Turkey shoots down Russian fighter plane

JPNelsforearm · 24-11-2015 07:58PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So Russia invading airspace was never an act of war ? You know as they were warned not to do it again.

No, this has been done to death, violating someones airspace is not an act of war, and you would have to be very stupid to respond to it by shooting down the offending plane, especially considering the circumstances, eg they werent flying a squadron towards Ankara.
There is clearly a protocal when this happens and Turkey went outside of that, hence the outrage, if what Turkey did was standard practice, it would just be a case of shrugging our shoulders and moving on, but its not, Turkey ****ed up big time. Its time to return it to the Greeks.

Gatling · 24-11-2015 07:59PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

You just hate Russia don't you. If they wanted they could turn Turkey into ash within a few days, but luckily Putin is not a physcopath.

I don't like putin ,

Don't hate Russia or Russians in general ,

Turkey aren't exactly helpless in terms of self defence

Jelle1880 · 24-11-2015 07:59PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I hope Putin lights up Turkey tonight, Erdogan is a Muslim terrorist and a strategic Cruise Missile fired from the Black Sea would quickly neutralize the Turkish if they could eliminate Erdogan. Nato are too frightened to act and Putin should call their bluff and start a campaign of retribution against the Turks. Obama is fully behind Islamic State and Syria is just like the Spanish Civil War a training ground for the bigger battle ahead.

lolz.

Sorry, but that has to be the biggest load of BS I've read in a long time.

Obama being behind ISIS despite ISIS existing long before he came into office, Russia wiping Turkey off the map,...

This isn't Call of Duty.

People thinking Turkey would be wiped from the face of the earth haven't got a clue. Turkey has about 60-70 US nuclear weapons on it's soil, Moscow would be ash before Turkey would get hit.
Stop fantasizing about things that will never happen.

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 08:00PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

How is flying into Turkeys airspace for a few seconds an act of war? Why on earth woukd Russia attack Turkey? Get a grip of yourself ffs.

Same logic of shooting down a Innocent Russian jet on it's way to the shop is an act of war. You know after already breaching Turkeys airspace before and repeatedly warned not to do so. See what ignoring got them.

JPNelsforearm · 24-11-2015 08:01PM

Gatling wrote: »

I don't like putin ,

Don't hate Russia or Russians in general ,

Turkey aren't exactly helpless in terms of self defence

Whats not to like about Putin? He's better then the euro-cucks most European nations have in charge, including us.

Gringo180 · 24-11-2015 08:01PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Hate to break it to one, But there have always been and always will be Islamic extremism in the area. They were killing each other well before the west got involved and will be well after the west get the hell out. So again Why will Russia be shooting down NATO aircraft invading it's Airspace.

There was no Isis or Al Quaeda in Iraq pre 2001. That war set the whole region on fire and was the biggest recruiting tool the head choppers and heart eaters could of ever dreamed of.

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 08:01PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

No, this has been done to death, violating someones airspace is not an act of war, and you would have to be very stupid to respond to it by shooting down the offending plane, especially considering the circumstances, eg they werent flying a squadron towards Ankara.
There is clearly a protocal when this happens and Turkey went outside of that, hence the outrage, if what Turkey did was standard practice, it would just be a case of shrugging our shoulders and moving on, but its not, Turkey ****ed up big time. Its time to return it to the Greeks.

What's standard practice about breaching someone's airspace before, then being warned diplomatically. Warn for weeks not to do it then finally shot down. No act of war there at all.

Gatling · 24-11-2015 08:03PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Whats not to like about Putin? He's better then the euro-cucks most European nations have in charge, including us.

Kinda reminds me of a j Edgar hoover ,

All power till he sticks on a frock or snuggles into his boyfriend

JPNelsforearm · 24-11-2015 08:03PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What's standard practice about breaching someone's airspace before, then being warned diplomatically. Warn for weeks not to do it then finally shot down. No act of war there at all.

Nato members and Russia have been breaching each others airspace for the best part of the last century, standard practice is to escort them out, not shoot them down, shooting planes down is an unsustainable practice.

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 08:04PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Nato members and Russia have been breaching each others airspace for the best part of the last century, standard practice is to escort them out, not shoot them down, shooting planes down is an unsustainable practice.

Cold war is well over got a link to NATO breaching Russian Airspace.

Gringo180 · 24-11-2015 08:05PM

Gatling wrote: »

I don't like putin ,

Don't hate Russia or Russians in general ,

Turkey aren't exactly helpless in terms of self defence

I dont like the man either, but he is not the one supporting Isis, like the Turkish are, and you seem to be doing a lot of defending for them, even justifying this attack on the Russian jet.

Jelle1880 · 24-11-2015 08:06PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

I dont like the man either, but he is not the one supporting Isis, like the Turkish are, and you seem to be doing a lot of defending for them, even justifying this attack on the Russian jet.

No, he's just supporting someone who has no qualms gassing his own people to death.

JPNelsforearm · 24-11-2015 08:08PM

Gatling wrote: »

Kinda reminds me of a j Edgar hoover ,

All power till he sticks on a frock or snuggles into his boyfriend

lol, hes an alpha male, who cares for his country, look at the state of Russia pre Putin. Compare him to cucks like Obama and Kenny, neither care for their country, or worst of all, the communist Merkal, who is actively in the process of destroying her nation and a united Europe.

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 08:09PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

No, he's just supporting someone who has no qualms gassing his own people to death.

What has that got to do exactly with Russia invading Turkish airspace ? Is this a game of Clutching the straws ?

Gatling · 24-11-2015 08:09PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

I dont like the man either, but he is not the one supporting Isis, like the Turkish are, and you seem to be doing a lot of defending for them, even justifying this attack on the Russian jet.

The russian jet flew into Turkey yes ,

The Turkish government has been warning Russia not to for a month they drew a line in the sand ive no love for Turkey but they warned and warned and Russia ignored ,

Why everyone is getting upset is beyond me

Jelle1880 · 24-11-2015 08:10PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What has that got to do exactly with Russia invading Turkish airspace ? Is this a game of Clutching the straws ?

No, I'm just pointing out that while Putin isn't helping out ISIS like the Turks are, the guy he's supporting in this mess is as much of a bastard.

Gringo180 · 24-11-2015 08:10PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Same logic of shooting down a Innocent Russian jet on it's way to the shop is an act of war. You know after already breaching Turkeys airspace before and repeatedly warned not to do so. See what ignoring got them.

They where in there airspace for no longer than 1 minute. Fine if they kept on breaching it on several occasions and went right into Turkish airspace, but this was right on the border, surely the Turks should have some common sense and give them some sort of leeway.

StringerBell · 24-11-2015 08:10PM

Gatling wrote: »

Kinda reminds me of a j Edgar hoover ,

All power till he sticks on a frock or snuggles into his boyfriend

Really? Putin and his capacity for cruelty is not something you should underestimate tbh.

MPFGLB · 24-11-2015 08:11PM

I suppose Russia could close off gas supplies to Turkey but I guess Turkey are alright as they get oil from ISIS & Saudia Arabia

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 08:11PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

lol, hes an alpha male, who cares for his country, look at the state of Russia pre Putin. Compare him to cucks like Obama and Kenny, neither care for their country, or worst of all, the communist Merkal, who is actively in the process of destroying her nation and a united Europe.

oh dear god..... Cant tell if serious. Lets just forget working for the FSB that's the new KGB by the way. And finding ways around the constitution to stay in power.

Baggy Trousers · 24-11-2015 08:12PM

I am lost. 2 questions...
Do the US and UK support the Assad regime or not?
If they support the rebels, how do they know which rebels are not muslim extremists?

kawasaki1100 · 24-11-2015 08:12PM

mikeym wrote: »

Utv Ireland say plane crashed in Syria.

So that means the plane was shot in Syrian airspace.

Dosent really matter where the plane was shot down Putin will make up his own story to suit himself as he is a head the ball. Point is its all playing into the hands of ISIS, everybody takes their eye off the ball over this and suddenly BANG ISIS score a big hit on New York London Paris ..........its all getting a bit scary out there.

Wurzelbert · 24-11-2015 08:12PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPmmtrMJyHs

The Russian pilots getting a "welcome" from the "moderate rebels". Putin should turn that place into glass.
Religion of peace.

horrible and doesn’t get much lower, truly the scum of the earth…yet if they were to move to germany they would be welcomed and get free hugs…

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 08:13PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

They where in there airspace for no longer than 1 minute. Fine if they kept on breaching it on several occasions and went right into Turkish airspace, but this was right on the border, surely the Turks should have some common sense and give them some sort of leeway.

They already did. Warned Russia diplomatically weeks ago and for weeks. One is acting like Russia accidentally flew in for the first time and the Death star de-cloaked and took out an entire Russian fighter wing.

end of the road · 24-11-2015 08:14PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So Russia invading airspace was never an act of war ? You know as they were warned not to do it again.

they weren't warned, they hardly even went into turkish airspace at all. turkey are liars and cannot be trusted themselves

Gatling · 24-11-2015 08:14PM

StringerBell wrote: »

Really? Putin and his capacity for cruelty is not something you should underestimate tbh.

Really come on his topless posing ,bareback riding ,biker gangs ,

He can be cruel and he didn't get rich for no reason .

Jelle1880 · 24-11-2015 08:15PM

end of the road wrote: »

they weren't warned, they hardly even went into turkish airspace at all. turkey are liars and cannot be trusted themselves

Do you have any proof that they weren't warned ?

MPFGLB · 24-11-2015 08:16PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

I am lost. 2 questions...
Do the US and UK support the Assad regime or not?
If they support the rebels, how do they know which rebels are not muslim extremists?

Its a minefield..(no pun intended) ..nobody really knows who is an extremist and who is not ..depends on your definition

And people are changing sides ( i mean the big players)

I guess there are no real good guys/bad guys ...except ISIS .(well at least for UK)...sorry

Have to say I am not the greatest fan of Putin but if I were to get behind anyone to get rid of ISIS he be the man

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 08:16PM

end of the road wrote: »

they weren't warned, they hardly even went into turkish airspace at all. turkey are liars and cannot be trusted themselves

Dear god is anyone not a liar in ones book little point asking really. One does know this has happened weeks ago. And that Russia has been warded diplomatically since then repeatedly not to do this and then is surprised something that was said to happen happened.

Gringo180 · 24-11-2015 08:17PM

Gatling wrote: »

The russian jet flew into Turkey yes ,

The Turkish government has been warning Russia not to for a month they drew a line in the sand ive no love for Turkey but they warned and warned and Russia ignored ,

Why everyone is getting upset is beyond me

Warning them for what. There bombing Isis on the Syrian/Turkish border. Why couldnt they just sort these incursions out politically instead of blowing the jet out of the sky? If anybody is the aggressors here its the Turks. They were the first to draw blood.

Turkey shoots down Russian fighter plane

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