Sinead O'Connor facebook post today

walshb · 01-12-2015 3:16pm

Her behaviour is very reckless. People need to call her on it instead of feigning sympathy and love. All this nonsense of support and backing her is not at all helpful. It's exactly what she is feeding off.

Arbiter of Good Taste · 01-12-2015 3:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I suppose it shouldn't come as a big surprise that many of the posts on a thread like this sound bitter and spiteful. I plan on reporting any slanderous comments on here to more than just the mods on Boards.ie

Are you going to report your own post that suggested another poster was "the "c" word"?

kunst nugget · 01-12-2015 3:36pm

walshb wrote: »

Her behaviour is very reckless. People need to call her on it instead of feigning sympathy and love. All this nonsense of support and backing her is not at all helpful. It's exactly what she is feeding off.

Tbf, people replying to her facebook statuses, whatever they're saying, aren't doing her any good at all.

Her behaviour is reckless but people can empathize with what is causing it. Like I said, I'm not a fan of hers but I have seen people I know who have been in her position and I can't say I feel like calling her out on it. It's unpleasant and miserable for all involved and I can only hope she does get the help that she needs for her sake and the sake of her family.

The Sun King · 01-12-2015 4:00pm

Got an earful off the Tumblr police yesterday for expressing an opinion other than "sending prayers xxx" when this issue popped up.

seanaway · 01-12-2015 4:02pm

The Sun King wrote: »

Got an earful off the Tumblr police yesterday for expressing an opinion other than "sending prayers xxx" when this issue popped up.

Nice to see democracy in action, isn't it?

The Sun King · 01-12-2015 4:06pm

seanaway wrote: »

Nice to see democracy in action, isn't it?

I wouldn't mind only what I said and went on to argue was very mild and got the whole 'onli god cn judg her x' response.

shanered · 01-12-2015 4:20pm

walshb wrote: »

Half the country rants on fb; should we section them all?

Now, you are being melodramatic. It's clearly more than just a rant on facebook. The woman has just taken an overdose by her own admission, anybody who is in such a situation deserves help.
She has a history of depression and mental illness which would heighten ones observation of such posts especially when they are talking about overdoses which may lead to suicide. She is clearly talking about her abandonment from her family and this is a clear issue which would exasperate such feelings of worthlessness which can lead to suicide.
This type of comment shows the whataboutry you express towards somebody with mental illness, you clearly are either an uncaring person or just have not read her outcries and posts.

But to answer your question, not all rants should be reported, but any rants which lead somebody to suspect that a person is a danger to themselves, is one for certain that should be shared with people with the ability to help the individual.
Quite easy enough to figure out I would have thought..

seanaway · 01-12-2015 4:42pm

The Sun King wrote: »

I wouldn't mind only what I said and went on to argue was very mild and got the whole 'onli god cn judg her x' response.

To be expected......some people don't want you to judge her but will judge you at the drop of a hat. Funny that.

StewartGriffin · 01-12-2015 6:24pm

walshb wrote: »

And, since when does anyone have to always sympathise with a mental health sufferer? There are some people suffering with mental health that are plain nasty and bad and evil.

Interesting point. You will find very few mass murderers in the history books who don't have a solid case for mental health problems, all the way from Stalin and Adolf Hitler to the kid who shoots up secondary school or the father who smothers his sons.

Regarding Sinead O Connor, her craving for attention seems to be a symptom of her mental health problems, so by giving her that attention her supporters are actually causing her more harm.

PressRun · 01-12-2015 6:51pm

StewartGriffin wrote: »

Interesting point. You will find very few mass murderers in the history books who don't have a solid case for mental health problems, all the way from Stalin and Adolf Hitler to the kid who shoots up secondary school or the father who smothers his sons.

Regarding Sinead O Connor, her craving for attention seems to be a symptom of her mental health problems, so by giving her that attention her supporters are actually causing her more harm.

Yeah, because Sinead O'Connor is definitely the equivalent of a tyrannical mass murderer or someone who shoots up their school.

This nonsense about mentally ill people being dangers to society is part of the problem when it comes to the stigmatization of mental illness. Mentally ill people are statistically far more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of it. People love trotting out the "mentally ill" line when faced with violence or violent individuals, regardless of the fact that there's little evidence to support this.

As for your 'tough love' approach. Yeah, doesn't work.

murpho999 · 01-12-2015 7:43pm

StewartGriffin wrote: »

walshb wrote: »

And, since when does anyone have to always sympathise with a mental health sufferer? There are some people suffering with mental health that are plain nasty and bad and evil.

Interesting point. You will find very few mass murderers in the history books who don't have a solid case for mental health problems, all the way from Stalin and Adolf Hitler to the kid who shoots up secondary school or the father who smothers his sons.

Regarding Sinead O Connor, her craving for attention seems to be a symptom of her mental health problems, so by giving her that attention her supporters are actually causing her more harm.

Really, such an ignorant post.

So Sinead's posts on Facebook are just to satisfy her attention cravings.
Is that all mental illness is to you?

Do you realise the mental illness of a mass murderer is completely different to that of a suicidal person. Just like in normal medicine how a broken leg is completely different to cancer but still require attention.
I really feel sorry for Sinead, I've been listening to her music for over 30'years. She is a fantastic talent that we should treasure and realise she has psychological issues. Support is what she needs not ignorance. .

01-12-2015 7:46pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Really, such an ignorant post.

So Sinead's posts on Facebook or just to satisfy her attention cravings.
Is that all mental illness is to you?

Do you realise the mental illness of a mass murderer is completely different to that of a suicidal person. Just like in normal medicine how a broken leg is completely different to cancer but still require attention.
I really feel sorry for Sinead, I've been listening to her music for over 30' years. She is a fantastic talent that we should treasure and realise she has psychological issues. Support is what she needs not ignorance. .

Don't waste your time tbh.

Experience from other threads

StewartGriffin · 01-12-2015 7:51pm

PressRun wrote: »

Yeah, because Sinead O'Connor is definitely the equivalent of a tyrannical mass murderer or someone who shoots up their school.

This nonsense about mentally ill people being dangers to society is part of the problem when it comes to the stigmatization of mental illness. Mentally ill people are statistically far more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of it. People love trotting out the "mentally ill" line when faced with violence or violent individuals, regardless of the fact that there's little evidence to support this.

As for your 'tough love' approach. Yeah, doesn't work.

murpho999 wrote: »

Really, such an ignorant post.

So Sinead's posts on Facebook or just to satisfy her attention cravings.
Is that all mental illness is to you?

Do you realise the mental illness of a mass murderer is completely different to that of a suicidal person. Just like in normal medicine how a broken leg is completely different to cancer but still require attention.
I really feel sorry for Sinead, I've been listening to her music for over 30' years. She is a fantastic talent that we should treasure and realise she has psychological issues. Support is what she needs not ignorance. .

Oh dear. People who don't read a post properly or else just can't understand the difference between science and emotion are so tedious. Hair-trigger reactions, rant and rave... mental health,... how dare you... blah, blah, blah...

kunst nugget · 01-12-2015 8:33pm

seanaway wrote: »

Nice to see democracy in action, isn't it?

What has Tumblr got to do with democracy. Dumb people giving out to you on Tumblr is hardly a suppression of your civil rights.

Arbiter of Good Taste · 01-12-2015 8:37pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

What has Tumblr got to do with democracy. Dumb people giving out to you on Tumblr is hardly a suppression of your civil rights.

Because just going by this thread, anyone who is not toe-ing the line is branded a "troll", "ignorant", "uncaring", a naughty "c" word to name a few

PressRun · 01-12-2015 8:42pm

StewartGriffin wrote: »

Oh dear. People who don't read a post properly or else just can't understand the difference between science and emotion are so tedious. Hair-trigger reactions, rant and rave... mental health,... how dare you... blah, blah, blah...

Oh yeah, sorry, you're the smartest person in the room. :rolleyes:

murpho999 · 01-12-2015 8:52pm

StewartGriffin wrote: »

Oh dear. People who don't read a post properly or else just can't understand the difference between science and emotion are so tedious. Hair-trigger reactions, rant and rave... mental health,... how dare you... blah, blah, blah...

No it's not a hair trigger reaction. It's your own misunderstandings of how broad mental illness can be and you just say that Sinead O'Connor is seekig attention which is clearly not the case.

To be honest your posts stink more of seeking attention than those of Sinead O'Connor.

Anyhow post what you want after this as I think you're trolling and I couldn't be arsed arguing with you.

StewartGriffin · 01-12-2015 8:53pm

PressRun wrote: »

Oh yeah, sorry, you're the smartest person in the room. :rolleyes:

Well, if I'm in a room with you and Murpho that's not much of a compliment.

holyhead · 01-12-2015 8:53pm

Just been reading her latest batch of posts. God love her. She is clearly in distress. I don't think FB is the place to be unloading personal grievances and I think for her own sake she should have her account suspended until she is in a better place. We can all do or say things when we are vulnerable we wouldn't say in the ordinary scheme of things. I really hope she gets to a better place. I can understand where people are coming from when they may be cynical towards her given past history. In this case though I think she is genuinely in trouble emotionally. Her posts are in content extreme, inflammatory towards her family and friends and once on fb it is viewable forever I imagine.

StewartGriffin · 01-12-2015 8:59pm

murpho999 wrote: »

No it's not a hair trigger reaction. It's your own misunderstandings of how broad mental illness can be

Mental illness is as broad as the human race. Everyone has some level of mental illness, just as everyone has some level of physical illness because nothing in this world is perfect and if something was perfect it certainly wouldn't be the Human Race. Now are you going to fill in some imaginary gaps in this statement? Probably.

Your assertion that I claimed in my previous post anything at all about how broad mental illness is, is simply something you have imagined.

xzanti · 01-12-2015 9:13pm

I've moved this from Celebs & Showbiz as I feel the topic is more suitable here.

MODs please feel free to move it somewhere else if there's a better place for it.

I couldn't see a general Mental Health Forum.

01-12-2015 9:21pm

Sad to see this story in the celebrity news media. Personal health issues, especially mental health and/or involving children, should be off limits for the media.

seanaway · 01-12-2015 9:24pm

murpho999 wrote: »

......... and you just say that Sinead O'Connor is seekig attention which is clearly not the case............

Anyhow post what you want after this as I think you're trolling and I couldn't be arsed arguing with you.

How do you know 'clearly' that it isn't attention seeking? That is as subjective a comment as is that she is attention seeking. Only 1 person knows and she certainly doesn't seem in much of a condition to tell anyone right now.

As for not being arsed arguing..... that is kind of the point of a forum. To make your point etc....

poisonated · 01-12-2015 10:02pm

The stigma towards mental health really needs to change. People should be able to discuss their health in an open manner whether it be mental or physical. The fact that people feel that they are unable to do this is what drives people into feeling isolated and powerless. If talking about it on Facebook is the only way that she can feel connected so be it.

kunst nugget · 01-12-2015 10:03pm

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

Because just going by this thread, anyone who is not toe-ing the line is branded a "troll", "ignorant", "uncaring", a naughty "c" word to name a few

Again, absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

Red King · 01-12-2015 10:08pm

I think the problem with Sinead O'Conner is that being a celebrity who first made a name for themselves amongst the general public by doing things like tearing up a photo of the Pope on US TV and other stunts like becoming a nun for a few years etc is that people who haven't been paying much attention to her only know her for these kinds of outlandish stunts and then when she actually acts out due to her mental health issues it becomes all to easy to dismiss her behaviour as the actions of a desperate attention seeking celebrity.

Which is sad because to anyone who has been paying attention she has been on a steady downward spiral for the past few years. It has gone well past the attention seeking publicity stunt antics if her early career.

She is very sick and the media spotlight only contributes to her self-destructive behaviour.

I hope for her sake she gets the treatment she needs and to be honest, quits the business for good.

Harry Angstrom · 01-12-2015 10:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sad to see this story in the celebrity news media. Personal health issues, especially mental health and/or involving children, should be off limits for the media.

Agreed. Which makes the fact that Sinead O'Connor chooses to disclose every minute detail of her personal life though the media circus of Facebook all the more objectionable.
If she wants to get better, she should close her Facebook account immediately, or if Facebook want to be seen to be acting in a responsible fashion, they should suspend her Facebook account immediately.

Arbiter of Good Taste · 01-12-2015 10:48pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

Again, absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

Freedom of speech/opinion is not a cornerstone of democracy?

shanered · 01-12-2015 11:01pm

The cry for help on social media is definitely not a reason for any form of thought policing by facebook, that's not to say that it wouldn't be a good move to get her to close her account, but by her own choice.

kunst nugget · 01-12-2015 11:12pm

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

Freedom of speech/opinion is not a cornerstone of democracy?

If Tumblr was run by the government and was surpressing your opinion on the site then you might have a case. Tumblr is a private site so they can abide by their own code of conduct as long as it doesn't break the law - in the same way this site does with regards to moderation.. In this instance the website didn't have an issue with the opinion, others did which they are perfectly entitled to do on the site.

I think people need to research what democracy means as well as what bipolar disorder is.

PressRun · 01-12-2015 11:26pm

Red King wrote: »

I think the problem with Sinead O'Conner is that being a celebrity who first made a name for themselves amongst the general public by doing things like tearing up a photo of the Pope on US TV and other stunts like becoming a nun for a few years etc is that people who haven't been paying much attention to her only know her for these kinds of outlandish stunts and then when she actually acts out due to her mental health issues it becomes all to easy to dismiss her behaviour as the actions of a desperate attention seeking celebrity.

Which is sad because to anyone who has been paying attention she has been on a steady downward spiral for the past few years. It has gone well past the attention seeking publicity stunt antics if her early career.

She is very sick and the media spotlight only contributes to her self-destructive behaviour.

I hope for her sake she gets the treatment she needs and to be honest, quits the business for good.

I totally agree with the above. The aftermath and fall-out from episodes are hard enough to deal with at the best of times, I can't imagine what it's like to have to deal with that while in the public eye. I don't know what Sinead's diagnosis is, but guilt and many mental illnesses go hand-in-hand. During bad times, I've had very intense feelings of guilt and shame, turning my anxiety up to a ten, worrying about what other people thought of my antics, and then the guilt usually compels you to behave even more destructively. There's a circularity to it - destructive behaviour, guilt, even more destructive behaviour, even more guilt, and on and on until you get to the point where you feel worthless and don't even care very much about living anymore. Luckily Facebook and Twitter weren't really a thing in my life when I was going through the worst of times! I can only imagine that being in the public eye, where every impulsive thing you say or do is seen by so many people, probably amplifies those feelings.

She could do with taking a prolonged break from all of this, and maybe quitting for good. The environment just doesn't seem conducive to maintaining a health state of mind, especially when she's already in a fragile state.

haveringchick · 01-12-2015 11:35pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Really, such an ignorant post.

So Sinead's posts on Facebook are just to satisfy her attention cravings.
Is that all mental illness is to you?

Do you realise the mental illness of a mass murderer is completely different to that of a suicidal person. Just like in normal medicine how a broken leg is completely different to cancer but still require attention.
I really feel sorry for Sinead, I've been listening to her music for over 30'years. She is a fantastic talent that we should treasure and realise she has psychological issues. Support is what she needs not ignorance. .

This country is still full of people who just can't stop themselves from smirking scornfully when they hear the term mental illness
Mental illness to them is just a fancy term for "looking for notice"
Reading some posts here it really is no wonder the suicide stats are so high
"Attention seeking" "publicity stunt" etc
Imagine being closely involved with one of these posters and suddenly being plunged into depression or panic attacks brought on by stress and anxiety?
Imagine reaching out to your loved one for help and being told that your just looking for notice?

maebee · 01-12-2015 11:59pm

holyhead wrote: »

Just been reading her latest batch of posts. God love her. She is clearly in distress. I don't think FB is the place to be unloading personal grievances and I think for her own sake she should have her account suspended until she is in a better place. We can all do or say things when we are vulnerable we wouldn't say in the ordinary scheme of things. I really hope she gets to a better place. I can understand where people are coming from when they may be cynical towards her given past history. In this case though I think she is genuinely in trouble emotionally. Her posts are in content extreme, inflammatory towards her family and friends and once on fb it is viewable forever I imagine.

Sad/strange that she has to communicate with her family through FB.

Stheno · 02-12-2015 12:02am

maebee wrote: »

Sad/strange that she has to communicate with her family through FB.

My family and I communicate through FB/Whatsapp, we even have a special group set up on whatsapp

maebee · 02-12-2015 12:08am

Stheno wrote: »

My family and I communicate through FB/Whatsapp, we even have a special group set up on whatsapp

Do you air all you family grievances on FB/Whatsapp?

Stheno · 02-12-2015 12:09am

maebee wrote: »

Do you air all you family grievances on FB/Whatsapp?

Not at all, but our whatsapp group is there to communicate what's going on etc.

That said at the moment none of my family members on the group are seriously mentally ill as appears to be the case with Ms. O'Connor.

maebee · 02-12-2015 12:15am

Stheno wrote: »

Not at all, but our whatsapp group is there to communicate what's going on etc.

That said at the moment none of my family members on the group are seriously mentally ill as appears to be the case with Ms. O'Connor.

That's between yourselves, which is ok. SOC has made her private family affairs available for everyone to see.

Stheno · 02-12-2015 12:17am

maebee wrote: »

That's between yourselves, which is ok. SOC has made her private family affairs available for everyone to see.

True all our facebook profiles are private

worded · 02-12-2015 12:29am

Sinead is probably the best irish vocalist alive.
She is an outstanding talented musician.

You tube "sinead oconnor live"

Fire in Babylon is amazing, the Power in her voice

There is a thin line between genius and madness

Keep it together sinead.

grey_so_what · 02-12-2015 12:54am

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Agreed. Which makes the fact that Sinead O'Connor chooses to disclose every minute detail of her personal life though the media circus of Facebook all the more objectionable.
If she wants to get better, she should close her Facebook account immediately, or if Facebook want to be seen to be acting in a responsible fashion, they should suspend her Facebook account immediately.

I'd like to think Harry that the people close to her would guide her in that direction....It's not doing her any good in the long term...:(

anewme · 02-12-2015 7:30am

You'd have to have a heart of stone not to be upset for her if you read her latest post begging her family to visit and help her after banishing them a few hours earlier.

These are the people to feel sorry for, thrust into the public eye through no fault of their own.

Living with a family member with mental illness is not easy and those people must be running the gauntlet of all emotions.

this is one of those situations where if you can't say anything nice, then say nothing. Even if you've no respect for Sinead, please think of her family at this difficult time.

Grayditch · 02-12-2015 8:28am

She's going to lose a lot of fans with that latest post, sick or not.

She should have her phone taken off her, having an instant audience from bed isn't helping her.

02-12-2015 8:52am

Stheno wrote: »

My family and I communicate through FB/Whatsapp, we even have a special group set up on whatsapp

Family groups are a completely different thing . Nobody else can see them . I use them too. It's not public for the whole world to see and comment on.

If I was having a breakdown I'd either be RINGING someone .....or not talking at all.

The trouble with celebrities is that social media is their PRIMARY way of communicating and getting feedback/validation for everything they do .

intheclouds · 02-12-2015 8:57am

Deleted User wrote: »

The trouble with celebrities is that social media is their PRIMARY way of communicating and getting feedback/validation for everything they do .

I dont think its anything to do with being a celebrity. Ive seen ordinary people with mental health issues suffer very public FB breakdowns - its just the cry for help, the way of attracting attention for some people.

walshb · 02-12-2015 9:04am

anewme wrote: »

You'd have to have a heart of stone not to be upset for her if you read her latest post begging her family to visit and help her after banishing them a few hours earlier.

I know a lot of my posts on the thread have come across that I don't care, but yes, reading some of the stuff does make me feel sad for her. I still cannot accept that there isn't a real element of attention seeking and deliberatness here. She's been like this for far too long for me to think that this is a real cry for help. At what point must she take real responsibility for what is happening with her family situation?

JustShon · 02-12-2015 9:08am

walshb wrote: »

I still cannot accept that there isn't a real element of attention seeking and deliberatness here.

Wouldn't you think that going so far for a bit of attention is an indication of serious mental illness?

If she did do all this for attention then she still needs professional help with her mental health. She still has a serious illness.

The Sun King · 02-12-2015 9:23am

"If at first you don't succeed, try try again."

What a disgusting thing to post. Sounds like a childish taunt.

walshb · 02-12-2015 9:27am

The Sun King wrote: »

"If at first you don't succeed, try try again."

What a disgusting thing to post. Sounds like a childish taunt.

Maybe the penny is dropping here in all of this.

kunst nugget · 02-12-2015 9:40am

walshb wrote: »

At what point must she take real responsibility for what is happening with her family situation?

You really, really don't seem to be getting the problem with a person suffering from bipolar disorder and how it can completely askew their thought processes and perception of the world around them. Those around her will have to manage her family situation while she is ill because she'll be incapable of doing it herself at the moment.

poisonated · 02-12-2015 10:52am

I think her Facebook page has been deactivated.

Sinead O'Connor facebook post today

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