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Stretched earlobes ....horrible
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I think that you've just got to have a bit of cop on. I personally don't have a problem with piercings or whatever but you don't know the person who will interview you so you should err on the side of caution, especially if you've been having trouble.
It's just common place really; I wear jeans to work everyday but I wore a skirt suit to my interview. It's just the done thing whether you like it or not and these are the kind of things you have to do to get a job.
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It all depends upon the type of job you're going for though aine, that's the crucial point that Ianos seems to be missing.
In some jobs, physical appearance is the determining factor.
In some jobs, qualifications is the determining factor.
In some jobs, experience is the determining factor.
In some jobs, personality is the determining factor.
All these things are just some of the criteria that employers base their decisions on, and if a candidate is suitable for a position, an employer who knows what they're doing, will hire the most suitable candidate for the position based upon their criteria, which are not necessarily the criteria that Ianos uses.
I've worked in management positions in IT MNC's, and currently I work in management in social care (while also being self-employed and working in the IT industry and being involved in education). I've conducted hundreds of interviews personally, and I've been involved in many more. I've helped people to gain employment in a vast array of career fields, from accountancy to... well, ok, I've never had to mentor anyone looking for a career in zoology, but you get the idea
I've also mentored entrepreneurs who have set up their own businesses, in a number of different areas and occupations.
Their physical appearance has always been the least of my concerns, but unfortunately, because of Ianos' ideas, these people think their appearance is the most critical factor in employers hiring decisions. They completely overlook the fact that employers are more interested in their skills, their competency, and them as a person, than they are in whether or not the person is pleasing to the eye.
Many times, interview candidates have made judgements about me based upon my physical appearance, and I can see it written all over their faces. They have no idea of my opinion on piercings or tattoos, but because of Ianos' opinion (who does not speak for me), they've nearly talked themselves out of a job, and I've had to try and get them back on track, focus on what they can bring to the role, because I want to hire them. I wouldn't have been involved in inviting them for interview otherwise, as it would be a waste of my time.
Tunnels, tattoos and piercings do not make someone unemployable, and they do not in any way hinder a person's prospects in life. It's very difficult to impart that to people, but I think this Commencement speech by Steve Jobs at Stanford University sums it up nicely -
And if you don't like that, there's always Ashton Kutcher's speech at the Teen Choice Awards where he addresses a group of young people -
In short - employers are people too, and just because Ianos or a handful of people here would not employ a person based upon their physical appearance, the fact is that there are many employers for whom a person's physical appearance is not a critical factor in their hiring decisions, if in fact it is indeed a factor at all.0 -
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One eyed Jack wrote: »It all depends upon the type of job you're going for though aine, that's the crucial point that Ianos seems to be missing.
In some jobs, physical appearance is the determining factor.
In some jobs, qualifications is the determining factor.
In some jobs, experience is the determining factor.
In some jobs, personality is the determining factor.
All these things are just some of the criteria that employers base their decisions on, and if a candidate is suitable for a position, an employer who knows what they're doing, will hire the most suitable candidate for the position based upon their criteria, which are not necessarily the criteria that Ianos uses.
I've worked in management positions in IT MNC's, and currently I work in management in social care (while also being self-employed and working in the IT industry and being involved in education). I've conducted hundreds of interviews personally, and I've been involved in many more. I've helped people to gain employment in a vast array of career fields, from accountancy to... well, ok, I've never had to mentor anyone looking for a career in zoology, but you get the idea
I've also mentored entrepreneurs who have set up their own businesses, in a number of different areas and occupations.
Their physical appearance has always been the least of my concerns, but unfortunately, because of Ianos' ideas, these people think their appearance is the most critical factor in employers hiring decisions. They completely overlook the fact that employers are more interested in their skills, their competency, and them as a person, than they are in whether or not the person is pleasing to the eye.
Many times, interview candidates have made judgements about me based upon my physical appearance, and I can see it written all over their faces. They have no idea of my opinion on piercings or tattoos, but because of Ianos' opinion (who does not speak for me), they've nearly talked themselves out of a job, and I've had to try and get them back on track, focus on what they can bring to the role, because I want to hire them. I wouldn't have been involved in inviting them for interview otherwise, as it would be a waste of my time.
Tunnels, tattoos and piercings do not make someone unemployable, and they do not in any way hinder a person's prospects in life. It's very difficult to impart that to people, but I think this Commencement speech by Steve Jobs at Stanford University sums it up nicely -
And if you don't like that, there's always Ashton Kutcher's speech at the Teen Choice Awards where he addresses a group of young people -
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You really are coming across as a bit of a asshole to be fair. Do you leave the house much?
namecalling now....thanks
Magico Gonzalez wrote: »Long and short of it, will having stretched earlobes restrict you from certain career options? Possibly. More corporate careers, yes. "Client facing" IT careers, i.e on site consultancy, yes, I can't speak for medicine and law but I probably wouldnt hire a lawyer or see a consultant who had holes in their ears. You mightn't like that, but it's true.
this is exactly what i have been saying but some people cant seem to grasp it.
if you get body modifications on your face you may be risking your future career prospects.
leaving your face intact will not harm your prospects
modifying your face probably will harm your prospects
so why would you take the risk ?0 -
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namecalling now....thanks
this is exactly what i have been saying but some people cant seem to grasp it.
if you get body modifications on your face you may be risking your future career prospects.
leaving your face intact will not harm your prospects
modifying your face probably will harm your prospects
so why would you take the risk ?
I assume people who are getting their earlobes stretched are not looking to enter a corporate "client site" environment. Plenty of options open to them, I dont see it as a big deal once you take the facts into consideration.
Piercings are a different thing, once you can take them in and out it wont affect your options too much.0 -
Magico Gonzalez wrote: »You are lying if you think it would be acceptable for an IT consultant to go on site to a bank or more traditional corporate environment with stretched lobes. I can tell you with more than 20 years exp in that environment I have never saw it. I have been presented with all manner of requirements for physical appearance for those institutions including black shoes only, clean shaved, short hair, suit and tie etc.
Well it's a good thing for me I never said that then. I've never met anyone applying for a career in the financial sector who had tunnels, I've met many who have had tattoos and piercings though, both men and women.
I wouldn't want anyone to be given the impression that I meet people with tunnels and tattoos all the time either. Tattoos are common enough though, even giving blood last night I noticed the sleeve tattoo on the nurse's arm and asked him about it. This guy was at least in his 50's. It didn't impede him from conducting himself in a professional manner. My barber who cuts my hair is inked up to, well, her neck, and it doesn't impede her from giving me exactly the haircut I want. Mate of mine owns an outdoor sports shop, looks like he was dragged through a ditch backwards, has the "rings" (tunnels, large ones!), a broken front tooth, surrounded by a beard and dreads. You couldn't meet a nicer guy, I've known him 15 years, and when I met him he'd green and pink spiky hair!Is it acceptable in the newer wave of software houses, yes, absolutely. Google, airbnb etc, I imagine that you'd still get in the door, but that is not on site work. I have not worked in a single Financial Services company for example where it would fly.
Again, it's a personal choice. Maybe if you want to have hoops for earlobes you're more comfortable working behind the scenes or in a more modern employment environment, with less travel and on site work.
I'm not saying its right, but that's the world as is right now.
Exactly - it's all about context, and what the person themselves wants to do with their lives, they'll work for a lot longer, and be more productive, in a career that they're happy in, than a career where they're unhappy, and many employers are now beginning to recognise this.
I imagine you never went on-site with a face on you that says you hate your job?0 -
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Mozzeltoff wrote: »Because it's their body and they can do what they want? You're way too overly concerned about what other people are doing. Fair enough it's a discussion and you've made your opinion loud and clear. But nearly a week on and you're still bitching about how people choose to live their lives. If someone gets a job with body mods, more power to them!! As long as they're earning something and not sitting around doing nothing on the dole, isn't that the main thing? Not everyone wants to be an exec. Not everyone wants to work in a bank or in finance. Seriously, if a person has a job, that should be the end of it. What they do or don't do is none of your business.
Why care so much?
its because i care so much that i am trying to educate those who are, as yet, undecided about whether or not to get tunnels.
some posters here had not even heard of tunnels before this thread.
so i see myself as a educator.
why do you care so much that i care so much 0 -
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its because i care so much that i am trying to educate those who are, as yet, undecided about whether or not to get tunnels.
some posters here had not even heard of tunnels before this thread.
so i see myself as a educator.
why do you care so much that i care so much
But you're not really an educator, you're just preaching your opinion. Like everyone else does on this website. You're not changing minds or changing lives. You're some arrogant, person, sitting at a computer, ranting at people who disagree with you and bemoaning the horrors of someone getting a body modification and getting other people to agree with you.
It's your opinion, it's great you have it but please, nobody is going to have a change of heart because some guy on the internet told them not to do it.
Why do I care so much?
Because I think you have this inflated sense of entitlement to tell people what they can and can't do even though it has no direct effect on your life whatsoever and I think it's about time I gave you this advice: Cop on and just let it be.0 -
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i disagree, i do see myself as an educator and if i can persuade just 1 person to avoid this misguided course then my time on boards.ie today has been very worthwhile.
i have not told anybody to do or not to do anything.
i have asked people to consider the long term consequenses of their actions.
i can't persuade somebody not to be a bell-end, i'm not that persuasive.
i can only advise...and educate.
Its a message to the kids out there who may be thinking about their future lives.
if you want to look mad
get a mohican----hair grows back
walk around naked....and get dressed later
get a henna tattoo on your forehead....they are not permanent.
and if you aspire to living in a nice house, drive a cool car, travel frequently for work or leisure, get a good job that requires a proper third level education.
do not mess with your face
do not get your ears stretched
...so i see myself as a educator. 0 -
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