Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Foxtrol

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

What are you on about?

Have another go.

Great response!

You’re placing the blame for the attacks in Paris on the invasion of Iraq and I’m pointing out the stupidity of it when there were plenty of terrorist attacks before that invasion.

I’m sure you’ll point to previous Middle East foreign policy actions by US/UK/France while completely ignoring the common religious beliefs of the attackers.

Patser

Today FM reporting Germany Holland match abandoned due to security alert and stadium being evacuated

Edit: Sky Sports live website reporting it too

http://www.skysports.com/football/live-blog

Bannasidhe

quiet_speaker wrote: »

closing the borders makes perfect sense as the only real weapon IS have is to infiltrate , they are incredibly weak millitarily in a conventional sense , its not like they can get hold of cruise misies or jet fighters and even they did , those are easily countered , whats near impossible to counter is random attacks from members of the population

it would be funny were it not so serious to give any creedance to the liberals who this past few days have been droning on about not giving in to IS by curtailing immigration

first of all , the assumption that liberals know what IS want , secondly the fact that liberals have been so wrong so far , why on earth would be start paying any heed to their views now

Hello new poster.

On behalf of the Liberal Pinko Marxist Right-On Posse P(L)C welcome to boards.

We hope you enjoy your experience of regurgitating crypto-fascist nonsense and don't take our attempts to censor you by asking you to clarify what you mean or disputing everything you say personally because of course we love and tolerate you as we have been brainwashed to do so.

wes

Foxtrol wrote: »

Great response!

You’re placing the blame for the attacks in Paris on the invasion of Iraq and I’m pointing out the stupidity of it when there were plenty of terrorist attacks before that invasion.

I’m sure you’ll point to previous Middle East foreign policy actions by US/UK/France while completely ignoring the common religious beliefs of the attackers.

Your ignoring the stated American policy of drawing extremist to Iraq "fight the over there, so we don't have to fight them over here", that led to AQ in Iraq, and which became ISIS who now control huge swaths of Iraq and Syria.

Choosing to pretend that didn't happen makes no sense at all.

ihatemyfish

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Look - we all know that even before the events in Paris you didn't want Muslim refugees in Europe so at least be honest about that and stop using people's deaths as justification for your desire for Fortress Europe.

You want the same thing as Daesh - no possible means of escape for those who don't agree with them. Pretty it up all you want, blame who you want, use any excuse you want, but that won't change the fact that you share a common goal.

I want a sustainable immigration policy, not the current free for all which terrorists are abusing to get into Europe and travel about freely. I do not care what Daesh want. I want what's best for Europeans and that is closed borders .

The results of your open border policies of the last few decades were seen in Paris in Friday. No more.

Bannasidhe

ihatemyfish wrote: »

The irony in a lesbian calling for open borders for the very same people that would happily see her hanging from a crane or being thrown 20 foot off a roof in their own countries.

You're a turkey voting for Christmas and do you know what's the saddest thing? You don't even see it.

Ya - cos the Right-Wing would throw me a party and welcome me with open arms by which I mean throw me through an open window and have a party and the sad thing is you can't admit it.

Stinicker

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Look - we all know that even before the events in Paris you didn't want Muslim refugees in Europe so at least be honest about that and stop using people's deaths as justification for your desire for Fortress Europe.

You want the same thing as Daesh - no possible means of escape for those who don't agree with them. Pretty it up all you want, blame who you want, use any excuse you want, but that won't change the fact that you share a common goal.

The group in question are Islamic State and they should be called as such considering there is a direct link between the Islamic religion and these terrorists. Islam in its true form is terrorism and is a direct threat to every ideal of peace and happiness across the world. Read the Quran and you will see the direct link between terrorism and this teachings of this so called Religion.

wes

ihatemyfish wrote: »

The results of your open border policies of the last few decades was seen in Paris in Friday. No more.

How do you figure that exactly, seeing as the terrorists were born in Europe.

Uncle Ben

Patser wrote: »

Today FM reporting Germany Holland match abandoned due to security alert and stadium being evacuated

More disruption for Merkel. I understand she was to be in Hannover for tonight's match.

Agent Coulson

BBC reporting.

Germany's friendly with the Netherlands on Tuesday has been called off, report Hannover Police.
The Hannover Stadium, hosting the match, started to be evacuated less then two hours before kick-off.
More follows.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34849263

Bannasidhe

ihatemyfish wrote: »

I want a sustainable immigration policy, not the current free for all which terrorists are abusing to get into Europe and travel about freely. I do not care what Daesh want. I want what's best for Europeans and that is closed borders .

The results of your open border policies of the last few decades were seen in Paris in Friday. No more.

What fecking open door policies??

Seriously - do some research. There is no open door. There has never been an open door into Europe for Non-Europeans ever mind one of my devising. Even fricking Americans can't stroll in.

You do want what Daesh want. You are doing what Daesh want and you can't even see it.

seamus

Patser wrote: »

Today FM reporting Germany Holland match abandoned due to security alert and stadium being evacuated

Edit: Sky Sports live website reporting it too

http://www.skysports.com/football/live-blog

the match wasn't due to kick off for another hour, but yep it seems to have been cancelled by the police.

Must have been some reliable intel rather than a random threat from a nutter. Good work from the Germans if so.

quiet_speaker

wes wrote: »

ISIS have said it, thats how people know.



You mean like the people who supported the Iraq war, that has led to the current mess.....

so its the iraq war which led to the charlie hebdoe massacre in january ?

there was i thinking it was revenge for printing a picture of the prophet

quiet_speaker

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Hello new poster.

On behalf of the Liberal Pinko Marxist Right-On Posse P(L)C welcome to boards.

We hope you enjoy your experience of regurgitating crypto-fascist nonsense and don't take our attempts to censor you by asking you to clarify what you mean or disputing everything you say personally because of course we love and tolerate you as we have been brainwashed to do so.

well if that were true , it wouldnt be the policy of boards.ie to exclusively site ban conservatives

Bannasidhe

Stinicker wrote: »

The group in question are Islamic State and they should be called as such considering there is a direct link between the Islamic religion and these terrorists. Islam in its true form is terrorism and is a direct threat to every ideal of peace and happiness across the world. Read the Quran and you will see the direct link between terrorism and this teachings of this so called Religion.

Hey - if we can say 'left-wing fascist' now I can say Daesh when I want. k.

And I have read the Quran, and studied the History of Islam. I have also read the Bible and studied the History of Christianity. Perhaps you should do the same.

Bannasidhe

quiet_speaker wrote: »

well if that were true , it wouldnt be the policy of boards.ie to exclusively site ban conservatives

And to think I was called paranoid and told to go to the CT forum.

quiet_speaker

wes wrote: »

How do you figure that exactly, seeing as the terrorists were born in Europe.

that they were born in europe is all the more reason to close the borders as it shows the new arrivals childrens children may turn on their home country

muslims have a loyalty problem , they are more loyal to their co religonists thousands of miles away than their neighbours , thats a major feature of the culture , when catholics in east timor were being opressed around 1999 , you didnt get irish catholics getting all upset about it , ditto with catholics being opressed in el salvador in the eighties

due to the unique kinship with muslims have with each other , if we allow the muslim population of europe to increase , we are increasing the number of people with grudges

we cannot assuage all these people

wes

quiet_speaker wrote: »

so its the iraq war which led to the charlie hebdoe massacre in january ?

there was i thinking it was revenge for printing a picture of the prophet

No that attack was by Al Qaeda and not ISIS.

ISIS exist due to the Iraq war and stated US policy of drawing extremists there. You have failed to address my reasoning in anyway and have instead engaged in a complete straw man. My point is really rather clear, the Iraq war led to the creation of ISIS, and I stated my reasoning. You chose to ignore this, as reality doesn't suit you.

inforfun

seamus wrote: »

the match wasn't due to kick off for another hour, but yep it seems to have been cancelled by the police.

Must have been some reliable intel rather than a random threat from a nutter. Good work from the Germans if so.

Suspicious package found near the stadium as well as people acting suspiciously.

Well, get used to this.

In the mean time, police in Rotterdam arrested a 16 year old suspected of being involved with the tweet last weekend that resulted in an Air France flight being evacuated at Schiphol.

Colonialboy

Bannasidhe wrote: »

We hope you enjoy your experience of regurgitating crypto-fascist nonsense and don't take our attempts to censor you by asking you to clarify what you mean or disputing everything you say personally because of course we love and tolerate you as we have been brainwashed to do so.

I think thats HOUSE for you in fundamentaliberalism bingo.. you got all the buzzwords in in todays posts .

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Ya - cos the Right-Wing would throw me a party and welcome me with open arms by which I mean throw me through an open window and have a party and the sad thing is you can't admit it.

have we been paying attention class... this could fall into option 2 'Deflect' but I think it really shows we need a 4th D..
Distort - as in this is an example of distorting a opponents point to such a degree they wouldnt know where to start debating you on ...

ah i see the classic liberal 34Ds are coming up...

Deny the argument at all costs get it banned, get it shut down whatever..... then onto

deflect the argument at all costs, move attention away so the uneducated oiks can biker about something else.. if that doesnt work then its onto

Defame... I mean who likes racists.

Distort ... distorting a opponents point to such a degree they wouldnt know where to start debating you on ...

But boards is growing up in some parts i think and people are cottoning on to the tactics.

wes

quiet_speaker wrote: »

that they were born in europe is all the more reason to close the borders as it shows the new arrivals childrens children may turn on their home country

So punish people for something there childrens, children may do......

Hmmmm, well then we should really not let anyone in ever, as I am pretty sure someone grand children in the future may sometime to something awful. We should stop all procreation, that way, future people can't commit crimes as they won't exist.

quiet_speaker wrote: »

muslims have a loyalty problem , they are more loyal to their co religonists thousands of miles away than their neighbours , thats a major feature of the culture , when catholics in east timor were being opressed around 1999 , you didnt get irish catholics getting all upset about it , ditto with catholics being opressed in el salvador in the eighties

Plenty of Irish American's sent money to the IRA for example. So not unique to Muslims.

quiet_speaker wrote: »

due to the unique kinship with muslims have with each other , if we allow the muslim population of europe to increase , we are increasing the number of people with grudges

we cannot assuage all these people

So send the refugees to be slaughtered by Assad and ISIS, due to something there grand children may or may not do. That some messed up reasoning right there.

wes

quiet_speaker wrote: »

well if that were true , it wouldnt be the policy of boards.ie to exclusively site ban conservatives

Can you point to where this policy is on the site?

Bannasidhe

Colonialboy wrote: »

I think thats HOUSE for you in fundamentaliberalism bingo.. you got all the buzzwords in in todays posts .



have we been paying attention class... this could fall into option 2 'Deflect' but I think it really shows we need a 4th D..
Distort - as in this is an example of distorting a opponents point to such a degree they wouldnt know where to start debating you on ...

Do I win a black shirt or a Blue shirt or a Brown shirt?

Foxtrol

wes wrote: »

Your ignoring the stated American policy of drawing extremist to Iraq "fight the over there, so we don't have to fight them over here", that led to AQ in Iraq, and which became ISIS who now control huge swaths of Iraq and Syria.

Choosing to pretend that didn't happen makes no sense at all.

Nice strawman, as I haven’t seen one post that states that US foreign policy isn’t at all a factor in this.

I have however seen multiple posts that try to renounce any connection between Islam and the attacks and reject that there is any tangible risk bringing in that number of refugees. Those statements are just as deluded as your US Policy strawman.

Colonialboy

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Do I win a black shirt or a Blue shirt or a Brown shirt?

you can wear whatever shirt colour you want ... it can even be Rainbow coloured ... havent you noticed we are all liberals here , your actually among friends and good people , you just don't know it.

Stinicker

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Hey - if we can say 'left-wing fascist' now I can say Daesh when I want. k.

And I have read the Quran, and studied the History of Islam. I have also read the Bible and studied the History of Christianity. Perhaps you should do the same.

I also have done so and I understand the Quran perfectly well, it instructs its believers to assimilate and stay peaceful when in the minority and when weak but as they grow in numbers it instructs them to seek power and to convert or kill the infidel, all the nonsense we hear about peace and tolerance is in the earlier sections which are completely overridden by the hatred. The Prophet Mohammed was a murderous Pedophile, who converted people to Islam by force.

Islam is the single greatest threat to the world today with almost 2 billion adherents and an estimated 15% (300million) extremists who share the exact same stone age viewpoint as Islamic State.

The Holy Bible is a totally different thing and where the Bible would get a PG rating at best, the Quran is Rated R-18 in my rating. If I decided to write a book with the same level of hatred and racism as the Quran today I would find myself facing charges for Racial and Religious hatred and incitement yet we allow the Quran and Islam to be preached openly without question.

quiet_speaker

wes wrote: »

So punish people for something there childrens, children may do......

Hmmmm, well then we should really not let anyone in ever, as I am pretty sure someone grand children in the future may sometime to something awful. We should stop all procreation, that way, future people can't commit crimes as they won't exist.



Plenty of Irish American's sent money to the IRA for example. So not unique to Muslims.



So send the refugees to be slaughtered by Assad and ISIS, due to something there grand children may or may not do. That some messed up reasoning right there.

there is no war going on in turkey , saudi arabia , qatar , the UAE , let them go there , let europe donate to the cost if need be , let them find refuge in nations which are more culturally similar

if someone told me there was a poisoned cookie in a jar of a thousand cookies , i would chance putting my hand in , the risks outweigh the rewards for europe long term

quiet_speaker

Stinicker wrote: »

I also have done so and I understand the Quran perfectly well, it instructs its believers to assimilate and stay peaceful when in the minority and when weak but as they grow in numbers it instructs them to seek power and to convert or kill the infidel, all the nonsense we hear about peace and tolerance is in the earlier sections which are completely overridden by the hatred. The Prophet Mohammed was a murderous Pedophile, who converted people to Islam by force.

Islam is the single greatest threat to the world today with almost 2 billion adherents and an estimated 15% (300million) extremists who share the exact same stone age viewpoint as Islamic State.

The Holy Bible is a totally different thing and where the Bible would get a PG rating at best, the Quran is Rated R-18 in my rating. If I decided to write a book with the same level of hatred and racism as the Quran today I would find myself facing charges for Racial and Religious hatred and incitement yet we allow the Quran and Islam to be preached openly without question.

that the bible is full of hate is a complete canard , name one western nation which makes laws based on it , let alone enforces them , sharia is carried out in some shape or form in many nations , the head scholar on the clonskeagh mosque is on record saying that sharia law should be used here if the population changes enough

MadsL

Stinicker wrote: »

I also have done so and I understand the Quran perfectly well, it instructs its believers to assimilate and stay peaceful when in the minority and when weak but as they grow in numbers it instructs them to seek power and to convert or kill the infidel, all the nonsense we hear about peace and tolerance is in the earlier sections which are completely overridden by the hatred. The Prophet Mohammed was a murderous Pedophile, who converted people to Islam by force.

Perhaps you could quote the relevant sura as you are so well versed?

Bannasidhe

Colonialboy wrote: »

you can wear whatever shirt colour you want ... it can even be Rainbow coloured ... havent you noticed we are all liberals here , your actually among friends and good people , you just don't know it.

How marvellous. And some of you hide your liberalism so well one would be forgiven for thinking you were actually right-wing xenophobes.

Now I understand - you all are fifth columnists deliberately spouting nonsense to expose the absurdity of believing the way to combat extremism is by imposing greater extremism, that the way to stop the radicalization of Muslim youth is by further demonizing them, and that to save our liberal European societies we much abandon everything that makes it liberal.

Finally - so many posts make sense!