Turkey shoots down Russian fighter plane

MPFGLB wrote: »

Its a minefield..(no pun intended) ..nobody really knows who is an extremist and who is not ..depends on your definition

And people are changing sides ( i mean the big players)

I guess there are no real good guys/bad guys ...except ISIS .(well at least for UK)...sorry

Have to say I am not the greatest fan of Putin but if I were to get behind anyone to get rid of ISIS he be the man

He does possess that streak of ruthlessness that is probably needed to wipe them off the face of the earth, but Russia isn't really known for nation building either, so this mess will still be going on for a long time.

Gringo180 wrote: »

Any link to these warnings please? I still dont see any justification to taking out a Russian jet.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/turkey-warns-russia-airspace-violation-151005110905695.html

Gatling wrote: »

Really come on his topless posing ,bareback riding ,biker gangs ,

He can be cruel and he didn't get rich for no reason .

So his propaganda works on you?

You are damn right he can be cruel, and calculated. He has always been remarked as a cold fish, one who will often say a lot less then what he is thinking and never forgets a slur.

He will make sure to take revenge on Turkey, be it through official lines or just by supplying Assad with even more, and more dangerous weapons.

Turkey will suffer for this, be it tomorrow or 6 months down the line. Putin does not forget or forgive and is about as treacherous/ruthless as they come

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Hate to break it to one, But there have always been and always will be Islamic extremism in the area. They were killing each other well before the west got involved and will be well after the west get the hell out.

Ahh there is a lot of bullsh** there.
Yes there was extremists, but guess what the hard guys like Gaddafi, Mubarak, Assad and Hessein kept them under control.
They weren't nice and they were fooking awful to their own people.
But what has their rmeoval shown.
oh yeah
1. their people are fooking awful to themsevles and have desended in bickering slaughtering tribal numpties
2. And the world was actually probably a safer place with these hard men in place.

The thing is the West opened pandora's box and there are no longer the hard men to keep the loonies in check.
And the Western powers will still pedal it out that they were spreading democracy and if only they had a chance they would spread some more.
They even claim that when talking about removing Assad.
And it is plain to see if you remove Assad you will have ISIS and al nusra.

Jaysus fecking hell when are people going to cop on ?

Jelle1880 wrote: »

No, I'm just pointing out that while Putin isn't helping out ISIS like the Turks are, the guy he's supporting in this mess is as much of a bastard.

Putin is bastard but Erodgan and the Turks have been up to their necks supporting and protecting ISIS and their nutjobs.

Gringo180 wrote: »

There was no Isis or Al Quaeda in Iraq pre 2001. That war set the whole region on fire and was the biggest recruiting tool the head choppers and heart eaters could of ever dreamed of.

Exactly.
Bush and Blair even tried to claim al-qeada got backing from saddam when it was the furthest thing from the truth which was that al-qeada got backing from their own allies the Saudis.

end of the road wrote: »

they weren't warned, they hardly even went into turkish airspace at all.

So the Russians went into Turkish airspace and weren't warned?

Nikolai Calm Urine wrote: »

AH, where everybody is a political/religious/military expert... :rolleyes:

Or a hilarious social commentator

Gringo180 wrote: »

The Americans seem to get away with what they want militarily themselves, there 1000 times worse than the Russians, how many drones are in other countries airspace as we speak?

They have roughly 5000 on the books and god only knows how many off the books projects,

How many a firing Hellfire's from Afghanistan to syria and Iraq probably not as many as people think

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Turkmen militia apparently.

So Turkmen is the buzzword of the day! Yesterday the Turkmen were the inhabitants of a former Soviet Republic in central Asia - today they are an oppressed minority being protected by Turkey from the evil Russians!
But you lot would believe anything and thats what counts.

the evasion_kid wrote: »

"We warn that every target posing a potential threat will be destroyed,” lieutenant general Sergey Rudskoy said during the briefing.

“All military contacts with Turkey will be suspended,” he added."

Sounds like if a Turkish aircraft comes within range we will blow it outa the sky as a "potential" threat

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPmmtrMJyHs

The Russian pilots getting a "welcome" from the "moderate rebels". Putin should turn that place into glass.
Religion of peace.

Terrifying.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

That ISIS don't fight like the Mujahideen ?

They see themselves as a proper state with a strict military doctrine etc.
Sure, they might change tactics when on the backfoot, but they are not similar to the Afghans.

It is not permitted for the caliphate to use guerilla tactics, it will not be legitimate any more.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

That ISIS don't fight like the Mujahideen ?

They see themselves as a proper state with a strict military doctrine etc.
Sure, they might change tactics when on the backfoot, but they are not similar to the Afghans.

And the Mujahideen had the backing of the US

ISIS do not

Isaiah wrote: »

He is ransoming Syrias oil from them to keep his country going.

Assad is a villian, but better him then the snak bars. Or do you support the Islamic extremists?

So he's directly supporting them by purchasing oil and gas from them ,

That's supporting them no amount of spin can change that