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Do people need to be Incentivised to work?

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  • #32
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Kev W wrote: »
    Why does it matter?

    Because they're the kind of people for whom there is no incentive to work...
    Tiddlypeeps wrote: »
    Why are you even on a discussion board? You are unwilling to discuss your view other than stating it and before anyone has even contested it you are stating that anyone who disagrees with you is a dickhead.

    You very clearly don't want to discuss the topic so why bother posting at all? :confused:
    I've no problem discussing it, I have an issue with people coming looking for facts and figures when none are needed. BattleCorp gave an example of a person he knows who is like this, so even if it's only one person (and we all know it's more) then the statement is true and can't be argued.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    But that cannot be the norm. I don't think it's normal psychology.

    I never said it was the norm, I said it happens.


  • #33
    manonboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭manonboard


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Even being on holidays for long periods of time drives me mad. I think most people are unhappy if they have no purpose in life.

    This bit perplexes me and i think its very odd for most people.
    I cannot relate to how some people think thier purpose in life is a job?

    If its some passion, sure. But most have jobs that are no passions? How is this so much as a purpose?

    My purpose in life is to enjoy it. I do that by being very social with my friends and family. Hobbies, Learning. Experiencing things.
    A job (which i do enjoy some aspects of) is just to fund this lifestyle.

    I think alot of people who are not working and dont want to, are not 'fulfilled' by a job. I can't disagree with thier logic. Most jobs are not something you'd do for free.

    I'm scared when i think and hear of people who say they basically get depressed when retirement happens. I think that points to a massive psychological issue that our society promotes. People so incapable of filling thier own time by choice.. that they cease to function well?
    Life is very short.. its a very odd aspect of modern day culture.


  • #34
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    ive a mate getting 305 euro a week for doing crazy shifts,i can see him slowly losing the incentive...


  • #35
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    manonboard wrote: »
    This bit perplexes me and i think its very odd for most people.
    I cannot relate to how some people think thier purpose in life is a job?

    If its some passion, sure. But most have jobs that are no passions? How is this so much as a purpose?

    My purpose in life is to enjoy it. I do that by being very social with my friends and family. Hobbies, Learning. Experiencing things.
    A job (which i do enjoy some aspects of) is just to fund this lifestyle.

    I think alot of people who are not working and dont want to, are not 'fulfilled' by a job. I can't disagree with thier logic. Most jobs are not something you'd do for free.

    Well it perplexes me the way people wouldn't pursue a job they love.


  • #36
    Phoebas
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    But that cannot be the norm. I don't think it's normal psychology.

    Depends on what the choices are.

    If its a choice between state dependence and a well paid, interesting job then its a no brainer.

    If its a choice between state dependence and a factory job sticking giblets up chickens arses for eight hours a day for not much extra then its a bit more difficult.

    Now, excuse me. I need to get back to the production line.


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  • #37
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    smash wrote: »

    I've no problem discussing it, I have an issue with people coming looking for facts and figures when none are needed.

    Facts aren't needed?


  • #38
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Well it perplexes me the way people wouldn't pursue a job they love.

    For most people a job funds a lifestyle where as doing a job they'd be passionate about would require taking a substantial pay cut or even no pay.


  • #39
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I think there's a very big percentage of people who do their job because they have to, rather than because they enjoy it.
    Eejits, as I like to call them.:pac:


  • #40
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Kev W wrote: »
    Facts aren't needed?

    A fact was provided by another poster but you dismissed it.


  • #41
    manonboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭manonboard


    smash wrote: »
    It's relevant because it's true. There are people out there who don't need to work because they're happy to live on subsidies. It doesn't matter how many do it, what matters is that there are people who do it.

    just fyi, I've dipped in and out of this category several times in my years. There are many many like me. Most stay or leave the category for long periods of time. I'd be more a tourist to both. I can survive almost as easily without a job. However I am infact happier during them times.

    Never been a material person. Very active mentally and socially and physically. No substance abuse or drinking habits. etc etc. Just like experiencing each day with whatever comes to it.
    I find my mental health is much better like this than a regular 9-5.


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  • #42
    manonboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭manonboard


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Well it perplexes me the way people wouldn't pursue a job they love.

    Thats a valid point alright.

    Certainly one that happens alot. Infact i say the majority of the time judging my friends/family/coworkers ive experienced.
    Most just want to survive and not work. I think they just find a job that 'does' and thats it.
    Its a bit sad, but in todays society, I can see how it easily happens. Fear is a big factor in how we are encouraged to do things. Worries constantly promoted.


  • #43
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    smash wrote: »
    A fact was provided by another poster but you dismissed it.

    Yes, because it was irrelevant.


  • #44
    intheclouds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Well it perplexes me the way people wouldn't pursue a job they love.

    There is no job Id love. I hate having to work.

    However, the lifestyle I wish to have requires good money so I work to achieve that.

    If I won money Id immediately quit my job. I dont go mad at all if I am off for a couple of week - I was redundant for a few months and it was the happiest period of my adult life.

    Work sucks. Making grey haired old men richer while sucking the life out of me and not giving me enough time to do the things I like doing.

    I genuinely cannot think of any job that I would love, fundamentally, it would always be a job, a think I am forced to do for economic reasons - so it would suck.


  • #45
    neris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,145 ✭✭✭✭neris


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    In certain situations it would cost you money to come off the dole and lose all benefits to take a low paying job

    maybe its time then to cut & scrap some of those benefits then make it more costly to stay on the dole


  • #46
    Mesrine65
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Eejits, as I like to call them.:pac:
    Economic survivors trying to maintain some personal dignity, I like to think ;)


  • #47
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Kev W wrote: »
    Yes, because it was irrelevant.

    Well manonboard has just stated in post #41 that the category of people do exist, in fact he has dipped in and out of the category on several occasions. How does that sit with you?


  • #48
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    i just work for a period of time and then travel on the money ive saved....life is too short to be stuck in a mind numbing soul destroying job.


  • #49
    The Backwards Man
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    intheclouds wrote: »
    There is no job Id love. I hate having to work.

    However, the lifestyle I wish to have requires good money so I work to achieve that.

    If I won money Id immediately quit my job. I dont go mad at all if I am off for a couple of week - I was redundant for a few months and it was the happiest period of my adult life.

    Work sucks. Making grey haired old men richer while sucking the life out of me and not giving me enough time to do the things I like doing.

    I genuinely cannot think of any job that I would love, fundamentally, it would always be a job, a think I am forced to do for economic reasons - so it would suck.

    I don't get why someone would spend half their waking life doing something they hate in this day and age. Vassals, serfs and slaves would make a better fist of things than some people in the modern age, I just don't understand the mentality


  • #50
    The Backwards Man
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    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    Economic survivors trying to maintain some personal dignity, I like to think ;)

    There's no dignity in doing something against your will.


  • #51
    manonboard
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    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    i just work for a period of time and then travel on the money ive saved....life is too short to be stuck in a mind numbing soul destroying job.

    I think that is a great usage of the work concept. Its a use as it needs to be used, rather than you being used by it and having your life dictated by it. Kudos to your bravery and lifestyle.


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  • #52
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    smash wrote: »
    Well manonboard has just stated in post #41 that the category of people do exist, in fact he has dipped in and out of the category on several occasions. How does that sit with you?

    Well that's two people now. What percentage is that?


  • #53
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Kev W wrote: »
    Well that's two people now. What percentage is that?

    Does it matter? A percentage is a percentage. Even if it's 0.000001%


  • #54
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    manonboard wrote: »
    I think that is a great usage of the work concept. Its a use as it needs to be used, rather than you being used by it and having your life dictated by it. Kudos to your bravery and lifestyle.

    its a no brainer for me,i look at mates my age and they havent seen or experienced one tenth of the things i have in the world,i quickly seen through that lie that hard work and dedication pays off,all it did was make someone else rich and left me with a busted up body.


  • #55
    Kev W
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    smash wrote: »
    Does it matter? A percentage is a percentage. Even if it's 0.000001%

    OK, so what's to be done about it?


  • #56
    manonboard
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    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    its a no brainer for me,i look at mates my age and they havent seen or experienced one tenth of the things i have in the world,i quickly seen through that lie that hard work and dedication pays off,all it did was make someone else rich and left me with a busted up body.

    Its a very common lie. I think people spend crazy amounts of time trying to make thier future better whilst avoiding the present. Its a tough lesson to learn but one which greatly helped me. Its all about balance.


  • #57
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Kev W wrote: »
    OK, so what's to be done about it?

    Give them an incentive to work. Make living off state benefits more costly than being in employment.


  • #58
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    smash wrote: »
    Give them an incentive to work. Make living off state benefits more costly than being in employment.

    So punish everyone on benefits?


  • #59
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Kev W wrote: »
    So punish everyone on benefits?
    No. Just make benefits a whole lot less attractive.


  • #60
    Milly33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,663 ✭✭✭Milly33


    Kinda agree with the work ethic now I do love to work but regards saving and all that ill do a little, but by no means will I be like saving for a rainy day. it is it raining on the day and I have no money, I will have a brollie..

    It does however annoy me how some people do just think sure HSE or Dole whatever will cover me for this and that.. I know someone who has id say out of their 35 years worked maybe a full two years in full time work, has a house, cars different all the time, phones, kids all the shambang and gets most if not all paid for... that kinda miffs me but them im happy so feck it


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  • #61
    manonboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭manonboard


    Smash, I think Kev is just looking for a argument on anything you are going to state. Its been non stop since the start and its about as constructive as spam.


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