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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #5042
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,431 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    wes wrote: »
    Last I checked the passport was a fake (i can't be the only one who finds it hard to believe someone would bring there passport on a suicide mission)

    I think they are more into documentation and identity numbers etc on the continent than we are. Maybe it was "fake/cover id" to try and evade a cursory check or something? We Irish are superior and lots of us consider ideas like national identity numbers, identity cards, postcodes/'eircodes' etc as the mark of the beast.


  • #5043
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Muslims believe the Quran as revealed to Muhammad is the actual literal word of Allah. And as Allah is perfect it cannot be changed or amended. For Muslims the Quran is prefection.

    Doesn't help that the centre of Islam Saudi Arabia is a large country to back up its Sunni community. The Vatican houses a minor Christian population and can hardly dictate to other Christian countries whereas in the Kingdom of Arabia they can direct resources and energies against their enemies in the secular Arab states.


  • #5044
    dissed doc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    Sergio Georgini wrote: »
    The reason everyone hates Assad is because he's an ally of Russia and Iran and an enemy of our good friends Saudi Arabia.

    Much easier to replace him with some shanty government that can be easily controlled. Especially since Iraq is now also an ally of Iran, and it wouldn't look too good having to go in and overthrow the 'democratic' shanty government that you've just installed.

    The new policy is different. Step 1 being remove the current dictator is the same but Step 2 is no longer "replace with shanty government". These days, they just skip Step 2 entirely and leave everything go to ****. The middle east has gone to **** since the Islamic revolutions that started there over 40 years ago. It has proved basically impossible since the advent of the internet to install a new western friendly dictator. That is actually a bad thing for the west.


  • #5045
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Don't worry you have nothing to worry about, that website contains nothing only facts which you seem to find unsettling to your liberal world view. Your laptop on the other hand should have no problems.

    https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/thereligionofpeace.com

    Of Course it is according to your not liberal world view.


  • #5046
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Saipanne wrote: »
    It's hard to change my mind about Islam, ...........

    No, it's impossible, as we trawled through already. Anything that contradicts your view will be discounted, by methods and thinking mentioned earlier.


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  • #5047
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Gaygooner wrote: »
    We did like the Pope and turned a blind eye to Nazi atrocities - let's not make the same mistake again

    The pope did more in WW2 than Ireland did. The Pope's summer residence at Castel Gandolfo was hiding 3000 Jews.
    Rabbi Dalin did a book in it and his research says the church saved anything upto 845,000 Jews.
    Not to mention Hitler had to be convinced that kidnapping the Pope was a very bad idea.

    Ireland played it safe in WW2, we were a young nation back them, we have to stand firmly with our French friends.


  • #5048
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    ihatemyfish wrote: »
    You seem to be an expert in what Daesh do and do not want so perhaps you can answer the posters straightforward question without a cringe worthy response trying to be funny.

    Gosh, I appear to have been upgraded from appeaser/supporter/justifier to 'one who knows has the inside track'.

    That's quite a serious allegation you are hinting at there or are you trying to be funny?


  • #5049
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, it's impossible, as we trawled through already. Anything that contradicts your view will be discounted, by methods and thinking mentioned earlier.

    No, its easy. All they have to do is stop being like Mohammed. Then I stop.


  • #5050
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Saipanne wrote: »
    No, its easy. All they have to do is stop being like Mohammed. Then I stop.

    "they" being all 1. something billion of them, presumably.

    As said before, you won't stop. Doesn't matter what they do say or don't do or say. You will discount it and believe as you do now. Mass suicide won't change your mind. Sad, but there we are.


  • #5051
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Nodin wrote: »
    "they" being all 1. something billion of them, presumably.

    As said before, you won't stop. Doesn't matter what they do say or don't do or say. You will discount it and believe as you do now. Mass suicide won't change your mind. Sad, but there we are.

    I see a few Muslims were "Doing the Mohammed" again in Germany tonight. I call on people of all religions to stop killing. Please.

    :(


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  • #5052
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    The US are sending more marines to protect the American embassy in Paris, after a request from the state department.


  • #5053
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    RobertKK wrote: »
    The US are sending more marines to protect the American embassy in Paris, after a request from the state department.

    They do that for all their embassies. All like bunkers.


  • #5054
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    MadsL wrote: »
    Perhaps you should google "irjaf" and not get your contexts from hate sites.
    International Research Journal of Applied Finance?????

    Do you have a link to a source that explains all the passages that Stincker quotes and puts them in a context that neutralises the hate in them?


  • #5055
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Seems there were three separate attacks planned for Hannover this evening, great work by the people who stopped another massacre.


  • #5056
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭take everything


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    No, apologies! I wasnt insulting you. I was using your post and the info contained in it to insult those who have shouted down people on this thread (Bannasaide immediately springs to mind) who didnt have a National Front black and white attitude to the problem.

    I personally found it amazing that so many were willing to discount the effects of Middle Eastern oil grabbing by the West in the creation of this issue. The fact that the two brothers owned a bar - a bar that sells alcohol - would tell me that they are not quite on the same page as the ISIS "idolators at a party of perversity" statement on Saturday.

    This issue is about far more than religion and there is blood on the hands of both sides. Foreign policy in the middle east needs to be overhauled. Maybe then they wont be producing such angry youth and we wont be seeing immigrants picking up on and acting on that anger "in the name of Islam" in Western capitals.

    Apologies again

    Peist you'll never last in AH with that niceness.
    :D


  • #5057
    130Kph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 625 ✭✭✭130Kph


    Stinicker wrote: »
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

    I can’t decide if thereligionofpeace.com & Jihadwatch.com are more like (the anti-Muslim equivalent of) Völkischer Beobachter or Der Stürmer.


  • #5058
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Ireland played it safe in WW2, we were a young nation back them, we have to stand firmly with our French friends.

    I do agree, Ireland should do all it can to help the French... But there simply isn't much we can do.

    [*]Airstrikes? We don't have any aircraft capable of doing such things, unless we intend on flying our 1950s era prop-driven aircraft low and throwing a handful of grenades out the window.

    [*]Intelligence? If the rest of the military is anything to go by, it's grossly underfunded. This point has been undercut by people's belief that IS fighters may hide out here since G2 does not have the resources available to watch everyone.

    [*]Bomb disposal? Not exactly a great area of expertise when the French have their own disposal experts... I doubt IS are going to let us defuse the bombs strapped to their chests either.

    [*]Combat troops? No prior experience in combined arms operations... Or combat at all, really. We're also hamstrung by the whole self-imposed "triple-lock" system in place - you can bet your ass SF and the Independents would vote no, and probably a good chunk of FG/FF/Labour as well.

    [*]Military trainers? This is about the only thing we probably could do, but that would mean breaching our "neutrality" and training the Peshmerga or the Iraqi Army. The Peshmerga have shown no willingness to move outside contested Kurdish areas, and the Iraqi Army is awash with corruption and ineffectual leadership.

    [*]Supplying weapons? We don't even keep enough ammunition around for our own military to fight a real war, we definitely ain't giving it away.

    [*]Supplying funding? With our Defence Budget stripped as thin as it is, there's not a whole lot we can do, unless we plan on firing a couple hundred people to pay for it.


    Overall, this should be a wake up call for Ireland to increase its defence spending in line with threats so we're not left with our dicks in our hands again.


  • #5059
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Woman on Channel 4 now Hirsi Ali speaking quite intelligently about reforming Islam
    Channel 4 presenter saying its a insult to Muslims

    Even the Catholic church reformed several times ....

    Why can't Islam and Isalm leader look at changing and taking some of he violence out of the doctrine

    Why anyone would want to build their life on the word of one man from hundreds of years ago is beyond me....madness

    Same with all religions

    Hirsi Ali made Submission together with Theo van Gogh.
    Result: Van Gogh slaughtered in the streets of Amsterdam by Mohamed Bouyeri and Hirsi Ali under 24/7 protection of which she was fed up and left for the US.

    Most common comment from the muslim world at the time in Holland: It is not good of course but Van Gogh did insult the prophet (nsfh)
    But... always that but....


  • #5060
    XR3i
    Site Banned Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭XR3i


    2 worrying develpoments ar german schools today

    http://www.thelocal.de/20151117/police-defuse-hostage-taking-at-school

    http://www.thelocal.de/20151117/young-men-storm-school-claiming-to-be-from-isis


  • #5061
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,999 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Seems there were three separate attacks planned for Hannover this evening, great work by the people who stopped another massacre.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11999927/Paris-France-terror-attacks-isil-Belgium-Molenbeek-suspects-Syria-Raqqa-bombing-live.html

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #5062
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    RobertKK wrote: »
    The pope did more in WW2 than Ireland did. The Pope's summer residence at Castel Gandolfo was hiding 3000 Jews.
    Rabbi Dalin did a book in it and his research says the church saved anything upto 845,000 Jews.
    Not to mention Hitler had to be convinced that kidnapping the Pope was a very bad idea.

    Ireland played it safe in WW2, we were a young nation back them, we have to stand firmly with our French friends.

    There's a difference between standing by our ally and getting dragged into a war we did not start and don't want to be involved in. We must honour the dead by not repeating the mistakes of the past nor causing yet more harm to the people of Syria and Iraq.


  • #5063
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    There's a difference between standing by our ally and getting dragged into a war we did not start and don't want to be involved in. We must honour the dead by not repeating the mistakes of the past nor causing yet more harm to the people of Syria and Iraq.

    France already invoked the European CDSP I believe. We are obligated to help them however we can... Which is going to be a pitiful nothing.


  • #5064
    Copa Mundial
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 225 ✭✭Copa Mundial


    Considering what happened in Paris and now Hannover, coupled with Cameron vowing to 'cut off the head of the snake' with air strikes on Syria, the whole situation might not be far off reaching a boiling point.


  • #5065
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    There's a difference between standing by our ally and getting dragged into a war we did not start and don't want to be involved in. We must honour the dead by not repeating the mistakes of the past nor causing yet more harm to the people of Syria and Iraq.

    Should we stand back and let another holocaust happen?

    The world said never again after finding the concentration camps.


  • #5066
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Should we stand back and let another holocaust happen?

    Brian is an Assadist, he'll argue that we should back Assad and eradicate the FSA/Jaysh al-Islam so that Assad can attack Daesh.


  • #5067
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    quiet_speaker wrote: »
    israel is even closer to the mid east yet they built a wall , suicide bombings are well down since

    lets not believe their are not options here or that japans situation is all to do with geographical location

    its about choices , japan hardly lets in any white europeans or americans either

    So we build a wall? It will create jobs at least.
    quiet_speaker wrote: »
    its a model for us all , these guilty liberals would prefer see european traditions and culture go the way of the dodo than risk being called racist by a PC peer

    What are the liberals guilty of exactly? Compassion? Blaming compassion is just idiotic. If you are not against immigration, or Muslims for that matter, you are a bleeding heart liberal softy who wants to watch the world burn... or "oh here comes the PC brigade" rabble rabble. That's not what it is at all. In general, it's somebody who just shows some compassion, and like everything, there's tossers who take it to the extreme. "Let all asylum seekers in no matter what, bla bla bla".
    Saipanne wrote: »
    It's hard to change my mind about Islam, when everything I predict comes true. I hope to be wrong, in the future. I really hope I'm wrong.

    If you are educating yourself from those ridiculous videos that are posted in this thread, then I can see where you are going wrong.

    The ignorance in this thread is disgusting. From a crusty liberal who would rather see absolute anarchy than be called a racist... :rolleyes:


  • #5068
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    JustTheOne wrote: »
    Should we stand back and let another holocaust happen?

    The world said never again after finding the concentration camps.

    WTF are you talking about? I don't think you have any idea...


  • #5069
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Copa Mundial wrote: »
    Considering what happened in Paris and now Hannover, coupled with Cameron vowing to 'cut off the head of the snake' with air strikes on Syria, the whole situation might not be far off reaching a boiling point.

    It's quite unlikely. Even if Britain and France both put as many troops as possible into long-term combat operations, they could likely only muster 30-40,000 each (deploying troops in 6 month intervals). 80,000 troops would be enough to knock IS' conventional war-fighting capacity out but it's highly unlikely they'll be able to control the areas afterwards (Mosul boats 650,000+ people, Ramadi boasts 400,000, and Raqqa boasts 250,000), especially given the fact 45,000 British troops couldn't really contain Basra (450,000 people) in the Iraq War.


  • #5070
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Id say there will be another large attack on a major EU city soon. Imagine how much bigger the effect you'll have with two large attacks within a week of each other , while Paris is still fresh in peoples minds rather than waiting a few months.


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  • #5071
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    Carlee Noisy Screenplay wrote: »
    WTF are you talking about? I don't think you have any idea...

    Explain?


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