Spoilers Series 9, Episode 12 - "Hell Bent"

pixelburp · 04-12-2015 01:40PM #1

Doesn't time fly; last episode of the regular series. The last two episodes have been pretty strong, with 'Heaven Sent' arguably one of best episodes in recent years. And while a couple of episodes have been a bit rubbish, I think Series 9 has been pretty solid, particularly when viewed as a character drama. The story of Clara and the Doctor has certainly kept the engine running.

So, all this talk of 'the hybrid', and the Doctor remarking that the Daleks would never allow a hybrid, does anyone else think the revelation might be

the mix is the Doctor & they're going to rework in his half-human heritage? After all these years pretending it was never mentioned.

Then again, he did say the hybrid was 'me', which could also refer to Ashildr, given that's technically her name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxvGCYzh8aY

Mr Bloat · 04-12-2015 02:02PM

Can. Not. Wait.

While I've enjoyed Doctor Who over the last few years, it's been a while since the show has been this good.

Wibbs · 04-12-2015 02:21PM

It's probably the "Me" lass. After all she's a human(who've been regularly seen as a dangerous species) with those warrior dudes - whose name escapes - technology in her head keeping her alive/immortal.

jasonb · 04-12-2015 02:42PM

Wibbs wrote: »

It's probably the "Me" lass. After all she's a human(who've been regularly seen as a dangerous species) with those warrior dudes - whose name escapes - technology in her head keeping her alive/immortal.

And let's not forget:

She's not just human, she's also a Viking, who were fairly well known for being warriors

J.

Das Kitty · 04-12-2015 03:24PM

Well...
Speculation below

The Time Lords feared the hybrid was to be part Dalek, part Time Lord. This was described as "Two warrior races". They were worried about what would get mixed with Time Lord. So for me, and I'm probably hoping here, Ashildr's mix isn't a threat to Gallifrey. She has no tie to it. She is no part Time Lord.

So what I'm saying is that I'd desperately love for the Doctor to be confirmed as half human on his mother's side.

It fits. He's constantly drawn back to earth, picks human companions for the most part, constantly complaining about the way humans conduct themselves in a way that sounds like it's personal. Saving the earth is his pet project.

jasonb · 04-12-2015 04:05PM

I do like that idea Das Kitty...

By the way, I wonder if we'll see:

'Me's second reviver. Remember the Doctor gave her another, in case she needed company, and so far she's never used it, I think it's still hanging around her neck. That might be a 'get out of death free' card for someone

J.

Das Kitty · 04-12-2015 04:11PM

jasonb wrote: »

I do like that idea Das Kitty...

By the way, I wonder if we'll see:
'Me's second reviver. Remember the Doctor gave her another, in case she needed company, and so far she's never used it, I think it's still hanging around her neck. That might be a 'get out of death free' card for someone

J.

She did use it. On the comedy fella from her second episode.

jasonb · 04-12-2015 04:12PM

Das Kitty wrote: »

She did use it. On the comedy fella from her second episode.

Wow! I completely forgot that. And him!

It goes to show how much more serious and important the story has been over the last few episodes...

J.

pixelburp · 04-12-2015 04:19PM

Das Kitty wrote: »

Well...
Speculation below
So what I'm saying is that I'd desperately love for the Doctor to be confirmed as half human on his mother's side.

It fits. He's constantly drawn back to earth, picks human companions for the most part, constantly complaining about the way humans conduct themselves in a way that sounds like it's personal. Saving the earth is his pet project.

It has been Dr. Who's dirty piece of continuity that nobody has touched, and everyone has ignored, since it was mentioned by Paul McGann back in the 1996 TV movie. And while I don't like the notion myself, part of me would love it if Moffat openly acknowledged & embraced it as 'true' canon. Given the flak he has received in the last couple of years from all quarters, it'd seem like a ballsy 'f*ck you'

tritium · 04-12-2015 05:00PM

Given she's in the episode it will probably turn out to be ashildr, which would be a real pity. Moffatt has a bad habit of being clever with words and shoehorning in too many twists.

The possibilities of the doctor as the hybrid are pretty cool.

The_Valeyard · 05-12-2015 09:10PM

Well, that was an interesting opening sequence!

exaisle · 05-12-2015 09:24PM

Clara........Good! :-)

SueBoom · 05-12-2015 09:25PM

Jeeeeeesus! She better actually be dead, enough already.

Edit: Phew!

05-12-2015 09:28PM

Are you travelling

From time to time

Ahhhh

WomanSkirtFan8 · 05-12-2015 09:52PM

Classic TARDIS interior YEEESSSS!!

Fantastic Episode so far!! :cool:

exaisle · 05-12-2015 10:04PM

Steven Moffat....all is forgiven...

05-12-2015 10:06PM

Omg that was amazing

Just amazing

the music too, i love clara's theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqAblY4tWJo
sob

The_Valeyard · 05-12-2015 10:07PM

Great episode. Confusing but great

SueBoom · 05-12-2015 10:08PM

Perfect! Loved every minute.

Lord TSC · 05-12-2015 10:08PM

That. Was. Amazing.

I loved it. An awesome end to Clara. The twist of the Doctor being the one not knowing who he was speaking too.....the visual of Clara and Me going off on adventures....the fact the Diner was a Tardis....

Just loved it. What an amazing episode.

pixelburp · 05-12-2015 10:09PM

I suspect the 'make the doctor a female' crowd will only get louder after that episode

SueBoom · 05-12-2015 10:12PM

When he said four knocks I definitely thought it was going to be The Master/Missy.

WomanSkirtFan8 · 05-12-2015 10:13PM

WOW!

What an exceptionally brilliant episode that was! Still only just digesting it but holy moly!... a cracker of an episode!

Christmas Special looks absoutely amazing too! Well done Steven Moffat, Peter Capaldi and everyone else involved! Well done guys!

Professey Chin · 05-12-2015 10:13PM

Absolutely loved it!

bren2001 · 05-12-2015 10:15PM

Absolutely brilliant end to a season with some really great episodes. Why they decided to mess with my heart one more time and bring Clara back I don't know but... I dunno. I'm still trying to work it all out.

Penn · 05-12-2015 10:15PM

Disappointed Timothy Dalton didn't come back as Rassilon, though given The Master regenerated, makes sense he did too.

Other than that, fantastic episode. A worthy series finale. Really hope Clara never comes back, but it's a much better ending for her than Face The Raven.

pixelburp · 05-12-2015 10:22PM

It also keeps the door open for cameos of course, who's to say Clara &Me can't pop up from time to time while they travel around in their TARDIS. The doctor will know Me of course, Clara might prove tricky.

Dunno though, feel like the chance for Clara to flit around the universe, playing doctor, feels like a reward for her hubris, even if she's still gotta die sometime.

Fantastic episode othwrwise, and a fantastic capper to a pretty stellar trio of episodes. Still trying unparsel some of the throwaway lines: did I understand correctly a line suggestions Susan wasnt actually the doc's real granddaughter?

Das Kitty · 05-12-2015 10:36PM

I think I need to watch that again!

Eugene Norman · 05-12-2015 10:43PM

pixelburp wrote: »

It also keeps the door open for cameos of course, who's to say Clara &Me can't pop up from time to time while they travel around in their TARDIS. The doctor will know Me of course, Clara might prove tricky.

Dunno though, feel like the chance for Clara to flit around the universe, playing doctor, feels like a reward for her hubris, even if she's still gotta die sometime.

Fantastic episode othwrwise, and a fantastic capper to a pretty stellar trio of episodes. Still trying unparsel some of the throwaway lines: did I understand correctly a line suggestions Susan wasnt actually the doc's real granddaughter?

I mean they could get a spin off (though neither are real time lords just immortals – well an immortal and a time locked person) but more likely - you're right - Clara will turn up in cameos.

Eugene Norman · 05-12-2015 10:44PM

pixelburp wrote: »

It has been Dr. Who's dirty piece of continuity that nobody has touched, and everyone has ignored, since it was mentioned by Paul McGann back in the 1996 TV movie. And while I don't like the notion myself, part of me would love it if Moffat openly acknowledged & embraced it as 'true' canon. Given the flak he has received in the last couple of years from all quarters, it'd seem like a ballsy 'f*ck you'

( I got rid of your spoiler tags as you weren't spoiling anything).

His half human past was definitely mentioned, and not denied.

Duckjob · 05-12-2015 10:58PM

Goosebumps... Had all the elements that makes Dr Who so brilliant.

Just can't wait for the Christmas Day special.

**Spoilers** Series 9, Episode 12 - "Hell Bent"

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Spoilers Series 9, Episode 12 - "Hell Bent"