Men are disposable

c_man · 24-11-2015 12:24AM

For all the jokey responses here, have ye actually thought this through? Given this site and the demographic, can ye actually not empathise with single men in the 20-40 years old age range being denied sanctuary because... well just because.

I know everyone is right on recently with Canada due to electing a left leaning government, but this is wrong and we shouldn't be afraid to point that out.

Azalea · 24-11-2015 12:27AM

c_man wrote: »

For all the jokey responses here, have ye actually thought this through? Given this site and the demographic, can ye actually not empathise with single men in the 20-40 years old age range being denied sanctuary because... well just because.

People are empathising with them. It’s ****ed up. Don’t know if it’s due to feminism though.

24-11-2015 12:27AM

Ach, the objectors would be the ones on the Titanic saying "women and children first huh? So no lifeboats for men huh? Bloody third wave feminists..."

c_man · 24-11-2015 12:29AM

Azalea wrote: »

People are empathising with them. It’s ****ed up. Don’t know if it’s due to feminism though.

Doesn't really come across that way tbh.

Fr_Dougal · 24-11-2015 12:38AM

Nothing to do with feminism, bit sexist but that's about it.

Can see why they've brought this in as a lot of terrorists are male, but I think it's foolish to think that single women refugees pose zero threat. By announcing this policy they've only given the terrorists ideas, bit silly really.

Icemancometh · 24-11-2015 12:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ach, the objectors would be the ones on the Titanic saying "women and children first huh? So no lifeboats for men huh? Bloody third wave feminists..."

I think it's more along the lines of news reports like "100 people killed in car bomb in Yemen, including 20 women and children." You know, real victims.

Azalea · 24-11-2015 12:42AM

Icemancometh wrote: »

I think it's more along the lines of news reports like "100 people killed in car bomb in Yemen, including 20 women and children."

Yeah I dislike that. I would kinda understand "including 10 children" but I hate the "women" and excluding men thing.

Junkyard Tom · 24-11-2015 01:31AM

hytrogen wrote: »

menssheds.ie perhaps? True story

Pubs?

wakka12 · 24-11-2015 01:32AM

Mar4ix wrote: »

thats strange, might they assumes that terrorist may be only males, but Paris case shows that females also may be terrorists.

Did we only find that out since the Paris attack..?

TheLastMohican · 24-11-2015 02:22AM

Until Rampant Rabbits get myxomatosis, that is!

You really can't beat the genuine roide!

MPFGLB · 24-11-2015 02:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So Canada are openly admitting to not allowing lone male refugees into their country:
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/canada-refugee-plan-women-children-families-1.3330185

This only bothers me because I've been getting more and more fed up with third wave feminism recently. Could you imagine the genders were reversed? The **** storm that would cause. Discriminating against men is perfectly fine these days apparently.

You want to complain about third wave feminism and this is the example you use ? Canada like alot of places are over hyping the fear of terrorists among immigrants and are combating this with ill thought through policies....Nothing to do with feminism.

Also any laws that discriminate against men are just that discriminatory ..not the responsibility of feminism

And wile we are at it ...women are still paid less than men for the same work in the majority of jobs, they still do not occupy high level positions in government , industry , media in the same proportions as men even though they are 50% of the population (approx)
Women still do the lions share of housework & child rearign even when holding done full time jobs

Many women still suffer from domestic violence, sexual assault that goes unpunished and are more likely to be killed by a man than the converse happening
In many part so the world women are owned by father husbands, etc and are not allowed to live freely

So while no one is advocating discrimination forgive me if I do not weep for men who feel emasculated by women seeking to redress centuries of inequality.

kneemos · 24-11-2015 02:43AM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

If something happened here that people had to seek refuge in another country, do the men just leave their family to get on with it?

The eighties happened here.Barely a man left in the place.

iptba · 24-11-2015 03:13AM

I think it is reasonable to say that feminism and feminists generally claim to fight for gender equality but tend to be (in terms of their actions) nearly exclusively focused on helping women.*

So if feminists were to say they were more like a woman's trade union, people might be less inclined to bring them up in situations like this. But that's not what the general message is: they claim to fight for gender equality yet generally seem to do it in a very partial manner.

*Sometimes they may fight for something that may appear to help men but the motivation often seems to be to help women also e.g. paternity leave so women don't lose out in the workforce.

Cookie_Monster · 24-11-2015 03:23AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Can see why they've brought this in as a lot of terrorists are male, but I think it's foolish to think that single women refugees pose zero threat. By announcing this policy they've only given the terrorists ideas, bit silly really.

a lot of them are muslim and / or of arab decent. Why not continue to limit people on those basis instead of just age and gender?

Samaris · 24-11-2015 04:45AM

You know...I was just waiting for the thread to be made on this.

*backs away. Far away.*

Fleawuss · 24-11-2015 05:05AM

Intensive Care Bear wrote: »

That's nothing, I was in Vegas a few months ago and the club inside the MGM was charging $50 for a man to enter and $10 for a woman. Absolute disgrace, i refused to pay and burnt my boxers in protest.

I never cease to be amazed by the way a poster's name can match a post.
So how are you doing in ICU bear? They manage to save anything down there or are you now a feminist?:D

BenedrylPete · 24-11-2015 05:12AM

Mongfinder General wrote: »

It's their country so they can let who they want into it. The problem with Canada is it's already full of Canadians.

I dont like your tone budday.

Cookie_Monster · 24-11-2015 07:36AM

BenedrylPete wrote: »

I dont like your tone budday.

you're not my buddy, guy

Azalea · 24-11-2015 08:57AM

MPFGLB wrote: »

You want to complain about third wave feminism and this is the example you use ? Canada like alot of places are over hyping the fear of terrorists among immigrants and are combating this with ill thought through policies....Nothing to do with feminism.

Also any laws that discriminate against men are just that discriminatory ..not the responsibility of feminism

And wile we are at it ...women are still paid less than men for the same work in the majority of jobs, they still do not occupy high level positions in government , industry , media in the same proportions as men even though they are 50% of the population (approx)
Women still do the lions share of housework & child rearign even when holding done full time jobs

Many women still suffer from domestic violence, sexual assault that goes unpunished and are more likely to be killed by a man than the converse happening
In many part so the world women are owned by father husbands, etc and are not allowed to live freely

So while no one is advocating discrimination forgive me if I do not weep for men who feel emasculated by women seeking to redress centuries of inequality.

I think it's frankly stupid to blame feminism for this development but a couple of things: there are people who are the victims of domestic violence and sexual assault that goes unreported. The idea that women are paid less in the West in the majority of jobs... are we? Isn't it just that women end up earning less overall due to maternity leave/reducing hours?

The rest of what you say is true (the senior positions thing makes the "White men are the most discriminated group" stuff so laughable) but it's not due to discrimination in this day and age.

Women in the West also don't do the really dangerous, life-threatening jobs and have more parental rights.

24-11-2015 09:16AM

I completely forgot I posted this. I was clearly having a bad Monday to create this tenuous link between feminism and the current refugee crisis just to have a go at third wave feminism :pac:

sonny.knowles · 24-11-2015 09:18AM

smash wrote: »

Bitches!

Silly bints

sonny.knowles · 24-11-2015 09:22AM

MPFGLB wrote: »

over hyping the fear of terrorists among immigrants

Over hyping? If anything the danger is being massively downplayed.

Skoop · 24-11-2015 09:28AM

Most terrorists are brown. They should stop letting brown people in. Brown people are more likely to commit terrorist acts. By stopping brown people coming in terrorist acts would be less likely. Cause there'd be less brown people there.

Tarzana2 · 24-11-2015 09:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Could you imagine the genders were reversed? The **** storm that would cause.

"If the situation was reversed there would be uproar!" - one of the most common template phrases on After Hours, often without any basis.

OP, is third wave feminism behind this? Just wondering if you've done your research. Don't know much about it myself. Educate us.

LeBash · 24-11-2015 09:45AM

Why are they taking single women? Clearly these particular women aren't good enough for Syrian guys, so why inflict them on Canadians?

Canada should only take the slamming hottie's to improve the looks of the Canadians in the long term.

24-11-2015 09:46AM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

"If the situation was reversed there would be uproar!" - one of the most common template phrases on After Hours, often without any basis.

OP, is third wave feminism behind this? Just wondering if you've done your research. Don't know much about it myself. Educate us.

Yeah third wave feminism would be behind the uproar if the genders were reversed, and rightly so.

There's a lot female positive movements going on all the time. The latest I can think of in ireland being "Waking the feminists".

Tarzana2 · 24-11-2015 09:49AM

iptba wrote: »

*Sometimes they may fight for something that may appear to help men but the motivation often seems to be to help women also e.g. paternity leave so women don't lose out in the workforce.

When people bring up disparity in salaries between men and women, it's often put forward that the reason for this is because women take breaks for maternity leave that naturally affect career momentum. I wouldn't have thought it was much of a secret that it's thought by some that the parents should be able to decide among themselves who takes parental leave so that women aren't discriminated against (it can't be verbalised but is certainly considered. Easy to give another reason for not hiring someone) in the hiring process on the basis that they are of child-bearing age and might flit off on maternity leave soon into a new job. I personally know of a number of people in charge of hiring who do make hiring decisions based on this. If either gender could take the leave, this might be eliminated.

I personally think parental leave should be decided between the parents and I'd have no problem saying it's mainly because I think it's a tacit source of discrimination against women of child-bearing age in the hiring process.

Just because there are areas of inequality for men, doesn't mean they no longer exist for women also.

Gaygooner · 24-11-2015 09:52AM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Bear in mind that here in Ireland a 'Marriage Equality' referendum was passed yet fathers still have virtually no rights over their children

'Twas the gays that denied the fathers the rights... Or the church who wrote the constitution...

Tarzana2 · 24-11-2015 09:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah third wave feminism would be behind the uproar if the genders were reversed, and rightly so.

What has third-wave feminism got to do with the current situation in Canada? I'm genuinely asking here. Is third wave feminism behind it?

Unless you are using this recent development to cream yourself over a hypothetical gender-reversal scenario.

There are definitely problems with third wave feminism. But, gawd, some of its opponents really don't help themselves.

Deleted User wrote: »

I completely forgot I posted this. I was clearly having a bad Monday to create this tenuous link between feminism and the current refugee crisis just to have a go at third wave feminism :pac:

Wait, never mind! :pac:

FortySeven · 24-11-2015 09:57AM

MPFGLB wrote: »

You want to complain about third wave feminism and this is the example you use ? Canada like alot of places are over hyping the fear of terrorists among immigrants and are combating this with ill thought through policies....Nothing to do with feminism.

Also any laws that discriminate against men are just that discriminatory ..not the responsibility of feminism

And wile we are at it ...women are still paid less than men for the same work in the majority of jobs, they still do not occupy high level positions in government , industry , media in the same proportions as men even though they are 50% of the population (approx)
Women still do the lions share of housework & child rearign even when holding done full time jobs

Many women still suffer from domestic violence, sexual assault that goes unpunished and are more likely to be killed by a man than the converse happening
In many part so the world women are owned by father husbands, etc and are not allowed to live freely

So while no one is advocating discrimination forgive me if I do not weep for men who feel emasculated by women seeking to redress centuries of inequality.

When women start working as capably and as hard as men instead of comparing each others handbags and checking Facebook all day then maybe us men will allow them to be paid more. High unlikely though. After all, what have women ever come up with that is useful? Check that privilige. :-)

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