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M21 - Limerick to Rathkeale/Foynes [advance works to commence shortly]

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  • #102
    Irish_rat
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    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Motorway, definitely to what is (hopefully) an M21/M69 split. As to whether the N69 will be 'M', who knows.

    Wow didn't know this would be HQDC grade to the N69 junction. I don't think it needs to be GSJ'd though. A roundabout will suffice.

    This should improve the N21 through Limerick a good bit. Travel times from the City to the Kerry border are very poor for the amount of distance driven. Normally takes an hour with traffic at Adare and NCW being the main hindrance


  • #103
    Cookiemunster
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    Irish_rat wrote: »
    Wow didn't know this would be HQDC grade to the N69 junction. I don't think it needs to be GSJ'd though. A roundabout will suffice.

    This should improve the N21 through Limerick a good bit. Travel times from the City to the Kerry border are very poor for the amount of distance driven. Normally takes an hour with traffic at Adare and NCW being the main hindrance

    No, no, no, no and no. If the money is there then build a proper junction. Roundabouts at the end of dual carriageways lead to tailbacks when traffic is heavy. This road is supposed to get rid of tailbacks.


  • #104
    marno21
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    Irish_rat wrote: »
    Wow didn't know this would be HQDC grade to the N69 junction. I don't think it needs to be GSJ'd though. A roundabout will suffice.

    This should improve the N21 through Limerick a good bit. Travel times from the City to the Kerry border are very poor for the amount of distance driven. Normally takes an hour with traffic at Adare and NCW being the main hindrance
    An upgrade of the N20, N21, N22 and N23 would completely change the dynamic of the southwest. The travel times on these 4 roads at present (less so the N23) are atrocious.


  • #105
    medoc
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    Sorry if it's been mentioned before but, assuming the new road is a HQDC/Motorway from the end of the existing N21 dual carriageway to the split of the M(N)21 and N69 how will the "mythic" M20 to Cork join this road assuming it's ever finally built.


  • #106
    quizzical
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    If it comes down to money and staying on budget, would they go with the Orange Route?? Is that the shortest??


  • #107
    Vanquished
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    medoc wrote: »
    Sorry if it's been mentioned before but, assuming the new road is a HQDC/Motorway from the end of the existing N21 dual carriageway to the split of the M(N)21 and N69 how will the "mythic" M20 to Cork join this road assuming it's ever finally built.

    Via an interchange just to the south west of the existing Attyflin junction (M20 J5) which would be closed.


  • #108
    YeaYeaSure
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭YeaYeaSure


    Will be interesting to see which route is used. The SFPC are in favour of the most direct route (red) and are backed by EU(who are funding the project), it will be up to the NRA to convince them to spend some more cash and add in the Adare bypass.


  • #109
    marno21
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    YeaYeaSure wrote: »
    Will be interesting to see which route is used. The SFPC are in favour of the most direct route (red) and are backed by EU(who are funding the project), it will be up to the NRA to convince them to spend some more cash and add in the Adare bypass.
    If all that comes of this scheme is a direct motorway beside the N69 to Foynes then I give up hope of any sort of decent road network in Ireland.


  • #110
    YeaYeaSure
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭YeaYeaSure


    marno21 wrote: »
    If all that comes of this scheme is a direct motorway beside the N69 to Foynes then I give up hope of any sort of decent road network in Ireland.


    It won't be a motorway if that happens.


  • #111
    Treepole
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭Treepole


    The Government included the Adare by pass as part of it's Captial Programme annoucement a couple of months ago. They also announced the N69 upgrade as a separate project. You can look at that two ways, one that they will be independent projects, or that they are trying to be a bit clever as they have the inside track and know that the route to be chosen will incorporate the Adare bypass so in essence they kill two birds with one stone.


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  • #112
    YeaYeaSure
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    Treepole wrote: »
    The Government included the Adare by pass as part of it's Captial Programme annoucement a couple of months ago. They also announced the N69 upgrade as a separate project. You can look at that two ways, one that they will be independent projects, or that they are trying to be a bit clever as they have the inside track and know that the route to be chosen will incorporate the Adare bypass so in essence they kill two birds with one stone.

    Yea had noticed that all right. I'd find it hard to believe they would be two separate projects.


  • #113
    marno21
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    YeaYeaSure wrote: »
    It won't be a motorway if that happens.
    Whilst I'm not sure if it applies here, the stipulation for the upgrade of the N28 Cork-Ringaskiddy road was that it was a controlled access road (not sure of the exact term used), the only road type of which in Ireland is motorway. If the same restriction applies here, the N69 element of this, beit from the Adare bypass or direct from the N18, would have to be motorway.


  • #114
    marno21
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    Treepole wrote: »
    The Government included the Adare by pass as part of it's Captial Programme annoucement a couple of months ago. They also announced the N69 upgrade as a separate project. You can look at that two ways, one that they will be independent projects, or that they are trying to be a bit clever as they have the inside track and know that the route to be chosen will incorporate the Adare bypass so in essence they kill two birds with one stone.
    That capital investment plan was very sneaky. EU funded projects (N28/N69), PPP's that were announced as part of a roads package in 2009 (N25, N6, N11, N17/N18), minature secondary schemes (N56) or schemes that were started already (N56).

    No major groundbreaking schemes (M20, N21, N24, N40 etc)


  • #115
    Treepole
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Whilst I'm not sure if it applies here, the stipulation for the upgrade of the N28 Cork-Ringaskiddy road was that it was a controlled access road (not sure of the exact term used), the only road type of which in Ireland is motorway. If the same restriction applies here, the N69 element of this, beit from the Adare bypass or direct from the N18, would have to be motorway.

    At a meeting I attended the view was that if the spur from Adare was chosen that it would be a "high quality single lane" road with very few access points between Adare and Foynes. I don't know anything about roads so I don't know if a single lane road would meet the EU requirements for Foynes.


  • #116
    Chris_5339762
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    At least part of the N28 is planned (we know) to be non-motorway. Just the end bit. So by that logic a fair whack of this scheme will be motorway, but I don't think an M69 will lead directly into the port, say.


  • #117
    quizzical
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    Could it be the blue route then?


  • #118
    Treepole
    Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭Treepole


    Following from a discussion in the Limerick forum.

    The council captial budget announcement includes the following:

    - €6.3m on N69 Foynes to Limerick road


    But no mention of an Adare bypass. Could be another pointer towards the preferred route being the Red one.


  • #119
    dashoonage
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    Treepole wrote: »
    Following from a discussion in the Limerick forum.

    The council captial budget announcement includes the following:

    - €6.3m on N69 Foynes to Limerick road


    But no mention of an Adare bypass. Could be another pointer towards the preferred route being the Red one.

    Thats just to replace the wild Atlantic way signs and to paint the ferrybridge again.


  • #120
    spacetweek
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    dashoonage wrote: »
    Thats just to replace the wild Atlantic way signs and to paint the ferrybridge again.

    Agreed - that just sounds like maintenance of the existing, soon to be downgraded N69.


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  • #121
    Treepole
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    Any leaks on this?
    Would be very surprised if it made it as far as next Tuesday without news on the preferred route slipping out.


  • #122
    dashoonage
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    Treepole wrote: »
    Any leaks on this?
    Would be very surprised if it made it as far as next Tuesday without news on the preferred route slipping out.

    Nadda......Their security budget must be fantastic.


  • #123
    quizzical
    Registered Users Posts: 41 ✭quizzical


    Not a dicky bird!...... I'm so surprised it has been kept so quite....


  • #124
    dashoonage
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    quizzical wrote: »
    Not a dicky bird!...... I'm so surprised it has been kept so quite....

    I'm still expecting clowns and a parade....

    I'd also like some sort of countdown on the website...


  • #125
    D Trent
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    dashoonage wrote: »
    Thats just to replace the wild Atlantic way signs and to paint the ferrybridge again.

    Why are they replacing WAW signs?


  • #126
    dashoonage
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    D Trent wrote: »
    Why are they replacing WAW signs?

    Wrong shade of brown used in them.


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  • #127
    D Trent
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    dashoonage wrote: »
    Wrong shade of brown used in them.

    Wtf


  • #128
    dashoonage
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    OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH were getting close now.......


  • #129
    rliston
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    dashoonage wrote: »
    OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH were getting close now.......

    And still no leaks!


  • #130
    dashoonage
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    rliston wrote: »
    And still no leaks!

    someone....somewhere...knows....


  • #131
    pajoguy
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    dashoonage wrote: »
    someone....somewhere...knows....

    The printers even know!


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  • #132
    dashoonage
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    Yay! clowns!

    See post #137


  • #133
    Deedsie
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    @foyneslimerick: Public Display of Preferred Route Corridor for Foynes to Limerick commences at 2pm on 1st Dec, see foyneslimerick.ie


  • #134
    Cookiemunster
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    From the website

    Drawings and a brochure outlining the preferred route corridor will be available at the public display sessions, the Mid West National Road Design Office and on the project website at www.foyneslimerick.ie from 2pm on Tuesday 1st December 2015


  • #135
    dashoonage
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    so what your saying is drawings will be available form 2pm on Dec 1st ?


  • #136
    rliston
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    Looks like the website is ready to go, there's a password protected page for December Public Display


  • #137
    Sam Russell
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    Sam Russell - @dashoonage : Constructive replies only, please.


  • #138
    YeaYeaSure
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    Route 3 . Orange bas been selected.


  • #139
    Cookiemunster
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    From the website.

    There have been four amendments to Route Corridor Option 3 (Orange) since the public consultation in March 2015 as described and shown in the map below:

    Moving the corridor by approximately 350m to the north in the townlands of Rincullia and Craggs to avoid a sensitive ecological habitat along the Ahacronane River.

    Moving the corridor by approximately 250m to the east in the townlands of Boolaglass and Nantinan to further avoid a Cashel in Milltown North which is subject to a Preservation Order under the National Monuments Acts.

    Moving the corridor by approximately 100m to the west in the townland of Kyletaun to further avoid St Joseph’s Cemetery.

    Including a section of Route Corridor Option 1 (Red) to connect with the existing N69 to the west of Askeaton through the townlands of Ballyellinan, Ballycullen and Cloonreask.


  • #140
    spacetweek
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    Very good route.
    Adare bypass, n21 as far as Rathkeale, utilises existing Rathkeale bypass, link road to Askeaton.


  • #141
    YeaYeaSure
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    I can see a lot of HGV's not using it as they went such a round about way. Wont be too much time saved for them.


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  • #142
    marno21
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    M21 & M518? :)


  • #143
    Cookiemunster
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    YeaYeaSure wrote: »
    I can see a lot of HGV's not using it as they went such a round about way. Wont be too much time saved for them.

    It'll be a straight wide road that stays out of towns and villages and connects directly to the M20, M7, N18 and N21, unlike the current N69. I'd be amazed if they didn't use it.


  • #144
    Deedsie
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    It'll be a straight wide road that stays out of towns and villages and connects directly to the M20, M7, N18 and N21, unlike the current N69. I'd be amazed if they didn't use it.

    As long as it's not tolled of course they will use it. The Foynes - Limerick Railway would be a bigger disincentive for hauliers to not use the new road.


  • #145
    AugustusMinimus
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    Deedsie wrote: »
    As long as it's not tolled of course they will use it. The Foynes - Limerick Railway would be a bigger disincentive for hauliers to not use the new road.

    Can't be tolled as its EU funded.


  • #146
    guylikeme
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    AugustusMinimus wrote: »
    Can't be tolled as its EU funded.

    Didn't watergrasshill have that anomaly?


  • #147
    marno21
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    If it's tolled I would imagine they wouldn't raise enough revenue to pay for the cost of operating the toll plaza


  • #148
    spacetweek
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    YeaYeaSure wrote: »
    I can see a lot of HGV's not using it as they went such a round about way. Wont be too much time saved for them.
    That slapping sound is the HGV ban being put on Askeaton. They'll use the new road alright.


  • #149
    spacetweek
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    Wonder how this'll be numbered. Will the existing N69 be downgraded? I'm thinking not as it's a tourist route, no?

    In which case the new Rathkeale-Foynes road will need a new number.

    I reckon it'll be a motorway from Adare to the Rathkeale bypass.


  • #150
    marno21
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    That slapping sound is the HGV ban being put on Askeaton. They'll use the new road alright.
    Askeaton was bypassed in the 1980s, I can't see HGV's being banned from the bypass.

    Kildimo/Clarina/Mungret may be subject to a HGV ban alright


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  • #151
    270WIN
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    was in south court tonight...dual carriage way from adare to rathkeale...single road from rathkeale to foynes...how in the name of god is this of benefit to foynes!!!


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