Body Shaming

EazyD · 01-12-2015 06:07PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Handing cards to fat people telling them they are fat is mean, and also pointless because they probably already know they are fat, plus how is making them feel bad about themselves going to help?

Of course most people would agree that curves are sexier but there is nothing more annoying than this "sexy curves"/ "real woman" thing used to describe someone who genuinely is just morbidly obese. See it all the time on social media.

This. I think it's entirely wrong to shame people for their body/image but likewise I also hate the normalisation of obesity by some people, just kidding themselves and others into believing it's a desirable lifestyle when it's clearly not.

Foxtrol · 01-12-2015 06:12PM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Aye, but I see no indication that any of those posters are overweight.

Many stated that if someone gave a card to them which I would take as someone who would be worried that they’d be their target, ie they’d see themselves as having a weight issue.

Even if they’re all normal sized, what is it about the topic of weight that results in such a strong emotional push back? You can regularly see it whenever a negative comment is said about a fat person in the media. Where are the skinny shaming/alcoholic shaming/smoker shaming/drug addict shaming calls when someone makes a negative comment about them?

Tarzana2 · 01-12-2015 06:15PM

EazyD wrote: »

This. I think it's entirely wrong to shame people for their body/image but likewise I also hate the normalisation of obesity by some people,just kidding themselves and others into believing it's a desirable lifestyle when it's clearly not.

That's not something many people will convinced of. The ideal is to be slim and healthy. A few people will outside this range and will desire being overweight or underweight. The vast majority want to fall within the ideal range.

Foxtrol wrote: »

Where are the skinny shaming/alcoholic shaming/smoker shaming/drug addict shaming calls when someone makes a negative comment about them?

Has nobody in any of these groups ever come forward when shamed? I don't know, but I wouldn'tsay it's never happened just because I've never noticed it.

Anyway, the story in the OP, if true, is indefensible. And the people who make up this overweight-hating group are nothing but a shower of cúnts. Ugly people, ugly word.

Azalea · 01-12-2015 06:16PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Many stated that if someone gave a card to them which I would take as someone who would be worried that they’d be their target, ie they’d see themselves as having a weight issue.

Even if they’re all normal sized, what is it about the topic of weight that results in such a strong emotional push back? You can regularly see it whenever a negative comment is said about a fat person in the media. Where are the skinny shaming/alcoholic shaming/smoker shaming/drug addict shaming calls when someone makes a negative comment about them?

It's very dishonest to suggest that nobody defends drug addicts and alcoholics. Very thin women - I'll give you that, although it would be incorrect to say nobody defends them, and being thin is still celebrated. Anorexic people only receive sympathy from what I've ever seen.

The Highwayman · 01-12-2015 06:19PM

Deep Six wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/overweight-haters-ltd-cards-2-2475425-Nov2015/

So a group in London is handing out these disgusting cards on the tube to people they see as overweight. It's a common trend I've noticed recently, especially where the topic of weight or being over weight is bounced about. It's almost like people are given carte blanche to say whatever they like about people deemed to be beyond what's considered a "normal weight".

What gives these imbeciles any right to treat people like this? What makes them think that just because a person might be overweight, that they have free reign to say whatever they like? FWIW, my wife might be considered overweight by some,but if a person ever handed something like this to her, I'd have their spine ripped out and tied around their neck before the police even have a chance to show up.

Are you fat?

The Highwayman · 01-12-2015 06:31PM

The number of butt hurt fat feminists in this thread is laughable.

Foxtrol · 01-12-2015 06:32PM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Has nobody in any of these groups ever come forward when shamed? I don't know, but I wouldn'tsay it's never happened just because I've never noticed it.

No one needs to come forward to get the fat shaming protection. Magazine picture of how fat a celebrity has gotten results in “how dare you fat shame”, pictures showing how skinny a celebrity has become results in at best nothing, more likely blaming the media and how they fat shame people into being like this.

Sheeps · 01-12-2015 06:33PM

Bunch of fatties moaning about this group tbh

01-12-2015 06:33PM

Because being skinny is seen as nothing to be ashamed of, it's the aesthetic ideal.

Samaris · 01-12-2015 06:33PM

The Highwayman wrote: »

Are you fat?

The Highwayman wrote: »

The number of butt hurt fat feminists in this thread is laughable.

Anyone saying that it's a pretty ****ty thing to do is, if anything, only proving they have a sense of decency.

You mostly appear to be suggesting that you don't.

Sheeps · 01-12-2015 06:35PM

There are people who are naturally large, plus sized etc. These people are not the target of this group. The people who are obese are the targets. Obesity is disgusting and unhealthy. The same opinion that is valid for smokers who have a filthy habit can be held for people who are obese and eat too much.

01-12-2015 06:35PM

The Highwayman wrote: »

The number of butt hurt fat feminists in this thread is laughable.

My butt is far too humongus to be hurt about anything. The fat insulates me from human emotion.

That's the way this is supposed to play out, right?

Foxtrol · 01-12-2015 06:36PM

Azalea wrote: »

It's very dishonest to suggest that nobody defends drug addicts and alcoholics. Very thin women - I'll give you that, although it would be incorrect to say nobody defends them, and being thin is still celebrated. Anorexic people only receive sympathy from what I've ever seen.

Can you link me a few online groups showing support for severely underweight being beautiful or how you can be healthy at any level of drunkenness?

Defending and sympathy is totally different than unwavering support and normalisation of an unhealthy lifestyle choice.

Kev W · 01-12-2015 06:39PM

Sheeps wrote: »

There are people who are naturally large, plus sized etc. These people are not the target of this group. The people who are obese are the targets. Obesity is disgusting and unhealthy. The same opinion that is valid for smokers who have a filthy habit can be held for people who are obese and eat too much.

And how do they tell the difference?

allandanyways · 01-12-2015 06:41PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Handing cards to fat people telling them they are fat is mean, and also pointless because they probably already know they are fat, plus how is making them feel bad about themselves going to help?

Of course most people would agree that curves are sexier but there is nothing more annoying than this "sexy curves"/ "real woman" thing used to describe someone who genuinely is just morbidly obese. See it all the time on social media.

+10000000 to this.

I used to be MASSIVE and I mean I was fcuking huge. My BMI was over 40 and I'm a 5 foot 6 woman. I was morbidly obese and lying to myself about how bad it was. I would brush off rejection from men with that "he just couldn't handle a real woman" bull. The truth of the matter was that I was really fcuking fat and lazy and one day it just clicked, and I've now more or less lost most of the weight and have my BMI in a normal range now.

Anyone who says they're not fat when they are is either lying to themselves or completely delusional. In either case, being overweight is no fun - you're wrecked all the time, clothes shopping is a nightmare, you're so aware of the fact that you're overweight (especially on planes) but for some people, they just learn to live with it. That does not give these clowns an excuse to hand them a bloody business card to let them know the obvious.

Being overweight and obese is not sexy, but we're conditioning ourselves as a society to accept is as such because it's easier than losing weight. Simples and I say that as someone who was fat. Losing weight is really, really hard. Nevertheless, fat-shaming is a disgraceful activity that perpetuates constant negativity. They're not trying to help anyone, they're just being self-righteous díckheads who need to get a grip on their lives and priorities pronto. Into the sea with Westboro as far as I'm concerned.

The Highwayman · 01-12-2015 06:43PM

Samaris wrote: »

Anyone saying that it's a pretty ****ty thing to do is, if anything, only proving they have a sense of decency.

You mostly appear to be suggesting that you don't.

Go find your safe space and post to tumblr telling the world how everyone else is wrong and how people should be attracted to you no matter what you look like!

Again why is always the fat feminists who get upset by things like this? People are dickheads, get over it. You all sound like those children in America University's at the moment.

You need to have a thicker skin and not let idiots and idiotic behaviour get to you. All you want is a reason to be offended or outraged, it's pathetic.

Samaris · 01-12-2015 06:45PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Can you link me a few online groups showing support for being underweight is beautiful or how you can be healthy at any level of drunkenness?
.

http://www.realsimple.com/health/nutrition-diet/weight-loss/secrets-thin-people
https://thinspirationsupport.wordpress.com/
http://www.thinwithin.org/program/
http://www.myproana.com/

The drinking one is trickier, but if anything, I'd say it's normalised through a more insidious method.

Who honestly hasn't heard "I'm going out at the weekend to get langered" or a variant thereof? Frat party scenes in movies. Teenagers that get some vodka in them before going out to a club, encouraged by their friends. That's probably more normalised than even the skinny stuff.

The Highwayman wrote: »

Go find your safe space and post to tumblr telling the world how everyone else is wrong and how people should be attracted to you no matter what you look like!

Again why is always the fat feminists who get upset by things like this? People are dickheads, get over it. You all sound like those children in America University's at the moment.

You need to have a thicker skin and not let idiots and idiotic behaviour get to you. All you want is a reason to be offended or outraged, it's pathetic.

Crikey, you have some anger issues. Firstly, your assertation that only "fat feminists" get annoyed is utterly unprovable, since you've never seen me! Secondly, I dunno how to use Tumblr, not that that matters.

I note you agree that people are dickheads in this particular scenario, which is interesting. You seem to be actually agreeing that it's rude, crass and mean, but...that people shouldn't think it's a disgraceful carry-on because...feminism.

Whut?

Kev W · 01-12-2015 06:45PM

The Highwayman wrote: »

Go find your safe space and post to tumblr telling the world how everyone else is wrong and how people should be attracted to you no matter what you look like!

Again why is always the fat feminists who get upset by things like this? People are dickheads, get over it. You all sound like those children in America University's at the moment.

You need to have a thicker skin and not let idiots and idiotic behaviour get to you. All you want is a reason to be offended or outraged, it's pathetic.

Oh look, 4chan turned into a person.

aaronjumper · 01-12-2015 06:49PM

The Highwayman wrote: »

You need to have a thicker skin and not let idiots and idiotic behaviour get to you. All you want is a reason to be offended or outraged, it's pathetic.

From what I can see the only angry person in here is you.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 01-12-2015 06:50PM

When I'm out and about I frequently see people who must be at least a stone heavier for me out running or jogging. I couldn't catch the buggers if I tried, because I'm in shíte shape at the moment, fitness wise. I smoke, I drink three or four nights a week and I've had takeaway for dinner twice since Saturday. But because I'm slim, nobody seems that concerned about the drain I'm likely to be on the health service. I get fcuking complimented on my ability to put away junk food, fairly often. Somehow the whole 'I'm just concerned about public health' angle doesn't really come up when I'm not inflicting the sight of a fat body on delicate eyeballs.

I don't agree that very slim people don't get comments from strangers about their weight, or that they don't get negative comments, but it's not on the same level as what overweight people get. It's not made into a moral issue. Being overweight is not healthy, but it doesn't mean a person is disgusting or weak or subhuman or selfish or stupid or anything else. It means they're overweight. Not going out of your way to make people feel shít about themselves doesn't mean that you're cheering people on to eat themselves into an early grave. What kind of muppet can't see the grey area between those two extremes?

ancapailldorcha · 01-12-2015 06:50PM

Sheeps & The Highwayman, do not post in this thread again.

01-12-2015 06:56PM

As someone that used to be quite thin, I can say for certain that I would receive comments from people about this.

Thing is - I completely hate body shaming, but I'm also not a huge fan of this body acceptance culture that seems to have been spreading as of late. There is a worrying amount of overweight people in this country, but we are starting to see so many people making a change. Around my area, it's so normal to see groups of people out walking, just for exercise, or running. It's the same in almost every part of Ireland.

Tarzana2 · 01-12-2015 06:58PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Can you link me a few online groups showing support for severely underweight being beautiful

You've never heard of pro-ana websites?

Foxtrol · 01-12-2015 07:00PM

Samaris wrote: »

http://www.realsimple.com/health/nutrition-diet/weight-loss/secrets-thin-people
https://thinspirationsupport.wordpress.com/
http://www.thinwithin.org/program/
http://www.myproana.com/

Had a quick look at them and I didn’t see anything promoting anorexia levels of being underweight as being ok, whereas those directed at larger sizes state any large size is ok.

The drinking one is trickier, but if anything, I'd say it's normalised through a more insidious method.

Who honestly hasn't heard "I'm going out at the weekend to get langered" or a variant thereof? Frat party scenes in movies. Teenagers that get some vodka in them before going out to a club, encouraged by their friends. That's probably more normalised than even the skinny stuff.

Again, there’s a difference between people turning a blind eye or an individual egging someone on and an organised movement advocating for something unhealthy. Your examples there are akin to showing fat people living normal lives in movies and friends telling someone to have a burger. There’s no large scale campaign out there to say no matter how much you drink it’s ok for you.

Tarzana2 · 01-12-2015 07:01PM

Samaris wrote: »

I note you agree that people are dickheads in this particular scenario, which is interesting. You seem to be actually agreeing that it's rude, crass and mean, but...that people shouldn't think it's a disgraceful carry-on because...feminism.

Whut?

The Highwayman seemed such a sensible poster at first, I can't believe it transpires that his logic is woolly. Who'd have thunk it? :pac:

01-12-2015 07:04PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Had a quick look at them and I didn’t see anything promoting anorexia levels of being underweight as being ok, whereas those directed at larger sizes state any large size is ok.

You obviously didn't look at some of the linked sites properly. There's some harrowing stuff on there.

I also don't think that "skinny" is the ideal, as such. Not anorexia levels of it. That is still seen as unhealthy by most of society.

Tarzana2 · 01-12-2015 07:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Thing is - I completely hate body shaming, but I'm also not a huge fan of this body acceptance culture that seems to have been spreading as of late.

Is it spreading though? Do people really want to be overweight now generally? I doubt it. And you even admit you see more and more people out exercising. This is telling me that it's not spreading.

Tarzana2 · 01-12-2015 07:06PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Had a quick look at them and I didn’t see anything promoting anorexia levels of being underweight as being ok, whereas those directed at larger sizes state any large size is ok.

Then you didn't really look at them, probably because you didn't want them to disprove your point.

Foxtrol · 01-12-2015 07:07PM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

You've never heard of pro-ana websites?

I’ve heard a tiny movement but never seen them get any credible media attention or large scale support when compared to those trying to normalise people being fat. For example I certainly haven’t seen a thread where numerous posters threatened violence towards someone being mean to one of theirs.

They mustn’t have enough weight behind their campaigns… :pac:

Tarzana2 · 01-12-2015 07:11PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I’ve heard a tiny movement but never seen them get any credible media attention or large scale support when compared to those trying to normalise people being fat.

First you said there was none, now you say there is a "tiny movement". What mainstream, large-scale source has been singing the praises of obesity?

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