convicted paedophile gets to serve sentence at home as he's in a wheelchair

Kristopherus · 19-11-2015 08:52PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Heaven forbid they might "drop" him.

Into a boghole, hopefully. What a sicko:mad::mad::mad:

sonny.knowles · 19-11-2015 09:56PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Heaven forbid they might "drop" him.

Yeah, wouldn't be ideal if they 'dropped' him down a well or a few flights of stairs.

Summer wind · 19-11-2015 10:07PM

What in the name of God have I just read. That disgusting prick gets to serve his sentence in his own home with four guards costing an eye watering amount of money. Should've just shot him.

osarusan · 19-11-2015 10:19PM

I would have thought that for that amount of money they could have built a complex in some prison somewhere to cater for wheelchair users, and use it after this particular sentence has been served.

Has this problem never arisen before?

Diamond Doll · 19-11-2015 10:30PM

osarusan wrote: »

I would have thought that for that amount of money they could have built a complex in some prison somewhere to cater for wheelchair users, and use it after this particular sentence has been served.

Has this problem never arisen before?

Probably some stupid beaurocratic reason like different budgets for current and capital expenditure. So the massive salary expense can be allowed, but the few grand in refurbishment can't.

darkpagandeath · 19-11-2015 10:33PM

Jesus, A few locks and CCTV sorted...

gctest50 · 19-11-2015 11:43PM

Diamond Doll wrote: »

Weird case.

I mean, if he's paraplegic, he's hardly likely to reoffend.

Not that being disabled should mean that he shouldn't be punished, but at the same time, the goal of incarceration should ideally primarily be rehabilitation, for the good of society. In his case, he isn't likely to be able to hurt anyone ever again.

So to me it would seem to make most sense to go for the cheapest possible option ... whether that's at home, or in a hospital, or adapting a prison cell for him. He's always going to be a prisoner in his own body anyways, so his physical location doesn't seem all that important.

Diamond Doll wrote: »

Weird case. I mean, if he's paraplegic, he's hardly likely to reoffend.

what are you on about ? he is in a wheelchair since he was 22-ish

A wheelchair-bound paedophile who groomed and brain-washed his young Galway victim into thinking she was “an awful woman” and he was doing her a favour by sexually abusing her, has been jailed for five years.

http://connachttribune.ie/paraplegic-paedophile-is-jailed-for-abuse-of-galway-girl-in-the-eighties-087/

Sh1tbag OToole · 19-11-2015 11:44PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Presumably the wheelchair will have a electronic tagging.

Just number plate, tax, inshoorance and NCT

Diamond Doll · 19-11-2015 11:52PM

gctest50 wrote: »

what are you on about ? he is in a wheelchair since he was 22-ish

Yeah I got parapalegia and quadriplegia mixed up.

I thought he was totally paralysed, so assumed he hadn't been at the time of the abuse. My mistake!

Mesrine65 · 20-11-2015 12:29AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Shelton Abbey or Loughan House might be more chair appropriate.

I wonder how long a paraplegic nonce would last anywhere in the Irish prison system?

& then the cost to the state with civil suits (after the inevitable happens) from grieving relatives saying his civil right/duty of care was violated :eek:

Mesrine65 · 20-11-2015 12:35AM

marklazarcovic wrote: »

look at the cost of it/QUOTE]the reason he would be serving the sentence at home is the prisons are not able to cope with wheelchair bound people.

I am open to correction here...but wasn't there a wheelchair bound lad form Ballymun (back in the 80's) incarcerated in the Joy for dealing?

They called him...Deals On Wheels

ScumLord · 20-11-2015 12:28PM

marklazarcovic wrote: »

He's a predatory scumbag..being in his chair does not lesson his crime .

No, but his wheelchair makes it very easy for anyone to make his life very, very difficult.

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

It's going to cost 2.2 million!
Quite frankly that is ridiculous.

Is it? Stuff costs money, over a year it costs a lot of money.

Diamond Doll wrote: »

Probably some stupid beaurocratic reason like different budgets for current and capital expenditure. So the massive salary expense can be allowed, but the few grand in refurbishment can't.

Medical equipment is horribly expensive and if the people selling it know the government is picking up the check they double the price. I've sold medical equipment in the past and the gouging going on in that industry is frankly disgusting. First of all the equipment is expensive, then there's standards that go along with the construction meaning it's takes a long time to install and drives installation costs through the roof.

The jails are probably putting off some requests for medical equipment for other inmates, if they start here they may be afraid they need to overhaul the entire jail instead of just one room. With our jails overcrowded how could the jail deal with construction? They couldn't just shut down a section of the jail.

Peist2007 · 20-11-2015 12:32PM

Utterly ridiculous

corner of hells · 20-11-2015 12:41PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

I am open to correction here...but wasn't there a wheelchair bound lad form Ballymun (back in the 80's) incarcerated in the Joy for dealing?

They called him...Deals On Wheels

Quite possibly ,,Mountjoy will take offenders in wheelchairs, I dont think they would take a sex offender .I dunno if Arbour Hill will.

Sleepy · 20-11-2015 12:56PM

One would presume his internet and cable TV connections would be removed during this time? That his groceries will be restricted to basic, prison-style fare, no alcohol etc.? One would also presume that the four guards will be rotating through 6 hour shifts rather than having more than one of them there at a time?

It seems insane that the cost of those guards over the 5 years (€3m or so) wouldn't be able to pay for whatever adaptation would be required to an existing prison cell to hold him.

vicwatson · 20-11-2015 01:10PM

The boom must be back. Put the nonce down.

ScumLord · 20-11-2015 01:29PM

Sleepy wrote: »

It seems insane that the cost of those guards over the 5 years (€3m or so) wouldn't be able to pay for whatever adaptation would be required to an existing prison cell to hold him.

You wouldn't imagine the problems that start to pop up once you're in a wheelchair. People think putting in a wheelchair ramp solves wheelchair problems but it doesn't. The fact is a wheelchair ramp doesn't make a building accessible to a person in a wheelchair, they still need help getting up that ramp. Try pushing yourself up a wheelchair ramp it's damn near impossible unless you've got the arms of a gorilla. Even a doorsill that's an inch high can ad minutes to a wheelchair user's journey.

Wheelchairs are horribly inadequate devices for getting about in. Those are the tip of the iceberg in relation to just moving around. The prison would have to take on some serious responsibility when it comes to his medical care. I really don't think prison officers would have the patient's, time or training to deal with his condition.

If the wrong cushion is put on the wheelchair, he could die from blood clots. The list of problems is endless. Reducing his health care in any form could very easily result in his death and that's another thing the prison doesn't want to deal with. At least if it happens in his own home the prison won't be responsible for inadequate living conditions.

gctest50 · 20-11-2015 01:42PM

ScumLord wrote: »

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If the wrong cushion is put on the wheelchair, he could die from blood clots. ........

I'm sure he would be well able to ask for the correct cushion since he managed this no problem :

A wheelchair-bound paedophile who groomed and brain-washed his young Galway victim into thinking she was “an awful woman” and he was doing her a favour by sexually abusing her

Trent Houseboat · 20-11-2015 01:42PM

ScumLord wrote:

You wouldn't imagine the problems that start to pop up once you're in a wheelchair. People think putting in a wheelchair ramp solves wheelchair problems but it doesn't. The fact is a wheelchair ramp doesn't make a building accessible to a person in a wheelchair, they still need help getting up that ramp. Try pushing yourself up a wheelchair ramp it's damn near impossible unless you've got the arms of a gorilla. Even a doorsill that's an inch high can ad minutes to a wheelchair user's journey.

So you're saying they should put ramps on the inside of his house so he can't get out. Save a fortune on guards.

Kimbot · 20-11-2015 01:43PM

AH here lads, the reason the prisons cant take him are as follows:

1: He would need a cell adapted to suit his needs (Human Rights activists would have a field day with this one TBH)
2: Other areas of the prison (Showers/Dining areas/Access to Gov's office etc) would all require work to be carried out to suit 1 prisoner.
3: He would need around the clock help regardless so the staff costs are still going to be there for this guy, in prison he may need "Medical" more often.
4: Prison Vans will have to be adapted if he is to have future courts visits and/or hospital visits.

Retro fitting buildings and vehicles is not a cheap job.

Birneybau · 20-11-2015 01:48PM

Clamp the mofo.

gctest50 · 20-11-2015 02:13PM

ScumLord wrote: »

......... The fact is a wheelchair ramp doesn't make a building accessible to a person in a wheelchair, they still need help getting up that ramp.
Try pushing yourself up a wheelchair ramp it's damn near impossible unless you've got the arms of a gorilla.
Even a doorsill that's an inch high can ad minutes to a wheelchair user's journey.

video here

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0717/715499-martin-davoren-prison/

- seems to be driving electric wheelchair just fine

ScumLord · 20-11-2015 02:41PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

So you're saying they should put ramps on the inside of his house so he can't get out. Save a fortune on guards.

You could put a piece of 18mm thick mdf on the ground by the door and he'd be stuck. Make the width of the doors in his house the standard width and he's stuck in whatever room he's in.

Mesrine65 · 20-11-2015 03:05PM

Alberto Nervous Weirdo wrote: »

4 guards for a bloke in a wheelchair is bonkers

One clamper could sort him out quick smart

Leyla123 · 20-11-2015 03:48PM

I live in his estate and I am sorry but would you like to have him as a neighbor??? so all of you who think its OK to keep him in a house arrest just put yourself in my shoes, would you let your kids outside unattended knowing there is a pedophile living there !!! He was in a wheelchair when he assaulted the girl so saying he probably will not re offend you must be thick as f..ck to say that!

ScumLord · 20-11-2015 05:22PM

Leyla123 wrote: »

so all of you who think its OK to keep him in a house arrest just put yourself in my shoes,

Nobody's saying it's OK, just accepting it's possibly the only feasible solution at this time. Even if they did upgrade the prison, it's a few months of work, so he's home is probably the only realistic place to put him.

Maybe there's people here that wouldn't mind standing over a disabled person watching them suffer, but I don't think it's right to force a police officer to watch someone suffer through a medical condition.

He's in a wheelchair, he's not a criminal mastermind. Confining him to his home is probably going to be fairly easy to manage, it's not like he'll be jumping the back fence. All I see here is violent revenge fantasies that are easy to have when you're forcing other people to enforce the fantasies.

c_man · 20-11-2015 05:43PM

I think we should invest in a procedure to give him back the use of his legs. He can then be sent to prison. Once his sentence is up, we'll reverse the operation.

The Dogs Bollix · 20-11-2015 05:50PM

He wasn't that paralysed to get out of his wheelchair to commit that awful crime.

Lock the dirty bastard up without his wheelchair. I think he can cope without it.

Leyla123 · 20-11-2015 05:55PM

You have to remember he is kept in a residential area. Ask yourself a question :would you like to have him as your neighbour.... any paedophile in a wheelchair or not should be locked up. Don't have a place for him in a prison put him in a mental institutions, he is sicko at the end of day if he insulted a child.

corner of hells · 20-11-2015 06:00PM

Leyla123 wrote: »

You have to remember he is kept in a residential area. Ask yourself a question :would you like to have him as your neighbour.... any paedophile in a wheelchair or not should be locked up. Don't have a place for him in a prison put him in a mental institutions, he is sicko at the end of day if he insulted a child.

I wonder did you read the accompanying media articles in the Opening Post.

convicted paedophile gets to serve sentence at home as he's in a wheelchair

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