, judges should not be soft on anybody who kicks somebody in the head, no matter who they are. There was a case a few months back where some fella did a ten step run before kicking another chap in the head, and he ended up with a wrap on the knuckles. That kind of thing needs to be met with a stiff sentence.

omahaid

mzungu wrote: »

Thats the problem right there, judges should not be soft on anybody who kicks somebody in the head, no matter who they are. There was a case a few months back where some fella did a ten step run before kicking another chap in the head, and he ended up with was a wrap on the knuckles. That kind of thing needs to be met with a stiff sentence.

If these lads got a suspended sentence then...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/dublin-men-who-stomped-on-head-of-victim-both-get-suspended-jail-sentence-1.2024449

Spanish Eyes

Would there be any possiblity that the man was kicked down himself at every opportunity.

He may have tried to get access/custody but was stymied by the ex with barring orders to boost the case.

I look on the man as being heartbroken. He probably adores his kids but is denied all that he wants to do for them.

There are two sides to ever story. Sad end to this, he will suffer now.

Hitchens

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would there be any possiblity that the man was kicked down himself at every opportunity.

He may have tried to get access/custody but was stymied by the ex with barring orders to boost the case.

I look on the man as being heartbroken. He probably adores his kids but is denied all that he wants to do for them.

There are two sides to ever story. Sad end to this, he will suffer now.

so the best response is to kick someone in the head? (if, of course, it happened like that)

Stheno

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would there be any possiblity that the man was kicked down himself at every opportunity.

He may have tried to get access/custody but was stymied by the ex with barring orders to boost the case.

I look on the man as being heartbroken. He probably adores his kids but is denied all that he wants to do for them.

There are two sides to ever story. Sad end to this, he will suffer now.

How does that justify kicking a judge in the head?

Junkyard Tom

Hitchens wrote: »

it just gets worse and worse

No it doesn't.

Assaults causing harm were down by 6.2 per cent or almost 200 incidents, over the same period. The figures show a sharp drop in sexual offences (down 5.3 per cent), including a fall by almost a fifth in rapes (down by 101 incidents).

irishtimes.com

Green Peter

Bet he was out on bail when he did it!

imitation

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would there be any possiblity that the man was kicked down himself at every opportunity.

He may have tried to get access/custody but was stymied by the ex with barring orders to boost the case.

I look on the man as being heartbroken. He probably adores his kids but is denied all that he wants to do for them.

There are two sides to ever story. Sad end to this, he will suffer now.

Sure there is, but there is also the possibilty he is like the fella who stabbed his ex wife in front of his own kids, I guess this one might take a while to find out if the courtcase has to be concluded.

Tasden

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would there be any possiblity that the man was kicked down himself at every opportunity.

He may have tried to get access/custody but was stymied by the ex with barring orders to boost the case.

I look on the man as being heartbroken. He probably adores his kids but is denied all that he wants to do for them.

There are two sides to ever story. Sad end to this, he will suffer now.

I adore my kid. I've been kicked down at every opportunity when it comes to legal issues with my ex. Yes, the shoe is on the other foot in that i am lucky enough to be the sole carer and see my kid all the time, but the frustration and heartbreak is felt the same. And in all my times of frustration and disappointment for my child I've never resorted to violence.

esforum

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would there be any possiblity that the man was kicked down himself at every opportunity.

He may have tried to get access/custody but was stymied by the ex with barring orders to boost the case.

I look on the man as being heartbroken. He probably adores his kids but is denied all that he wants to do for them.

There are two sides to ever story. Sad end to this, he will suffer now.

and that folks, your bleeding heart let em off right there

Roger Hassenforder

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would there be any possiblity that the man was kicked down himself at every opportunity.

He may have tried to get access/custody but was stymied by the ex with barring orders to boost the case.

I look on the man as being heartbroken. He probably adores his kids but is denied all that he wants to do for them.

There are two sides to ever story. Sad end to this, he will suffer now.

It was a cry for help; he's the victim!

omahaid

I'd be shocked if he sees any jail time considering these lads got a suspended sentence

Two Dublin men who “stomped” on the head of their victim while he was lying on the ground, leaving him with a serious head injury, have avoided a jail term.

The victim, Philip O’Hanlon, (27), was later treated for a clot in his brain. He spent a total of 20 days being treated in three different hospitals, was out of work for a year and is still on anti-seizure medication.

“The victim’s head was on the kerb and four people were stamping on his head,” this person told gardaí. The witness said they could see Mr O’Hanlon’s eyes rolling in his head and thought he was going to die.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

He may have tried to get access/custody but was stymied by the ex with barring orders to boost the case.

Possibly...but then again it sounds like any allegation based on violent tendencies has just been pretty much vindicated...

One eyed Jack

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would there be any possiblity that the man was kicked down himself at every opportunity.

He may have tried to get access/custody but was stymied by the ex with barring orders to boost the case.

I look on the man as being heartbroken. He probably adores his kids but is denied all that he wants to do for them.

There are two sides to ever story. Sad end to this, he will suffer now.

I presume when you ask of the possibility of the man being kicked down at every opportunity, you're speaking metaphorically? It's certainly possible alright, but given that he went so far as to assault the judge (as Nacho pointed out it's only being reported as a possibility that he kicked the judge in the head), what do you think that will do for his chances to do anything for his kids that he adores and would do anything for them?

There's two sides to every story alright I grant you, but what did he think assaulting the judge was ever going to do? It leaves him in an even worse position than before!

omahaid

omahaid wrote: »

I'd be shocked if he sees any jail time considering these lads got a suspended sentence

There is a difference in assaulting a Judge. It should be put on a higher level than assaults on Gardai, ambulance personnel etc.

Little CuChulainn

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would there be any possiblity that the man was kicked down himself at every opportunity.

He may have tried to get access/custody but was stymied by the ex with barring orders to boost the case.

I look on the man as being heartbroken. He probably adores his kids but is denied all that he wants to do for them.

There are two sides to ever story. Sad end to this, he will suffer now.

On the other hand, he may be a horrible person who has no business being a carer for kids and the courts are the only thing keeping the kids from this evil man.

screamer

Scumbag. He will get a sentence for this cant be assaulting judges he will be made an example of and rightly so. But if he'd kicked any of us mere mortals in the head he'd probably get away with it and the judge would go easy on him. They'll throw the book at him for this when one of them is the victim and that's what's wrong in Ireland one rule for the inner circles and another ruke for the ordinary Joes.

Bullocks

screamer wrote: »

Scumbag. He will get a sentence for this cant be assaulting judges he will be made an example of and rightly so. But if he'd kicked any of us mere mortals in the head he'd probably get away with it and the judge would go easy on him. They'll throw the book at him for this when one of them is the victim and that's what's wrong in Ireland one rule for the inner circles and another ruke for the ordinary Joes.

Might give the judge an insight into what it's like to get a kick in the head and she will hand out better sentences to other head kickers in the future . It's a nil wind

Bullocks

Bullocks wrote: »

Might give the judge an insight into what it's like to get a kick in the head and she will hand out better sentences to other head kickers in the future . It's a nil wind

Surgeons should be cut open every now and again too. And dentists have a tooth drilled and a nerve hit. Just to keep them all on their toes.

Captain Chaos

Deleted User wrote: »

Surgeons should be cut open every now and again too. And dentists have a tooth drilled and a nerve hit. Just to keep them all on their toes.

Think you missed the point. It's about judges in this country handing out slaps on the wrist for serious offences.

Surgeons and dentists do their jobs just fine most of the time.

Little CuChulainn

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a difference in assaulting a Judge. It should be put on a higher level than assaults on Gardai, ambulance personnel etc.

Why?

Little CuChulainn

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Why?

Because it's their job to protect and serve the public and out themselves in tense situations to do so. So the murder of a Garda in the line of duty is particularly abhorrent, an attack on an ambulance is not the same as an attack on a Hiace etc.

Captain Chaos

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Think you missed the point. It's about judges in this country handing out slaps on the wrist for serious offences.

Surgeons and dentists do their jobs just fine most of the time.

There is no suggestion this Judge was not doing her job "just fine".

Either way, attacking a Judge has no upside. Does this Judge even deal with criminal cases?

Little CuChulainn

Deleted User wrote: »

Because it's their job to protect and serve the public and out themselves in tense situations to do so. So the murder of a Garda in the line of duty is particularly abhorrent, an attack on an ambulance is not the same as an attack on a Hiace etc.

Right, but why should an attack on a judge be considered worse again? You said an attack on a judge should be on a higher level than an attack on emergency services.

screamer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because it's their job to protect and serve the public and out themselves in tense situations to do so. So the murder of a Garda in the line of duty is particularly abhorrent, an attack on an ambulance is not the same as an attack on a Hiace etc.

I agree with the sentiment but there's something very animal farmish about that way of thinking. Assaulting anyone no matter their status profession or background should attract a good punishment. Having a 2 tier system is not a good idea.

rolliepoley

They clear the court room in Dolphin house when there is a case is been heard.

Little CuChulainn

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Right, but why should an attack on a judge be considered worse again? You said an attack on a judge should be on a higher level than an attack on emergency services.

Because of their job.

Hence the murder of Giovanni Falcone hit international headlines.

If Judges are going to have to factor in the possibility of being attacked, then it strikes at the very heart of law and order. The deterrence must be great.

Roger Hassenforder

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because of their job.

Hence the murder of Giovanni Falcone hit international headlines.

If Judges are going to have to factor in the possibility of being attacked, then it strikes at the very heart of law and order. The deterrence must be great.

In the main, I agree with you, no one should have to endure a kick in the head, particularly those in the public service.
That said everyone should fear the consequences of kicking anyone in the head. To assault someone and get the proverbial slap on the wrist is unacceptable.

However, there would be a delicious irony if this gentleman ( let's not forget he hasn't been convicted of anything as your peers will argue) was on bail when this happened. It's regretful a judge was exposed to the physical conditions others trying to uphold public order endure regularly without appropriate disincentives from the courts.

Strumms

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Would there be any possiblity that the man was kicked down himself at every opportunity.

He may have tried to get access/custody but was stymied by the ex with barring orders to boost the case.

I look on the man as being heartbroken. He probably adores his kids but is denied all that he wants to do for them.

There are two sides to ever story. Sad end to this, he will suffer now.

There is a possibility of anything. Like the rest of us who encounter difficulties, disappointment and injustice from time to time in life but don't resort to kicking people in the head. But justify away.

Into The Blue

Why do they keep emphasising that the judge was female?Thought in this day and age that would be irrevalant.

Shïtty thing to do to anybody.

Mesrine65

Where's FaceKicker when you need him? :rolleyes:

Stinicker

Considering the way family law in Ireland is completely biased against Men and completely in favour of women something like this was sure to happen eventually.