convicted paedophile gets to serve sentence at home as he's in a wheelchair

marklazarcovic

:mad:

what kind of message does this send out ffs .. i dont care he's in a chair,he sexually assaulted a 13 yr old girl and ruined her life .


A 61-year old wheelchair-bound Castlegar man is to serve his jail sentence for child sex abuse in his home.

Last July, Martin Davoren, from Caireal Mór, Castlegar, pleaded guilty at Galway Circuit Criminal Court to twelve sample charges of indecently assaulting a girl at a location in the county between September 1st, 1986 and July 31st, 1988.


look at the cost of it !! build a fckin bungalow in castlerea and stick him in that for a fraction of the cost



http://galwaybayfm.ie/castlegar-man-convicted-of-indecent-assault-to-serve-time-at-home/

http://connachttribune.ie/paraplegic-paedophile-is-jailed-for-abuse-of-galway-girl-in-the-eighties-087/

jmayo

marklazarcovic wrote: »

:mad:

what kind of message does this send out ffs .. i dont care he's in a chair,he sexually assaulted a 13 yr old girl and ruined her life .


A 61-year old wheelchair-bound Castlegar man is to serve his jail sentence for child sex abuse in his home.

Last July, Martin Davoren, from Caireal Mór, Castlegar, pleaded guilty at Galway Circuit Criminal Court to twelve sample charges of indecently assaulting a girl at a location in the county between September 1st, 1986 and July 31st, 1988.




http://galwaybayfm.ie/castlegar-man-convicted-of-indecent-assault-to-serve-time-at-home/

http://connachttribune.ie/paraplegic-paedophile-is-jailed-for-abuse-of-galway-girl-in-the-eighties-087/

Sometimes I think the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Galwayguy35

Wheel him into a lake and be done with him.

Sicko.

Harry Palmr

Presumably the wheelchair will have a electronic tagging.

ScumLord

I would assume the jail simply isn't wheelchair accessible. The alternative would be to have prison officers carrying him up flights of stairs, onto and off the toilet. There probably would be some law that required the state to make the prison wheelchair friendly as well.

So this is probably the only option left open..

sonny.knowles

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Presumably the wheelchair will have a electronic tagging.

Or better still, electric shocking.

Am I reading something wrong.

The 2 links say he was jailed, he went to Castlerea prison, sent home until Tuesdsy while they prepare a suitable cell in Dublin?

Edit - I read the second one first, think the first is more update. It seems extraordinary that he cannot be incarcerated.

Miaireland

ScumLord wrote: »

I would assume the jail simply isn't wheelchair accessible. The alternative would be to have prison officers carrying him up flights of stairs, onto and off the toilet. There probably would be some law that required the state to make the prison wheelchair friendly as well.

So this is probably the only option left open..

Let the prisoners adapt an area of the prison into a wheelchair friendly section. Given his crime it would be likely that he would be serving his sentance in the protection section of the jail(from what I see on tv shows anyway) so would be spending 23 hours a day in his cell anyway. Surely they would be able to convert a ground floor cell and toilet for him.

ScumLord

Deleted User wrote: »

It seems extraordinary that he cannot be incarcerated.

But he is being incarcerated, it's just happening in his home.

marklazarcovic

ScumLord wrote: »

But he is being incarcerated, it's just happening in his home.

where he wont be eating prison food,will sleep in his own bed,hearing familiar sounds,smelling familiar smells,watching whatever he likes,with no lights out..perhaps browse the web ..whilst waiting for his Chinese to be delivered or something ...

disgusting.

ScumLord

marklazarcovic wrote: »

where he wont be eating prison food,will sleep in his own bed,hearing familiar sounds,smelling familiar smells,watching whatever he likes,with no lights out..perhaps browse the web ..whilst waiting for his Chinese to be delivered or something ...

disgusting.

You don't actually know any of that is true, you're just jumping to conclusions.

They could go in and strip the place out for all we know.

ScumLord

ScumLord wrote: »

But he is being incarcerated, it's just happening in his home.

True. It just seems that prison would be appropriate, even the Court has said as much...but the prison service can't keep him.

Diamond Doll

Weird case.

I mean, if he's paraplegic, he's hardly likely to reoffend.

Not that being disabled should mean that he shouldn't be punished, but at the same time, the goal of incarceration should ideally primarily be rehabilitation, for the good of society. In his case, he isn't likely to be able to hurt anyone ever again.

So to me it would seem to make most sense to go for the cheapest possible option ... whether that's at home, or in a hospital, or adapting a prison cell for him. He's always going to be a prisoner in his own body anyways, so his physical location doesn't seem all that important.

sonny.knowles

ScumLord wrote: »

But he is being incarcerated, it's just happening in his home.

Take the wheelchair off him and lock him in a box room for 16 hrs a day and feed him carvery food. That'd be a start.

ScumLord

Miaireland wrote: »

Let the prisoners adapt an area of the prison into a wheelchair friendly section. Given his crime it would be likely that he would be serving his sentance in the protection section of the jail(from what I see on tv shows anyway) so would be spending 23 hours a day in his cell anyway. Surely they would be able to convert a ground floor cell and toilet for him.

Maybe that's possible, the government are skin flints though, I would assume they took the cheapest option. Medical grade equipment is horrendously expensive. They may be opening a can of worms by starting to make the jail wheelchair accessible.

Wabbit Ears

ScumLord wrote: »

You don't actually know any of that is true, you're just jumping to conclusions.

They could go in and strip the place out for all we know.

His secario is WAY more believable than yours

Harry Palmr

Shelton Abbey or Loughan House might be more chair appropriate.

Diamond Doll

Diamond Doll wrote: »

Not that being disabled should mean that he shouldn't be punished, but at the same time, the goal of incarceration should ideally primarily be rehabilitation, for the good of society. In his case, he isn't likely to be able to hurt anyone ever again...

I don't think that's the goal of incarceration.

I'd prioritise punishment and the safety of society.

ScumLord

The other thing to take into account is the fact that his condition is already very difficult to live with. Living in a wheelchair is incredibly difficult. It takes a lot of effort to just avoid being uncomfortable all the time. Any reduction in his level of care is going to lead to all sorts of problems for him. Reduced care could even lead to him dying.

end of the road

marklazarcovic wrote: »

what kind of message does this send out ffs .. i dont care he's in a chair,he sexually assaulted a 13 yr old girl and ruined her life .

it doesn't send out any message. even sending him to jail wouldn't send out any message.

marklazarcovic wrote: »

look at the cost of it/QUOTE]

the cost of what.

marklazarcovic wrote: »

build a fckin bungalow in castlerea and stick him in that for a fraction of the cost

what are you on about? he's serving the sentence in his home. how would building a bungalow in castlerea and sticking him in that be for a fraction of the cost of him serving the sentence in his home? the reason he would be serving the sentence at home is the prisons are not able to cope with wheelchair bound people.

Canterelle

It's a weird one alright. Would probably cost taxpayer more to accommodate him in a prison, why should they just not leave him at his house for his sentence, with tagging to make sure he can go no further than the yard? Leave him responsible for his own care rather than catering to his needs? It's the fact that he could still have his usual social life that jars, as in people coming to see him, ordering takeaway, having a few drinks etc. Hard to know.

marklazarcovic

At least the bungalow would still be of use when he is released..he should b loosing his freedom..whatever he has remaining...

4 guards to watch him at his home..just for him.. He's a predatory scumbag..being in his chair does not lesson his crime .

LDN_Irish

I don't think he is able to have any visitors outside of visiting hours. I think they are aiming to make it exactly like prison but in his flat. From the first article:

"The prison service is deploying four prison officers to guard Davoren’s home every day – at a cost of around 1,600 euro per day before tax."

I don't think they'd bother with that if he is allowed to have people round, bringing him stuff etc. On another note, does anyone know if that means there will be 4 for the daytime and 4 for the night? Or 2 during the day and 2 during the night? Fairly handy number for the guards if is the latter. 400 euro to sit either inside or outside a wheelchair bound man's house for a shift.

Canterelle

LDN_Irish wrote: »

I don't think he is able to have any visitors outside of visiting hours. I think they are aiming to make it exactly like prison but in his flat. From the first article:

"The prison service is deploying four prison officers to guard Davoren’s home every day – at a cost of around 1,600 euro per day before tax."

I don't think they'd bother with that if he is allowed to have people round, bringing him stuff etc. On another note, does anyone know if that means there will be 4 for the daytime and 4 for the night? Or 2 during the day and 2 during the night? Fairly handy number for the guards if is the latter. 400 euro to sit either inside or outside a wheelchair bound man's house for a shift.

Ah ffs that's nearly 600k a year, surely there's a better solution?

Fratton Fred

ScumLord wrote: »

I would assume the jail simply isn't wheelchair accessible. The alternative would be to have prison officers carrying him up flights of stairs

Heaven forbid they might "drop" him.

_Whimsical_

It's going to cost 2.2 million!
Quite frankly that is ridiculous.
In this day and age why can't they electronically tag him and put surveillance equipment in his home to monitor him remotely. That should cost only a fraction,would do the same job considering he is elderly and wheelchair bound so unlikely to be escaping and it would be sufficiently invasive to constitute a punishment.

marklazarcovic

also ,he committed these crimes whilst being in his chair...

FortuneChip

marklazarcovic wrote: »

waiting for his Chinese to be delivered or something ...

disgusting.

I think you're being unfair.
You don't even know where he's ordered it from, could be nice!

Hammer89

Drive him out to the middle of nowhere, preferably a field. Lash a clamp on his wheel(s) and leave him there. And smear Marmite or dogsh*t on said clamp to limit the prospect of somebody trying to remove it.

Hammer89

FortuneChip wrote: »

I think you're being unfair.
You don't even know where he's ordered it from, could be nice!

The cream of some young guy?

nxbyveromdwjpg

4 guards for a bloke in a wheelchair is bonkers

Kristopherus

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Heaven forbid they might "drop" him.

Into a boghole, hopefully. What a sicko:mad::mad::mad:

sonny.knowles

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Heaven forbid they might "drop" him.

Yeah, wouldn't be ideal if they 'dropped' him down a well or a few flights of stairs.

Summer wind

What in the name of God have I just read. That disgusting prick gets to serve his sentence in his own home with four guards costing an eye watering amount of money. Should've just shot him.

osarusan

I would have thought that for that amount of money they could have built a complex in some prison somewhere to cater for wheelchair users, and use it after this particular sentence has been served.

Has this problem never arisen before?

Diamond Doll

osarusan wrote: »

I would have thought that for that amount of money they could have built a complex in some prison somewhere to cater for wheelchair users, and use it after this particular sentence has been served.

Has this problem never arisen before?

Probably some stupid beaurocratic reason like different budgets for current and capital expenditure. So the massive salary expense can be allowed, but the few grand in refurbishment can't.

darkpagandeath

Jesus, A few locks and CCTV sorted...

gctest50

Diamond Doll wrote: »

Weird case.

I mean, if he's paraplegic, he's hardly likely to reoffend.

Not that being disabled should mean that he shouldn't be punished, but at the same time, the goal of incarceration should ideally primarily be rehabilitation, for the good of society. In his case, he isn't likely to be able to hurt anyone ever again.

So to me it would seem to make most sense to go for the cheapest possible option ... whether that's at home, or in a hospital, or adapting a prison cell for him. He's always going to be a prisoner in his own body anyways, so his physical location doesn't seem all that important.

Diamond Doll wrote: »

Weird case. I mean, if he's paraplegic, he's hardly likely to reoffend.

what are you on about ? he is in a wheelchair since he was 22-ish

A wheelchair-bound paedophile who groomed and brain-washed his young Galway victim into thinking she was “an awful woman” and he was doing her a favour by sexually abusing her, has been jailed for five years.

http://connachttribune.ie/paraplegic-paedophile-is-jailed-for-abuse-of-galway-girl-in-the-eighties-087/

Sh1tbag OToole

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Presumably the wheelchair will have a electronic tagging.

Just number plate, tax, inshoorance and NCT

Diamond Doll

gctest50 wrote: »

what are you on about ? he is in a wheelchair since he was 22-ish

Yeah I got parapalegia and quadriplegia mixed up. I thought he was totally paralysed, so assumed he hadn't been at the time of the abuse. My mistake!

Mesrine65

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Shelton Abbey or Loughan House might be more chair appropriate.

I wonder how long a paraplegic nonce would last anywhere in the Irish prison system?

& then the cost to the state with civil suits (after the inevitable happens) from grieving relatives saying his civil right/duty of care was violated :eek:

Mesrine65

marklazarcovic wrote: »

look at the cost of it/QUOTE]the reason he would be serving the sentence at home is the prisons are not able to cope with wheelchair bound people.

I am open to correction here...but wasn't there a wheelchair bound lad form Ballymun (back in the 80's) incarcerated in the Joy for dealing?

They called him...Deals On Wheels

ScumLord

marklazarcovic wrote: »

He's a predatory scumbag..being in his chair does not lesson his crime .

No, but his wheelchair makes it very easy for anyone to make his life very, very difficult.

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

It's going to cost 2.2 million!
Quite frankly that is ridiculous.

Is it? Stuff costs money, over a year it costs a lot of money.

Diamond Doll wrote: »

Probably some stupid beaurocratic reason like different budgets for current and capital expenditure. So the massive salary expense can be allowed, but the few grand in refurbishment can't.

Medical equipment is horribly expensive and if the people selling it know the government is picking up the check they double the price. I've sold medical equipment in the past and the gouging going on in that industry is frankly disgusting. First of all the equipment is expensive, then there's standards that go along with the construction meaning it's takes a long time to install and drives installation costs through the roof.

The jails are probably putting off some requests for medical equipment for other inmates, if they start here they may be afraid they need to overhaul the entire jail instead of just one room. With our jails overcrowded how could the jail deal with construction? They couldn't just shut down a section of the jail.

Peist2007

Utterly ridiculous

corner of hells

Mesrine65 wrote: »

I am open to correction here...but wasn't there a wheelchair bound lad form Ballymun (back in the 80's) incarcerated in the Joy for dealing?

They called him...Deals On Wheels

Quite possibly ,,Mountjoy will take offenders in wheelchairs, I dont think they would take a sex offender .I dunno if Arbour Hill will.

Sleepy

One would presume his internet and cable TV connections would be removed during this time? That his groceries will be restricted to basic, prison-style fare, no alcohol etc.? One would also presume that the four guards will be rotating through 6 hour shifts rather than having more than one of them there at a time?

It seems insane that the cost of those guards over the 5 years (€3m or so) wouldn't be able to pay for whatever adaptation would be required to an existing prison cell to hold him.

vicwatson

The boom must be back. Put the nonce down.

ScumLord

Sleepy wrote: »

It seems insane that the cost of those guards over the 5 years (€3m or so) wouldn't be able to pay for whatever adaptation would be required to an existing prison cell to hold him.

You wouldn't imagine the problems that start to pop up once you're in a wheelchair. People think putting in a wheelchair ramp solves wheelchair problems but it doesn't. The fact is a wheelchair ramp doesn't make a building accessible to a person in a wheelchair, they still need help getting up that ramp. Try pushing yourself up a wheelchair ramp it's damn near impossible unless you've got the arms of a gorilla. Even a doorsill that's an inch high can ad minutes to a wheelchair user's journey.

Wheelchairs are horribly inadequate devices for getting about in. Those are the tip of the iceberg in relation to just moving around. The prison would have to take on some serious responsibility when it comes to his medical care. I really don't think prison officers would have the patient's, time or training to deal with his condition.

If the wrong cushion is put on the wheelchair, he could die from blood clots. The list of problems is endless. Reducing his health care in any form could very easily result in his death and that's another thing the prison doesn't want to deal with. At least if it happens in his own home the prison won't be responsible for inadequate living conditions.

gctest50

ScumLord wrote: »

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If the wrong cushion is put on the wheelchair, he could die from blood clots. ........

I'm sure he would be well able to ask for the correct cushion since he managed this no problem :

A wheelchair-bound paedophile who groomed and brain-washed his young Galway victim into thinking she was “an awful woman” and he was doing her a favour by sexually abusing her

Trent Houseboat

ScumLord wrote:

You wouldn't imagine the problems that start to pop up once you're in a wheelchair. People think putting in a wheelchair ramp solves wheelchair problems but it doesn't. The fact is a wheelchair ramp doesn't make a building accessible to a person in a wheelchair, they still need help getting up that ramp. Try pushing yourself up a wheelchair ramp it's damn near impossible unless you've got the arms of a gorilla. Even a doorsill that's an inch high can ad minutes to a wheelchair user's journey.

So you're saying they should put ramps on the inside of his house so he can't get out. Save a fortune on guards.

Kimbot

AH here lads, the reason the prisons cant take him are as follows:

1: He would need a cell adapted to suit his needs (Human Rights activists would have a field day with this one TBH)
2: Other areas of the prison (Showers/Dining areas/Access to Gov's office etc) would all require work to be carried out to suit 1 prisoner.
3: He would need around the clock help regardless so the staff costs are still going to be there for this guy, in prison he may need "Medical" more often.
4: Prison Vans will have to be adapted if he is to have future courts visits and/or hospital visits.

Retro fitting buildings and vehicles is not a cheap job.