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TrustedApple · 26-11-2015 01:38PM #1

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Stheno · 26-11-2015 01:40PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

Hi guys i got a job offer there the other day and i never talked to them about my wages i got the contract there and i am not impressed with the wages at all and its a lot less then other people i know who work in the same kind of roles in IT. In the interview they never brought up wages or anything like that and i didnt because i am not rude.

I cant live on them wages due to the fact rent is gone nuts and i am still paying off my student loan and in the job i am in now i get a better wage for a less role.

Will i be wrong to ask for more money for the role ?.

You can ask but itmay make no difference. What's the job and salary if you don't mind me asking?

TrustedApple · 26-11-2015 01:45PM

Stheno wrote: »

You can ask but itmay make no difference. What's the job and salary if you don't mind me asking?

IT software engineer in a large multinash company.

9 euros a hour i am bit insulted at that wage its less then min wage

. As i have no proper exp in the role i was expecting something near the 11 + euro range.

goldenhoarde · 26-11-2015 01:47PM

They may have chosen not to talk money in the interview but they no doubt gave you the chance for "Have you any questions?"

You really should have asked if you didn't know the salary prior. BTW its not rude to discuss salary at an interview.

They may be lowballing you as you didn't ask.

If you had asked and they said Salary is 20 you could have countered with "In my current role my salary exceeds that and as this role has more responsibilities I would be looking for a higher salary (in the range x to y?)"

Stheno · 26-11-2015 01:48PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

IT software engineer in a large multinash company.

9 euros a hour i am bit insulted at that wage its less then min wage . As i have no proper exp in the role i was expecting something near the 11 + euro range.

So that's 18.5k per year likele due to your having no experience. Is it directly with the company or through another company?

toadfly · 26-11-2015 01:55PM

You accepted a job without asking how much you would be paid? Thats ridiculous, fair enough not asking in the interview but when offered you should have asked.

Theres not much you can do at this stage, you can ask but they will think it crazy you didnt ask before this.

Minimum wage is €8.65, I imagine you will be increased to at least €9.15 after 1st January.

Stheno · 26-11-2015 01:56PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

They did give the chance to ask for any questions i never ask about wages in interviews as i find it a very rude question to ask.

Directly with the company the wage is coming from. I was looking online on glass door and the entry lv wages go a lot higher then what the offered me in ireland.

I have not singed the contact yet but i will speak to them monday as i have to met HR 1st thing.

Quite upset that i went to college for 4 years to get a skill and i get offered less that what i make now is a bit insulting.

What do you work at now?

mckar · 26-11-2015 01:58PM

If its a case of you can not live on it and you will need to move on anyway because of wages you have nothing to loose saying it to them.

Looks like they used it to their advantage aswel with the fact you didn't ask. The new minimum wage doesn't kick in till after the new year.

purpleisafruit · 26-11-2015 02:03PM

What kind of IT role is paying that little? I'm a graduate working for an MNC and earn over double that

purpleisafruit · 26-11-2015 02:10PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

Well other friends of mine work in the same kind of roles in entry lv in IT. Its a entry lv role and its a grad role with a 6 month contact. I am working in hospitality at the moment. The job is a IT engineer.

Thats the plan with working about the wages i don't know will it be best to speak to them in person or over the phone ?.

A grad role in IT would want to be at least 25k really. I know from my own classmates, most have started working on over 30k. This is mostly in Cork. Those in Dublin are paid more

Stheno · 26-11-2015 02:11PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

Well other friends of mine work in the same kind of roles in entry lv in IT. Its a entry lv role and its a grad role with a 6 month contact. I am working in hospitality at the moment. The job is a IT engineer.

Thats the plan with working about the wages i don't know will it be best to speak to them in person or over the phone ?.

Speak to them in person. Don't be expecting them to increase the offer though. Are There any benefits offered?

lawred2 · 26-11-2015 02:11PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

Hi guys i got a job offer there the other day and i never talked to them about my wages i got the contract there and i am not impressed with the wages at all and its a lot less then other people i know who work in the same kind of roles in IT. In the interview they never brought up wages or anything like that and i didnt because i am not rude.

I cant live on them wages due to the fact rent is gone nuts and i am still paying off my student loan and in the job i am in now i get a better wage for a less role.

Will i be wrong to ask for more money for the role ?.

You'll need to either wise up or toughen up

Asking about your terms and conditions is not rude. It's expected. Not doing so sets you up from being taken advantage of. It can come across as something that's not on your priority list.

Job interviews are often your best chance to secure a significant salary bump as salary reviews mid employments can be much harder to justify.

Just politely respond that this is below your expectations and market rates for that position.. negotiation will be expected.

lawred2 · 26-11-2015 02:12PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

They did give the chance to ask for any questions i never ask about wages in interviews as i find it a very rude question to ask.

Directly with the company the wage is coming from. I was looking online on glass door and the entry lv wages go a lot higher then what the offered me in ireland.

I have not singed the contact yet but i will speak to them monday as i have to met HR 1st thing.

Quite upset that i went to college for 4 years to get a skill and i get offered less that what i make now is a bit insulting.

jesus wept

GoodBridge · 26-11-2015 02:20PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

In the interview they never brought up wages or anything like that and i didnt because i am not rude.

No offence intended but this was a little bit naive.

You talking about the money they'll give you is only as rude as them talking about the work they want you to do, i.e. it's not.

You're there to discuss a) what you can do for them and b) what they can do for you. If you skip the second part, you're basically volunteering.

circadian · 26-11-2015 02:22PM

If you want a career then you have to negotiate salary. It is not rude to talk money and you'll get fleeced if you don't take the initiative.

I started in I.T 2 years ago. I'm earning twice what I started on not to mention additional benefits and bonuses thrown in and now I have 2 work from home days a week.

Provided you don't over value your services, you'll likely get hired. Any company not willing to not negotiate will possibly be looking to cut costs elsewhere and should be approached with caution.

If I were you I'd consider if this job will provide you with the experience you need. Will it open doors? Are there other opportunities around?

You might have to bite the bullet, adjust your living arrangements, take the job if it's got more to offer than money and learn from this experience.

Geuze · 26-11-2015 02:42PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

IT software engineer in a large multinash company.

9 euros a hour i am bit insulted at that wage its less then min wage . As i have no proper exp in the role i was expecting something near the 11 + euro range.

The media keep saying that MNCs are finding it hard to hire software engineers.

I find it very difficult to reconcile that with wages of 18,252 pa.

How can an employer get away with 18k, especially with Dublin rents?

The shortage seems to be made up by the media.

Geuze · 26-11-2015 02:44PM

I would hope that graduates with level 8 degrees in IT and programming are starting on 24k minimum.......

mightyreds · 26-11-2015 02:47PM

34/35k seems to be the rate this year.for graduate positions

lawred2 · 26-11-2015 02:49PM

Geuze wrote: »

The media keep saying that MNCs are finding it hard to hire software engineers.

I find it very difficult to reconcile that with wages of 18,252 pa.

How can an employer get away with 18k, especially with Dublin rents?

The shortage seems to be made up by the media.

one company chancing their arm with a below market offer for a candidate who made no mention of salary in an interview is evidence for a meeja hoax..

I take it you don't work in IT

Saipanne · 26-11-2015 02:52PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

They did give the chance to ask for any questions i never ask about wages in interviews as i find it a very rude question to ask.

Here's my view on this topic. Know your worth and behave like you know what you're worth.

If you don't do this, you're not worth it.

Works for me.

BGozIE · 26-11-2015 02:52PM

circadian wrote: »

If you want a career then you have to negotiate salary. It is not rude to talk money and you'll get fleeced if you don't take the initiative.

I started in I.T 2 years ago. I'm earning twice what I started on not to mention additional benefits and bonuses thrown in and now I have 2 work from home days a week.

Provided you don't over value your services, you'll likely get hired. Any company not willing to not negotiate will possibly be looking to cut costs elsewhere and should be approached with caution.

If I were you I'd consider if this job will provide you with the experience you need. Will it open doors? Are there other opportunities around?

You might have to bite the bullet, adjust your living arrangements, take the job if it's got more to offer than money and learn from this experience.

Sound advice there.

From my own point of view, I find it hard to quantify how you are getting paid so little? I got paid more per hour in a part time job while in college (in retail)

What exactly are you doing? If you are writing code for that money I am a tad suprised. Although as quoted above, if you need this experience and havent had much luck with employment since garduating maybe its not so bad?

KERSPLAT! · 26-11-2015 02:54PM

When exactly were you going to ask them about the salary!?

purpleisafruit · 26-11-2015 02:55PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

Like the company at the moment is moving into a new flag ship office in cork that is nearly twice the size of what they have at the moment and thats why i am wondering about the low ball they have the money for that ?. But not the wage.

I had my sister look over the contact there notting about bank holidays, over time anything like that in it so i need to speak to them about that as well.

I know i might have to bite the bullet but when rent is 400 euro + for a basic room a month you understand that wages play a big part.

If it's the company I'm thinking it is, it's a massively low offer for them. They're generally paying around 30k for those roles.

lawred2 · 26-11-2015 02:57PM

Saipanne wrote: »

Here's my view on this topic. Know your worth and behave like you know what you're worth.

If you don't do this, you're not worth it.

Works for me.

exactly

We've quite frequently hired a candidate with a higher wage expectation than rival candidates... they value their own work and if they can back that valuation up in the interview; they are a far more impressive candidate than the timid one who presents themselves available at a below market rate.

Hiring is a pain. And most companies do not like churn. Hiring the wrong candidates is a sure fire way of creating staff churn.

FortySeven · 26-11-2015 02:58PM

That is ridiculous for any job. Never mind IT with a degree. OP. World is not fair, you need to fight your own corner, they saw you coming a mile away.
Tell them to swing and find yourself a proper job. I was making more than that behind a bar in 2009. In Galway. Laughable.

Upstream · 26-11-2015 03:11PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

As the reason i didn't ask for wages is that before in a interview i asked how much i wonted for the role and they sent me a rejecting because of me asking for to much money the next day.

Thats the plan as i was looking at market rates other then my friends for the role and i know to expact to 25k for the role as a grad. I would have taking anything over 20K a year to be fair.

There is no benefits just that i might be needed to work in there other 3 offices around Ireland from time to time.

Who was the company that rejected you for asking about wages?

How much did you ask for then? 50k + benefits

Only joking, it sounds like you were just looking for the around the market average. Maybe they had the role already filled and were looking for an excuse to decline you. But otherwise that's a pretty harsh attitude for them to take - potential employee wanting a reasonable salary :eek:, no way can we have that :mad:
At least it's a buyers market at the moment, you should be able to to get better elsewhere if you can't negotiate up a little. Experience counts for a lot though, so bear that in mind too.

Mrs OBumble · 26-11-2015 03:12PM

OP, I smell a rat here. You say you have a degree - what exactly is it, and where from?

Frankly, I'm not believing that you got offered only E9/hour, if it really is a software engineering role, and you have a real degree in it.

Could you have misunderstood? I'm trying not too be mean here, but the English in your posts is a little "informal", which makes me wonder if there's something else going on.

Also, fyi, it is quite normal for candidates to negotiate on salary: the employer makes an offer, you assess it and ask for more, they consider and offer somehwere in between, you accept and everyone is happy.

I would go so far as to say that if i offered a job to someone and they didn't try to negotiate salary, then I either offered too much or chose the wrong person.

Stheno · 26-11-2015 03:27PM

TrustedApple wrote: »

I know thats the only problem i find in IT is that i don't really have the exp other then 4 months on a college placement

What is the exact role you have been offered? Is it support, or coding? Given that you may have to move offices it sounds like support?

BGozIE · 26-11-2015 03:27PM

Dont think people need to jump on the OP's back here.

OP I think the best to thing to do is ask for clarification on your salary and if your not happy, dont take the job. Hopefully you have gotten the advice you were looking for.

Its hard for people to best advise you, as your story is slighlty vague and saying your a software engineer means a few things to a few people.

Jonti · 26-11-2015 03:31PM

You are off your head if you accept and entry job in IT at €9 per hour! You didn't go to college for four years to get paid minimum wage.
Non qualified people I know earn more than that!
Get on the phone to HR and tell them you want at least €20 per hour to start with.
People and companies take advantage of people that don't ask questions by offering them sh-t money and terms and conditions. Man up.

BGozIE · 26-11-2015 03:36PM

Jonti wrote: »

You are off your head if you accept and entry job in IT at €9 per hour! You didn't go to college for four years to get paid minimum wage.
Non qualified people I know earn more than that!
Get on the phone to HR and tell them you want at least €20 per hour to start with.
People and companies take advantage of people that don't ask questions by offering them sh-t money and terms and conditions. Man up.

I agree the salary is ridiculous, thing about this is, OP hasnt explicitly stated what it is they are doing, if its an Honours degree or how much experience they have. OP needs to clarify this.

That being said your right, it is a shocking salary for someone with any qualifications in IT.

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