Turkey shoots down Russian fighter plane

Eugene Norman · 24-11-2015 07:17PM

StewartGriffin wrote: »

You mean the anonymous guy who has anonymous family in the game?

Wait a second...how do I know you're really Eugene Norman and not just some schmuck pretending to be Eugene Norman?

I am definitely a schmuck and definitely pretending to be Eugene Norman who isn't actually me, nor I him. Whoever he is. Two random names based on a guy I once knew called Eugene and the 11th C invaders of England.

I was replying to somebody who decried the authority of a poster on the Internet while claiming authority him/herself.

Eugene Norman · 24-11-2015 07:18PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Under the mistaken assumption militarily they can do what they want. That has been proven incorrect. Also I guess they really under estimated Turkeys Air defence and interception times.

Maybe. On the other hand they don't seem to think they can do what they want anymore than the West. As far as I know the UN hasn't authorised anybody in Syria.

InTheTrees · 24-11-2015 07:20PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

On the other hand they don't seem to think they can do what they want anymore than the West.

I think he was referring to the state of Russia's Military.

A mere shadow of the former Soviet Union.

Uboat · 24-11-2015 07:21PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint, I'm not swigging the vodka and thinking of the USSR glory days.

Not swigging vodka but Guinness?

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 07:23PM

Uboat wrote: »

Not swigging vodka but Guinness?

Great contribution to the thread thus far with the 3 posts..... :pac:

Jelle1880 · 24-11-2015 07:24PM

Regarding that video of the heli being blown to pieces.
Seems that channel is from the 1st Coastal Division, who are FSA-alligned troops supplied with American TOW missiles (as can be seen there).

Fleawuss · 24-11-2015 07:35PM

Putin no longer looks the great leader. Amazing how quickly the myth dissolves: a downed jet, a helicopter forced down and destroyed, a botched rescue. Turkey and himself are well met: devious, duplicitous, enmeshed in promoting regional conflict to their own advantage. But for the fact the Turks are in NATO and have connived in the flooding of Europe with refugees this clash would be exactly what both deserve.

The bigger point is that the Balkans and Turkey are a quagmire that Europe should steer well clear of. "Some damn thing in the Balkans" a man said once before 1914. He was proved tragically right.

Stinicker · 24-11-2015 07:35PM

I hope Putin lights up Turkey tonight, Erdogan is a Muslim terrorist and a strategic Cruise Missile fired from the Black Sea would quickly neutralize the Turkish if they could eliminate Erdogan. Nato are too frightened to act and Putin should call their bluff and start a campaign of retribution against the Turks. Obama is fully behind Islamic State and Syria is just like the Spanish Civil War a training ground for the bigger battle ahead.

Gatling · 24-11-2015 07:39PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I hope Putin lights up Turkey tonight, Erdogan is a Muslim terrorist and a strategic Cruise Missile fired from the Black Sea would quickly neutralize the Turkish if they could eliminate Erdogan. Nato are too frightened to act and Putin should call their bluff and start a campaign of retribution against the Turks. Obama is fully behind Islamic State and Syria is just like the Spanish Civil War a training ground for the bigger battle ahead.

Well little Turkey just bitch slapped putin in the front of the world ,

His hard man act has been rumbled

WarZ · 24-11-2015 07:42PM

Gatling wrote: »

Well little Turkey just bitch slapped putin in the front of the world ,

His hard man act has been rumbled

Last I checked Russian backed Assad is making gains and Turkey's allies ISIS are losing a lot of ground.

Turkey downing a plane won't stop Iran and Russia from preventing these Sunni fundamentalists from taking power.

BoJack Horseman · 24-11-2015 07:44PM

Stinicker wrote: »

a strategic Cruise Missile fired from the Black Sea would quickly neutralize the Turkish if they could eliminate Erdogan

Probably not.

Russia has no real options to engage Turkey militarily & it doesn't want to anyway.

Besides, whats the point launching a missile at Turkey when Sevastopol is in easy range for Turkish missiles.

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 07:45PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I hope Putin lights up Turkey tonight, Erdogan is a Muslim terrorist and a strategic Cruise Missile fired from the Black Sea would quickly neutralize the Turkish if they could eliminate Erdogan. Nato are too frightened to act and Putin should call their bluff and start a campaign of retribution against the Turks. Obama is fully behind Islamic State and Syria is just like the Spanish Civil War a training ground for the bigger battle ahead.

Remind us again how they will Fair against NATO, It's not the USSR anymore. Turkey has already superior detection and interception.

Gatling · 24-11-2015 07:45PM

WarZ wrote: »

Last I checked Russian backed Assad is making gains and Turkey's allies ISIS are losing a lot of ground.

Turkey downing a plane won't stop Iran and Russia from preventing these Sunni fundamentalists from taking power.

Wait didn't Russia wipe out Isis weeks ago

Gringo180 · 24-11-2015 07:46PM

Just imagine a Nato member flying into Russian airspace for a few seconds and being blown out of the sky. You'd have the anti Russians on here absolutely destroying them (and rightfully so). But when a Nato member does it to the Russians its "they shouldn't of being in Turkeys airspace". The hypocrisy of some on here sickens me.

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 07:47PM

Gatling wrote: »

Wait didn't Russia wipe out Isis weeks ago

I thought they were still bombing Assad's enemy's first.

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 07:48PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Just imagine a Nato member flying into Russian airspace for a few seconds and being blown out of the sky. You'd have the anti Russians on here absolutely destroying them (and rightfully so). But when a Nato member does it to the Russians its "they shouldn't of being in Turkeys airspace". The hypocrisy of some on here sickens me.

Who is anti Russian ?? Does one mean Anti Russian military thinking it can do what ever it likes. And to be fair there would be no reason to Shoot down NATO aircraft as they don't fly into peoples boarders.

end of the road · 24-11-2015 07:49PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I hope Putin lights up Turkey tonight, Erdogan is a Muslim terrorist and a strategic Cruise Missile fired from the Black Sea would quickly neutralize the Turkish if they could eliminate Erdogan. Nato are too frightened to act and Putin should call their bluff and start a campaign of retribution against the Turks. Obama is fully behind Islamic State and Syria is just like the Spanish Civil War a training ground for the bigger battle ahead.

the only bit of your post that has any merrit is that russia should take revenge against turkey for this act of war

Orangebrigade · 24-11-2015 07:49PM

Communists vs Muslims, I can't decide who is worse at this moment in time.

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 07:50PM

end of the road wrote: »

the only bit of your post that has any merrit is that russia should take revenge against turkey for this act of war

So Russia invading airspace was never an act of war ? You know as they were warned not to do it again.

Stinicker · 24-11-2015 07:50PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Remind us again how they will Fair against NATO, It's not the USSR anymore. Turkey has already superior detection and interception.

Putin could wipe out Turkey in one hour if he wanted, wipe Ankara and Istanbul off the map with a Nuclear strike, Will America, Britain and France retaliate against Putin and risk MAD? I think the time has come for Putin to really show the world what Russia is made of and should immediately launch strikes against Turkey. I'd shed no tears if I woke up to see Turkey turned to glass. Putin should look to the past and see what Russia is capable of and remember what NATO isn't capable of.

Gringo180 · 24-11-2015 07:52PM

Gatling wrote: »

Well little Turkey just bitch slapped putin in the front of the world ,

His hard man act has been rumbled

You just hate Russia don't you. If they wanted they could turn Turkey into ash within a few days, but luckily Putin is not a physcopath.

Yakkyda · 24-11-2015 07:52PM

Jesus, this thread is a farce, of the highest proportions.

NOBODY HERE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

It's almost comical to watch. Very few on here have any true idea of what is really going on in the region, I pretty much read a lot of posts as someone talking loudly, crazy eyes, frothing at the mouth all the while. It's fcukin ridiculous. It might as well all be in full caps.

(yeah, I realise that there's a sentence in this post, full caps and all, but none of us know the full details, this thread has descended into a screaming match basically, no one side will win. But yet the circle of speculation and blame continues unabated. Along with the "proof I've shown" ****)

It'd be entertaining if if wasn't so ****in polarised. (all arguments of this nature will be polarised, but I wish to **** they'd stop ruining after hours, used to be light hearted banter about issues of the day, not this scutter)

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 07:53PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Putin could wipe out Turkey in one hour if he wanted, wipe Ankara and Istanbul off the map with a Nuclear strike, Will America, Britain and France retaliate against Putin and risk MAD? I think the time has come for Putin to really show the world what Russia is made of and should immediately launch strikes against Turkey. I'd shed no tears if I woke up to see Turkey turned to glass. Putin should look to the past and see what Russia is capable of and remember what NATO isn't capable of.

Lay off the Vodka, No one is launching Nuclear weapons. Well in the leaders followers wet dreams they are. And again It may not be a MAD situation anymore I would like to see data on Russia being able to still strike pretty much the Entire world like it used to and not just select places.

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 07:54PM

Yakkyda wrote: »

Jesus, this thread is a farce, of the highest proportions.

NOBODY HERE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

It's almost comical to watch. Very few on here have any true idea of what is really going on in the region, I pretty much read a lot of posts as someone talking loudly, crazy eyes, frothing at the mouth all the while. It's fcukin ridiculous. It might as well all be in full caps.

(yeah, I realise that there's a sentence in this post, full caps and all, but none of us know the full details, this thread has descended into a screaming match basically, no one side will win. But yet the circle of speculation and blame continues unabated. Along with the "proof I've shown" ****)

It'd be entertaining if if wasn't so ****in polarised. (all arguments of this nature will be polarised, but I wish to **** they'd stop ruining after hours, used to be light hearted banter about issues of the day, not this scutter)

And also claims everyone is wrong... Where is the face palm pic.

BoJack Horseman · 24-11-2015 07:54PM

Yakkyda wrote: »

NOBODY HERE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

It's in the thread title.

Is it in dispute?

Gringo180 · 24-11-2015 07:55PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Who is anti Russian ?? Does one mean Anti Russian military thinking it can do what ever it likes. And to be fair there would be no reason to Shoot down NATO aircraft as they don't fly into peoples boarders.

Two of Natos biggest members illegally flew into Iraqi borders around 14 years ago and turned the country into a state rife with Islamic extremism, creating this mess we are in today.

BoJack Horseman · 24-11-2015 07:56PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Putin could wipe out Turkey in one hour if he wanted, wipe Ankara and Istanbul off the map with a Nuclear strike, Will America, Britain and France retaliate against Putin and risk MAD? I think the time has come for Putin to really show the world what Russia is made of and should immediately launch strikes against Turkey. I'd shed no tears if I woke up to see Turkey turned to glass. Putin should look to the past and see what Russia is capable of and remember what NATO isn't capable of.

In the real world, people won't awake tomorrow knowing they have months to live.

Dyr · 24-11-2015 07:57PM

Fairly obvious that the turks, being one of the prime backers of ISIS are getting nervy about increased cooperation between western players and the russians hence the attempt to drive a wedge back between them

Hopefully a few senior turks wind up getting jabbed with umbrellas, might soften their coughs a bit

Gringo180 · 24-11-2015 07:57PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So Russia invading airspace was never an act of war ? You know as they were warned not to do it again.

How is flying into Turkeys airspace for a few seconds an act of war? Why on earth woukd Russia attack Turkey? Get a grip of yourself ffs.

darkpagandeath · 24-11-2015 07:58PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Two of Natos biggest members illegally flew into Iraqi borders around 14 years ago and turned the country into a state rife with Islamic extremism, creating this mess we are in today.

Hate to break it to one, But there have always been and always will be Islamic extremism in the area. They were killing each other well before the west got involved and will be well after the west get the hell out. So again Why will Russia be shooting down NATO aircraft invading it's Airspace.

Turkey shoots down Russian fighter plane

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