Tyson Fury Hate Crime - Really?

BattleCorp · 09-12-2015 12:25PM #1

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/tyson-fury-police-question-boxer-homosexuality-comments-hate-crime-a6765366.html

Tyson Fury is apparently in trouble with police over an alleged hate crime. I've looked at his comments. While they wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea, what he said wasn't what I would consider to be a hate crime. He expressed an opinion, an unpopular one, but nothing I would consider to be criminal.

I don't believe this but if I said "I hate gays", how is that a hate crime? What crime has been committed?

If I said "Lets kill gays", then yes, I reckon that would be a hate crime.

Am I wrong about this?

smash · 09-12-2015 12:27PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I don't believe this but if I said "I hate gays", how is that a hate crime? What crime has been committed?

The crime of hatred?

BattleCorp · 09-12-2015 12:28PM

smash wrote: »

The crime of hatred?

I hate turnips. Does that count?

smash · 09-12-2015 12:28PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I hate turnips. Does that count?

No, they're not real people!

BoJack Horseman · 09-12-2015 12:30PM

When the media say "police investigation"... what the reality is, is that the police have said they will "get around to taking a statement from a complainant."

So.... something the old bill do 10,000 times a day.

Kev W · 09-12-2015 12:30PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/tyson-fury-police-question-boxer-homosexuality-comments-hate-crime-a6765366.html

Tyson Fury is apparently in trouble with police over an alleged hate crime. I've looked at his comments. While they wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea, what he said wasn't what I would consider to be a hate crime. He expressed an opinion, an unpopular one, but nothing I would consider to be criminal.

I don't believe this but if I said "I hate gays", how is that a hate crime? What crime has been committed?

If I said "Lets kill gays", then yes, I reckon that would be a hate crime.

Am I wrong about this?

It's not that his comments are being treated as a hate crime, it's that he's been accused of a hate crime following his comments. They're separate incidents.

Edit to add: On further inspection I was wrong, some idiot has actually accused him of a hate crime based purely on his comments.

NachoBusiness · 09-12-2015 12:33PM

What did he say, exactly? I can't read the whole article, I'm wearing a towel.

cowboyBuilder · 09-12-2015 12:33PM

I agree, his comments are idiotic, I wouldn't agree with them,
but it's not inciting to hatred or commit acts of violence against anyone.

Let him have his opinion.

seamus · 09-12-2015 12:36PM

Any private citizen is entitled to make a complaint to the police about the behaviour of any other citizen.

In this case a single person has made a complaint about Tyson Fury's remarks. It doesn't mean he's in trouble with the police, it doesn't even mean they're going to talk to him about it. Total non-story.

The guy sounds like a dick anyway. Wouldn't surprise me if he's in the closet. People who really hate homosexuals are often just trying to mask their own homosexuality.

smash · 09-12-2015 12:38PM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

I agree, his comments are idiotic, I wouldn't agree with them, but it's not inciting to hatred or commit acts of violence against anyone.

Mr Fury, who is still in the running for the sports Personality of the Year award after winning the world heavyweight boxing title, has appeared to compare gay people with paedophiles on several occasions.

He's a public figure and a role model. His words are listened to by a lot of people. Public announcements to his fans that gay people are wrong, or evil or whatever he said is "inciting to hatred".

hatrickpatrick · 09-12-2015 12:40PM

Another pathetic chapter in the modern PC brigade's attempt to kill free speech.

The guy is an absolute douchebag of epic proportions, but he can say whatever the hell he wants.

tommyboy2222 · 09-12-2015 12:42PM

Generation Snowflake. SJWs are idiots.

robertpatterson · 09-12-2015 12:42PM

seamus wrote: »

Any private citizen is entitled to make a complaint to the police about the behaviour of any other citizen.

In this case a single person has made a complaint about Tyson Fury's remarks. It doesn't mean he's in trouble with the police, it doesn't even mean they're going to talk to him about it. Total non-story.

The guy sounds like a dick anyway. Wouldn't surprise me if he's in the closet. People who really hate homosexuals are often just trying to mask their own homosexuality.

By that logic people who really love homosexuals are really heterosexual

murphyebass · 09-12-2015 12:42PM

God he indo really is a rag of a paper.

Outside of that this is a complete non story.

The man is an idiot.

What he said is hit opinion and nothing more.

recylingbin · 09-12-2015 12:42PM

seamus wrote: »

The guy sounds like a dick anyway. Wouldn't surprise me if he's in the closet. People who really hate homosexuals are often just trying to mask their own homosexuality.

So what you're saying here, unless I'm misinterpreting you, is that gays are horrible and two faced?

Duggy747 · 09-12-2015 12:42PM

He's entitled to his opinions, as idiotic as they are, just as much as others are to point out why they're idiotic.

smash · 09-12-2015 12:43PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The guy is an absolute douchebag of epic proportions, but he can say whatever the hell he wants.

Can he though? Because I'm sure if someone said they hated travellers there'd be an awful backlash against them! People can't just go around spouting hatred and not expect to get called up on it.

Kev W · 09-12-2015 12:44PM

smash wrote: »

Can he though? Because I'm sure if someone said they hated travellers there'd be an awful backlash against them!

Backlash, sure, but not calls for an arrest!

osarusan · 09-12-2015 12:44PM

Just saying it doesn't make it crime surely, as long as it doesn't constitute incitement and so on.

He'd have to do something, and it be shown that what he did was down to hatred, for it to be a hate crime.

Badly Drunk Boy · 09-12-2015 12:45PM

The petition to have his name removed from the BBC Sport Personality Of The Year by some gay group is probably part of this campaign against him. He sounds like a bit of a neanderthal but I don't know why people get themselves worked up about it. And I'm sure some elements of the media will downgrade him from being English to an Irish traveller if the campaign gathers enough momentum. :pac:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35031110

Kev W · 09-12-2015 12:49PM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

The petition to have his name removed from the BBC Sport Personality Of The Year by some gay group is probably part of this campaign against him. He sounds like a bit of a neanderthal but I don't know why people get themselves worked up about it. And I'm sure some elements of the media will downgrade him from being English to an Irish traveller if the campaign gathers enough momentum. :pac:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35031110

One person called for his arrest, it's not a "campaign".

His name should be removed from the SPOTY running. If it were Athlete of the Year it would be a different story but to give him the Sports Personality of the Year Award after spewing his venom like that would be tantamount to approval of what he's said.

murphyebass · 09-12-2015 12:49PM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

The petition to have his name removed from the BBC Sport Personality Of The Year by some gay group is probably part of this campaign against him. He sounds like a bit of a neanderthal but I don't know why people get themselves worked up about it. And I'm sure some elements of the media will downgrade him from being English to an Irish traveller if the campaign gathers enough momentum. :pac:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35031110

So we'd have a world heavyweight champion boxer yay!

recylingbin · 09-12-2015 12:51PM

Kev W wrote: »

One person called for his arrest, it's not a "campaign".

His name should be removed from the SPOTY running. If it were Athlete of the Year it would be a different story but to give him the Sports Personality of the Year Award after spewing his venom like that would be tantamount to approval of what he's said.

ERM, they gave it to Ryan giggs one year...

Kev W · 09-12-2015 12:52PM

recylingbin wrote: »

ERM, they gave it to Ryan giggs one year...

What did he do beforehand that should have disqualified him?

c_man · 09-12-2015 12:54PM

Let's sort it out in the ring.

recylingbin · 09-12-2015 12:54PM

Kev W wrote: »

What did he do beforehand that should have disqualified him?

He displayed no discernible personality.

09-12-2015 12:57PM

Who is Tyson Fury?

FTA69 · 09-12-2015 12:57PM

Unfortunately these kind of negative perceptions are often the result of being devoutly religious; homophobia is engrained in all the world's major religions and that's just a fact of life. Evander Holyfield said last year that he disagrees with homosexuality as the Bible says so and he's a Born Again Christian, he's full of sh*t but it is his religious beliefs at the end of the day. I imagine if you asked Mo Farah or Amir Khan their positions on homosexuality you would get a similar, if more diplomatic, answer on the subject - but yet these are often held up as role models for young people.

Fury, Holyfield et al should by all means be challenged on their negative comments regardless of what they were based on, as should anyone else coming out with such tripe. But at the end of the day shouting them down, calling the cops and calling on them to be banned off the telly/barred from Croke Park etc isn't going to advance gay rights etc one bit.

BattleCorp · 09-12-2015 12:59PM

smash wrote: »

He's a public figure and a role model. His words are listened to by a lot of people. Public announcements to his fans that gay people are wrong, or evil or whatever he said is "inciting to hatred".

Nah, can't agree with you there mate.

Kev W · 09-12-2015 01:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who is Tyson Fury?

What is Google?

BattleCorp · 09-12-2015 01:02PM

smash wrote: »

Can he though? Because I'm sure if someone said they hated travellers there'd be an awful backlash against them! People can't just go around spouting hatred and not expect to get called up on it.

If I said that I hate travellers, call me up on it all you like, but what crime have I committed?

I haven't wished anything bad on them, haven't encouraged anybody else to hate them or commit crimes against them? How is saying you hate something/someone a crime here in Ireland?

Tyson Fury Hate Crime - Really?

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