Illegal to slap a child

namloc1980 · 11-12-2015 04:29PM

golfball37 wrote: »

Nanny State in action yet again. My wife and I don't believe in doing it with our children but sometimes it is very necessary, a small smack on the bum is far more effective than parenting by some guru book I've found, but only in extreme circumstances.

Its absolutely none of the state's business what goes on in a family home.

None of their business? So the state and it's services should turn a blind eye and ignore domestic violence and abuse which happens in the home?

Penny Tration · 11-12-2015 04:32PM

Hermy wrote: »

So I was beaten post the ban.
Anyone know if it's possible to take legal action all these years later?

So was I, by a junior infants teacher in 1994. Statute of limitations is long since out on that one

Penny Tration · 11-12-2015 04:34PM

golfball37 wrote: »

Nanny State in action yet again. My wife and I don't believe in doing it with our children but sometimes it is very necessary, a small smack on the bum is far more effective than parenting by some guru book I've found, but only in extreme circumstances.

Its absolutely none of the state's business what goes on in a family home.

Would you smack your wife if she did something you didn't like?

I assume you would because you obviously think domestic abuse is fine to be inflicted upon others.

lukesmom · 11-12-2015 04:35PM

Sit down with your toddler, ask them how they are feeling, then give them some time to meditate mindfully before grabbing a veggie juice and a sugar free, butter free, gluten free oatcake....

Feck off! A little smack on the ars* is more effective.

Jawgap · 11-12-2015 04:36PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

Would you smack your wife if she did something you didn't like?

I assume you would because you obviously think domestic abuse is fine to be inflicted upon others.

Ah yeah, immediately assume all domestic violence is male originated :rolleyes:

Why do you assume the poster is male? Do women not hit?

_Kaiser_ · 11-12-2015 04:37PM

More ridiculous nanny state-ism from a Government that lately only seems to be interested in populist moves that appeal to the liberal overly-sensitive types that inhabit social media... oh right, there's an election coming!

I grew up in the 70s and 80s and while my mam had it pretty easy with me (boring quiet sod that I was/am

), I did occasionally get a smack when I pushed it too far and all it did was teach me a healthy respect for her/the rules that I see lacking in many kids and teenagers now. The reality is that you cannot reason with a child the same as you would with an adult, and there are times when it would be completely stupid to try and do so (such as when they're putting themselves in imminent danger). Asking them to pause for a chat and agree an action plan would be just nonsense!

The problem here is that the type of people I referred to in the opening line seem to be more intent on hysterics and idiotic comparisons to actual child abuse or assault - which in fact diminishes the severity of such cases.

On a COMPLETE tangent - but you can see where it starts from - it's this sort of soft weak mentality that has us (Western "enlightened" Europe) completely unable to effectively deal with the "bold children" (ISIS) that are causing such havoc and tragedy this year.

11-12-2015 04:37PM

I am being slightly tongue in cheek with this.

What works best with disciplined children over the age of 7 or 8 is the following, saying the immortal words........ you have let my down!!!....., now this needs to be done in cretin way do not get cross or angry with them act normal, small sigh for dramatic effect.

For the vast majority of normal children this results in them flinging themselves in to your arms sobbing, saying I love you and I am sorry, hard cases might last a few hours before the guilt overwhelms them.

Penny Tration · 11-12-2015 04:37PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Ah yeah, immediately assume all domestic violence is male originated :rolleyes:

Why do you assume the poster is male? Do women not hit?

Wtf. Mate he mentioned his WIFE.

I'm fully aware that female on male DV is a huge issue and one which is not even nearly catered enough for with the DV resources

smash · 11-12-2015 04:38PM

lukesmom wrote: »

Sit down with your toddler, ask them how they are feeling, then give them some time to meditate mindfully before grabbing a veggie juice and a sugar free, butter free, gluten free oatcake....

Feck off! A little smack on the ars* is more effective.

She knows!

*smacks arse on the way out of thread.

:pac:

Jawgap · 11-12-2015 04:39PM

mariaalice wrote: »

I am being slightly tongue in cheek with this.

What works best with disciplined children over the age of 7 or 8 is the following, saying the immortal words........ you have let my down!!!....., now this needs to be done in cretin way do not get cross or angry with them act normal, small sigh for dramatic effect.

For the vast majority of normal children this results in them flinging themselves in to your arm sobbing, saying I love you and I am sorry, hard cases might last a few hours before the guilt overwhelm them.

When mine were that age, the most effective words were......"because of your behaviour I have changed the wifi password, you will get one letter of it for every good deed you do over the next 24 hours!":D

Paramite Pie · 11-12-2015 04:40PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

If you have to resort to violence against someone smaller than you who can't fight back, you're a bad parent.

It's not actually violence anymore than a high-five is. People 'slap' their hands together all the time (high five, clapping etc..)

A wee 'slap' on a padded nappy needn't hurt - it's simply a sensation. It's psychological. Young kids don't understand concepts like right or wrong - but they can pick up 'taboos'.

draiochtanois wrote: »

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Such a simplistic ****e... Kids will push and test boundaries - kids will always misbehave. It's a natural age to do so - and one of the most important ages for discipline.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Parents who resort to smacking their kids have basically admitted they aren't able to control a toddler through communication and logic and have to resort to violence or the threat thereof.

Logic? Toddlers? Right..........:rolleyes:

Toddlers are proven to not understand the link between their actions and arbitrary disciplines like 'no desert' or 'turning off the tv' (mammy or daddy is just being mean in their eyes).
They don't understand why they're slapped either but they do know which action led to it from the sensation. It's an evolutionary thing to link any sensation with a sequence of events -- but most of our punishments are too 'random' for young kids to understand effectively til they're a bit older.

I've seen dogs, puppies and cats all nip at each other but not hurt each other. It's a universal method. I don't necessarily plan to do it myself but it would be considered carefully.

Jawgap · 11-12-2015 04:41PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

Wtf. Mate he mentioned his WIFE.

I'm fully aware that female on male DV is a huge issue and one which is not even nearly catered enough for with the DV resources

G'wan - you could've easily said "would you expect a clip if you did something wrong' but instead you embarked on applying the stereotype......well done:rolleyes:

biko · 11-12-2015 04:41PM

Sweden banned it in 1979.
About time Ireland catches up.

MRnotlob606 · 11-12-2015 04:42PM

lukesmom wrote: »

I thinks it's ridiculous. I have smacked my 3 year old boys bum on a few occasions. He is a pup at times.

That must be ruff

Penny Tration · 11-12-2015 04:43PM

Jawgap wrote: »

G'wan - you could've easily said "would you expect a clip if you did something wrong' but instead you embarked on applying the stereotype......well done:rolleyes:

Are you drunk?

I was speaking specifically to one person about their domestic situation.

Would have it been better for you if I'd assumed they were a lesbian couple who had used a donor for the child or something?

Sunflower 27 · 11-12-2015 04:43PM

Sick to death of the PC brigade who proclaim they never smack their children. They are probably the same children that run riot in restaurants, scream till they get what what they want and will one day end up divorcing their parents.

Skylinehead · 11-12-2015 04:44PM

Paramite Pie wrote: »

It's not actually violence anymore than a high-five is. People 'slap' their hands together all the time (high five, clapping etc..)

I've heard it all now - slapping a kid is pretty much high fiving? That's not how I remember it. It's painful, the kids cry. High fiving indeed :rolleyes:

Saadyst · 11-12-2015 04:44PM

lukesmom wrote: »

Sit down with your toddler, ask them how they are feeling, then give them some time to meditate mindfully before grabbing a veggie juice and a sugar free, butter free, gluten free oatcake....

Feck off! A little smack on the ars* is more effective.

I think you are confusing the word "effective" with "easier"

suicide_circus · 11-12-2015 04:45PM

This law is sure to deter child abusers.

Jawgap · 11-12-2015 04:46PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

Are you drunk?

I was speaking specifically to one person about their domestic situation.

Would have it been better for you if I'd assumed they were a lesbian couple who had used a donor for the child or something?

Yes, and you chose to portray the male as the instigator of domestic violence.

So despite being "....fully aware that female on male DV is a huge issue and one which is not even nearly catered enough for with the DV resources" you opted to use a hypothetical example that reinforces the prevailing stereotypical view of the issue........

11-12-2015 04:46PM

Jawgap wrote: »

When mine were that age, the most effective words were......"because of your behaviour I have changed the wifi password, you will get one letter of it for every good deed you do over the next 24 hours!":D

What ever works, however I think a guilty conscience can be a great teacher for children.

Sunflower 27 · 11-12-2015 04:46PM

Saadyst wrote: »

I think you are confusing the word "effective" with "easier"

Nope, a gentle talk would not have stopped me acting up as a kid. A smack was a great detterant. I knew I'd get one if I was particularly naughty.

Penny Tration · 11-12-2015 04:48PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Yes, and you chose to portray the male as the instigator of domestic violence.

So despite being "....fully aware that female on male DV is a huge issue and one which is not even nearly catered enough for with the DV resources" you opted to use a hypothetical example that reinforces the prevailing stereotypical view of the issue........

And again - I was speaking directly to a man, who has a wife, and a child he slaps, about what he would do if the other member of his family, who happens to be female and his wife, if he would hit her. Same as I'd wonder if lukesmom deems it acceptable to hit her husband

Now give over your baiting please.

Tasden · 11-12-2015 04:50PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Sick to death of the PC brigade who proclaim they never smack their children. They are probably the same children that run riot in restaurants, scream till they get what what they want and will one day end up divorcing their parents.

Seriously, why is it so difficult to realise that you don't have to decide between slapping children and just letting them run riot without any form of discipline. You can discipline children without slapping them.

Jawgap · 11-12-2015 04:52PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

And again - I was speaking directly to a man, who has a wife, and a child he slaps, about what he would do if the other member of his family, who happens to be female and his wife, if he would hit her. Same as I'd wonder if lukesmom deems it acceptable to hit her husband

Now give over your baiting please.

I just found it somewhat interesting how you chose to construct your hypothetical example to illustrate your point. Why not put him as the subject instead of the instigator of the violent act? Indeed, why didn't you fire the same response to the other (female?) poster?

I think it just reveals how domestic violence is viewed, but that's just my view.

Tasden · 11-12-2015 04:54PM

Jawgap wrote: »

I just found it somewhat interesting how you chose to construct your hypothetical example to illustrate your point. Why not put him as the subject instead of the instigator of the violent act? Indeed, why didn't you fire the same response to the other (female?) poster?

I think it just reveals how domestic violence is viewed, but that's just my view.

Bit of a warped view in this context imo, the poster was using an example applicable to the poster she was engaging with. You seem to be making it into something it's not.

11-12-2015 04:55PM

I was never hit, slapped, clattered, beaten, chastised or otherwise physically hurt by my parents or other adults. Against all the odds I've managed to stay off the drugs and out of prison.

Most telling of all with the pro-slappers is that they'll often declare a kid 'too big to slap' at a certain age. So the younger, smaller, and least able to defend themselves are fair game. There's no excuse for hurting a kid to teach them any kind of lesson, unless that lesson is that the people who should care for you the most and hurt you the least will inflict pain on you if they can't be creative enough to find another approach.

Greyian · 11-12-2015 04:55PM

Paramite Pie wrote: »

It's not actually violence anymore than a high-five is. People 'slap' their hands together all the time (high five, clapping etc..)

The difference is that people choose to high-five, whereas I've never seen a child asking their mother or father to slap them.

That's why consensual sex is good, but rape is bad.

Paramite Pie · 11-12-2015 05:00PM

Hermy wrote: »

I challenge anyone to explain what lesson I was supposed to learn from that experience (aside for utter contempt for that meagre excuse for a human being).

If your old enough to tie your own laces then you were too old for a slap anyways. My two cents.

But I do believe that toddlers are too young to be reasoned with as well though.

AlanG wrote: »

There are times when no one can control a toddler through logic. Examples would be when they persistently open their safety belt while in a car or when they run out in front of traffic. Parents are responsible for the safety of their children and logic is not always safest. How would you deal with a child repeatedly opening their siblings seat belts while driving on a motorway?

Hmm.. this reminds me of a guy I knew who would bring a jar of mustard with him when he went out with the kids. If one of them misbehaved then he'd give them a wee teaspoon of it. Major Deterrent. Worked wonders.:D

Skylinehead wrote: »

I've heard it all now - slapping a kid is pretty much high fiving? That's not how I remember it. It's painful, the kids cry. High fiving indeed :rolleyes:

Well we had different experiences then didn't we. The problem is that you can't see beyond your own experience and most people in this thread refuse to acknowledge that not everyone had that experience. It can be done carefully and properly. Like how some people drink and some people drink.

Although i'd likely go with the above mustard discipline. Same concept as spanking but better outcome.

Penny Tration · 11-12-2015 05:03PM

Jawgap wrote: »

I just found it somewhat interesting how you chose to construct your hypothetical example to illustrate your point. Why not put him as the subject instead of the instigator of the violent act? Indeed, why didn't you fire the same response to the other (female?) poster?

I think it just reveals how domestic violence is viewed, but that's just my view.

Why 'choose' him as the instigator? Well, his wife isn't here condoning hitting kids. If she were, I'd have addressed it to her, using him as the victim.

Why didn't I address lukesmom first? Cause I'm in work and don't actually scrutinize everys single post. Also the poster I addressed made a ridiculous comment about how the government should have no involvement over what happens at home.

You seem desperate to turn this into some sort of agenda against men.

If you'd like to look through my posting history, you'll notice that in threads about female on male, or male on male domestic violence and rape that I've commented on, I'm disgusted by the lack of services provided to men and that women have more bargaining tools and are taken at their word of being abused more than men are.

So please take your warped agenda elsewhere.

Illegal to slap a child

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