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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #5282
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    At least two suspects have reportedly been killed, including a woman who blew herself up with a suicide belt. Several explosions and gunfire were heard.
    Three people have also been arrested, according to French media reports.
    The focus of the operation is reported to be Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the alleged mastermind of the Islamic State-claimed attacks that killed 129 people.
    Follow the latest live events
    Roads have been blocked off around Rue de la Republique in Saint Denis, in the same district as the Stade de France, where suicide attackers detonated bombs on Friday.
    Truckloads of soldiers joined armed police at the scene.
    "I've been hearing gunshots continuously, like fireworks... There have been some breaks but .....to me it sounds like continuous gunshots," one resident, Benson Hoi, told the BBC.


    Unconfirmed

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34853657


  • #5283
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Three people arrested one woman died. Also two more people arrested close bye.


  • #5284
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    We thought you would want to know about recent statements in Parliament about the events in Paris.

    On 16 November, the Home Secretary, Theresa May, made a statement on the Paris terrorist attacks. You can find out more and watch the statement here:

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2015/november/statement-on-the-paris-terrorist-attacks-16-november-2015/

    Today (17 November), the Prime Minister made a statement on the G20 and the Paris attacks which you can watch here:

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2015/november/statement-on-g20-and-the-paris-attacks-17-november-2015/

    One tough lady Theresa May.


  • #5285
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Typical behind the curve thinking

    Most people in Syria are either in ISIS already or are fighting against them or have fled..the vast majority in the latter 2 categories ...people were not waiting for Russian or french bombers to make up their minds

    I don't advocate bombing as it is ineffective ....there needs to be troops on the ground to defeat ISIS. and there needs to be a cease fire with the other protagonists to broker a peace....

    The troops can be Syrian, Iraqi, Egyptians, Tunisian, Russians, French, British, Kuwait , etc .... there is no other way to bring and end to IS...

    Who... who are you even talking to here? What a bizarre post... I don't think I have made a single post regarding troops or bombs or anything like that.

    You must have been on the sherry. Admit it.


  • #5286
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Seems Sky News and CNN can't even comprehend a possibility that the French Intelligence services haven't been releasing all information to them. "But...but..they said that terrorist was in Syria!!"

    Surely the media are far more important than national security?


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  • #5287
    Wx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭Wx


    Yosef.coen wrote: »
    Interesting thread, however there appears a willingness on some to wilfully not understand the nature of Jihad. Such ideology, evil and hate has no place in the civilised world. I'm sure we can all agree on that and stop useless obfuscating.

    Surely such ideology etc has no place in the world and anyway,
    "Civilised " is open to interpretation.


  • #5288
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Belgian newspaper reporting imam Tarik Ibn Ali is suposed to be the recruiter of the jihadis responsible for the mess in Paris.
    Lovely chap that one, who in the quite recent past held his money raising speeches in mosques all over The Netherlands.
    Involved in Sharia4belgium and Sharia4Holland.

    Mind you, these ***** are invited by those mosques.


  • #5289
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    inforfun wrote: »
    Belgian newspaper reporting imam Tarik Ibn Ali is suposed to be the recruiter of the jihadis responsible for the mess in Paris.
    Lovely chap that one, who in the quite recent past held his money raising speeches in mosques all over The Netherlands.
    Involved in Sharia4belgium and Sharia4Holland.

    Mind you, these ***** are invited by those mosques.

    Should we leave it to the 'good' Muslims to police the mosques?
    Personally I don't think so, I doubt that they do anyway. From what we are learning, anyone of them that goes against the flow will be shunned and could put themselves in danger.
    Guess that leaves it up to the hosting countries then. Close them down? I think it should be seriously considered in the interests of national security. But that is just my own personal opinion obviously and could prove difficult to implement.


  • #5290
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    kleefarr wrote: »
    Should we leave it to the 'good' Muslims to police the mosques?
    Personally I don't think so, I doubt that they do anyway. From what we are learning, anyone of them that goes against the flow will be shunned and could put themselves in danger.
    Guess that leaves it up to the hosting countries then. Close them down? I think it should be seriously considered in the interests of national security. But that is just my own personal opinion obviously and could prove difficult to implement.

    It is pretty clear that the "good" muslim doesnt police, for whatever reason. Some reasons i can think of are understandable i suppose.

    The thing is that the people we pay for that policing, aren't doing a great job.
    It it wasnt for a cetain Dutch website (dont worry, they attack Wilders at every oppurtunity as well) making enough of a stink when certain mosques are announcing their guest imams/speakers, some very, very questionable/dodgy imams would have been granted visa.
    But only after being waken up by a website, the people who should be doing the watching out, came in to action.


  • #5291
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭screamer


    Being reported that this latest attack was aimed at the business district in Paris. Thank God they stopped that happening.


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  • #5292
    Wx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭Wx


    kleefarr wrote: »
    Should we leave it to the 'good' Muslims to police the mosques?
    Personally I don't think so, I doubt that they do anyway. From what we are learning, anyone of them that goes against the flow will be shunned and could put themselves in danger.
    Guess that leaves it up to the hosting countries then. Close them down? I think it should be seriously considered in the interests of national security. But that is just my own personal opinion obviously and could prove difficult to implement.

    I wonder how the Yanks will handle the extreme preachers given their constitutional right to free speech?


  • #5293
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,804 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    screamer wrote: »
    Being reported that this latest attack was aimed at the business district in Paris. Thank God they stopped that happening.

    That's the problem, if people didn't believe in him then they wouldn't be trying to kill people.


  • #5294
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    inforfun wrote: »
    Belgian newspaper reporting imam Tarik Ibn Ali is suposed to be the recruiter of the jihadis responsible for the mess in Paris.
    Lovely chap that one, who in the quite recent past held his money raising speeches in mosques all over The Netherlands.
    Involved in Sharia4belgium and Sharia4Holland.

    Mind you, these ***** are invited by those mosques.

    We have a very active ISIS recruiter working away here. We're as bad as the Belgians for burrying our head in the sand. It seems that we can't deport him because he has an anchor baby. How any moron judge imagines that a kid will suffer if this particular daddy is denied him baffles me.

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/paris-terror-attacks/paris-terror-attacks-leading-islamic-state-terror-suspect-still-in-ireland-thanks-to-irishborn-son-34206995.html


  • #5295
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭screamer


    murpho999 wrote: »
    That's the problem, if people didn't believe in him then they wouldn't be trying to kill people.
    No if we all believed in THEIR God then they wouldn't be trying to kill people.


  • #5296
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    nokia69 wrote: »
    I NEVER invented anything, stop and think, the person who rented the car DID have a drivers licence, and to pay for it a credit card

    Yes, a real licence and credit card. Nothing to do with refugees.
    nokia69 wrote: »
    at least one terrorist had a fake Syrian passport because he needed to travel across Europe,

    Either he was able stroll in without any reasonable checks due to being Syrian refugee like you say, and this must be stopped.

    OR he needed a fake passport to get in, in which case the refugee crisis wouldn't make any difference since fake passports have been used by terrorists, mossad, intelligence agents, etc since the dawn of time.

    You can't have it both ways because that just doesn't make sense, it's either one or the other so which is it that you're suggesting?
    nokia69 wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22344054

    have a look at this terrorist attack, only stopped because of a lack of insurance

    Yes and the fact that one of them was already being surveilled.


  • #5297
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    conorhal wrote: »
    We have a very active ISIS recruiter working away here. We're as bad as the Belgians for burrying our head in the sand. It seems that we can't deport him because he has an anchor baby. How any moron judge imagines that a kid will suffer if this particular daddy is denied him baffles me.

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/paris-terror-attacks/paris-terror-attacks-leading-islamic-state-terror-suspect-still-in-ireland-thanks-to-irishborn-son-34206995.html

    If he is supplying false documents as the article states he is why hasn't he been arrested?

    If the evidence is there - arrest him. Charge him. Try him.

    If other jurisdictions have evidence why are they not seeking to extradite him?

    France wants to extradite Bailey ffs.


  • #5298
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    screamer wrote: »
    No if we all believed in THEIR God then they wouldn't be trying to kill people.

    Tell that to the thousands of Muslims they have killed.


  • #5299
    Kerrydude1981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    Watching France 24,they are reporting there has been more explosions in the last few minutes,maybe this stand off this morning is close to an end


  • #5300
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    If he is supplying false documents as the article states he is why hasn't he been arrested?

    If the evidence is there - arrest him. Charge him. Try him.

    If other jurisdictions have evidence why are they not seeking to extradite him?

    France wants to extradite Bailey ffs.

    All perfectly good questions, go ask Francis Fitzgerald though as I don't have the answers.


  • #5301
    Kerrydude1981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    Now reporting that the police raid is over


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  • #5302
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    conorhal wrote: »
    We have a very active ISIS recruiter working away here. We're as bad as the Belgians for burrying our head in the sand. It seems that we can't deport him because he has an anchor baby. How any moron judge imagines that a kid will suffer if this particular daddy is denied him baffles me.

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/paris-terror-attacks/paris-terror-attacks-leading-islamic-state-terror-suspect-still-in-ireland-thanks-to-irishborn-son-34206995.html

    Mwah.

    Everybody can learn a lot from the Belgians as it comes to **** things up, including an entire country.

    One of the biggest arse holes culprits... a certain Guy Verhofstadt.
    Yep, that one. Not able to keep a government alive several times in a ****ty little country and now one of the most powerful people in the EU.


  • #5303
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    screamer wrote: »
    No if we all believed in THEIR God then they wouldn't be trying to kill people.

    They kill plenty of Muslims who do believe in THEIR God, but just happen to be a different sect so no, we wouldn't be safe if we believed in their God.


  • #5304
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭screamer


    Kerrydude1981 wrote: »
    Now reporting that the police raid is over
    doesn't look over on the tv the police are going into a big church now


  • #5305
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭screamer


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    They kill plenty of Muslims who do believe in THEIR God, but just happen to be a different sect so no, we wouldn't be safe if we believed in their God.

    That's true. Only one way to deal with them fire with fire.


  • #5306
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Tell that to the thousands of Muslims they have killed.

    But isn't that one of the problems, they aren't the right sort of Muslims?
    ie: The murdering, raping, wanting to blow themselves kind?


  • #5307
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    screamer wrote: »
    That's true. Only one way to deal with them fire with fire.

    Can't get rid of them though. Very hard to get rid of everybody who is intent on doing you harm. The IRA were a thorn in the side of the Brits for years and they couldn't get rid of them.

    And to be honest, the IRA weren't as ruthless as these ISIS guys and gals.


  • #5308
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭take everything


    Facekicking 2 The Future wrote: »
    It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.

    It's like a bad Monty Python sketch:

    "We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it."

    "No you didn't."

    "Wait, what? Yes we did..."

    "No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons."

    "WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers."

    "No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so."

    "Huh!? Who are you to tell us we're not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being."

    "Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that's why you did this. We're sorry."

    "What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians - disenfranchisement doesn't even enter into it!"

    "Listen, it's our fault. We don't blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out."

    "Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we're not going to let you take it away from us."

    "No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame."

    "OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?"

    Brilliant.


  • #5309
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    screamer wrote: »
    That's true. Only one way to deal with them fire with fire.

    I would have thought a fire extinguisher would be more effective…


  • #5310
    Kerrydude1981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    screamer wrote: »
    doesn't look over on the tv the police are going into a big church now

    Government spokesman on France 24 just now confirmed its over and the area is being secured,


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  • #5311
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I would have thought a fire extinguisher would be more effective…

    great contribution to the discussion there


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