Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

RDM_83 again · 17-11-2015 12:33PM

smash wrote: »

How can a thread about a horrible massacre in France descend into a bullshit bickering match about the IRA and the Magdalene Laundries way back when?

Seriously guys...

Ah its classic Boards diversionary posting, best achieved by focussing on an not thought out aside of a posters point but not the main thrust of the argument. Then bring in something like the Catholic Church/Historic Irish attitudes (its always the Churches fault, even when it was Islamic Fundamentalists it was Dev and the Bishops :-P )

RDM_83 again · 17-11-2015 12:40PM

Incidentally in this one incident there has been 2/3 of the casualties of the entire IRA campaign in mainland Britain (so decades!).
Its not like for like even if you apply the whataboutery.

Bannasidhe · 17-11-2015 12:51PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Ah its classic Boards diversionary posting, best achieved by focussing on an not thought out aside of a posters point but not the main thrust of the argument. Then bring in something like the Catholic Church/Historic Irish attitudes (its always the Churches fault, even when it was Islamic Fundamentalists it was Dev and the Bishops :-P )

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Incidentally in this one incident there has been 2/3 of the casualties of the entire IRA campaign in mainland Britain.
Its not like for like even if you apply the whataboutery.

Alternately it could be viewed at pointing out that knee-jerk blaming of whole groups of people because a minority are psychotic could have worked out very badly for the Irish in the recent past so it's a bit rich to hear Irish people knee-jerking all over the place.

Our psychos killed less than their psychos so we can't make comparisons?
If we are going by body count that it's non-fundamentalist Muslims who are the real victims - ISIS is killing them in droves and we don't want them. They are damned either way eh.

jmayo · 17-11-2015 12:58PM

BoatMad wrote: »

Pretty much a classic " head in the sand" approach if you ask me , a metaphorical building up of sand bags , while all the time the waters rise. The flood always happens and the sand bag fillers then stand around looking bewildered

A functioning society however , goes out an works out what to do about the potential for floods and acts in advance

You do know that sandbags actually do work a lot of the time.

Peist2007 wrote: »

Because Western countries are using their homelands as bombing destinations and taking the one substance in their possession which could provide them with wealth similar to western countries , their oil. It's pretty easy to see where the base sense of anger comes from.

So tell me again why French born/Belgian born guys are fighting for the rights of people in Syria and Iraq to hang onto their oil.

Also it is quiet funny that you mention oil seen that ISIS are flogging it off.
Are they using that money to help the locals under their control or rather using it to fund the murder of more civilians.

Ans speaking of the natural resources isn't also nice to see what they are doing with the natives antiquities, which is either smashing to be bits or once again flogging them off on the black market.
Probably to the very westerners they despise.

Peist2007 wrote: »

There's the real agenda. "I dont like darkies". Sad.

Ah yes the old racist tag is thrown out when all else fails.

Well I don't care what the fook you label me, I do not want any more unfethered immigration into Europe from countries that are predominantly muslim.
It is patently obvious that a sizable chunk of muslims have been failing to integrate into Western society so why accept anymore.

And it aint just a case of them refusing to join in the local culture and customs, it is the much more serious fact they are effectively trying to overthrow the rule of law and order in the state by murdering some of their fellow citizens.

Of course we hear the usual shyteology trotted out by authorities and the "liberal" wing that immigrants will be vetted.

That is total bullsh** as there is no way in hell one can really check with Syrian, Libyan, Somalian, etc authorities whether or not the guy in front of you is a would be jihadi murderer or just some poor guy who has a shyt* hand dealt to him.

BoatMad wrote: »

the people in Betaclan shouted " This is for Syria"

I think we can all accept that was perceived to be the cause of " defending their home land "

How many of them were actually Syrian ?

BoatMad wrote: »

The fact is you either accept peaceful methods or you accept violent ones. distinctions are just splitting hairs.

There is no difference between a radical ISIS operative seeking a self governing Calipate, and Devalara!.. ( who successfully engineered a priest run Caliphate and split blood to do so )

The only difference is an argument about the extremes of violence, thats hair splitting.

Our " terrorists/freedom fighters" are not " nicer" then their " terrorists /freedom fighters

Ahh FFS the amount of semantic gymnastics carried out by you and your ilk is of olympian proportions at this stage.

If people like you and corbyn have their way we will all be under Sharia law less we upset some people and less we admit that sometimes playing nicely nicely doesn't safeguard your actual freedoms.

I am getting sick and fooking tired of being told that liberalism and freedom means that we should bend over backwards and accept people who actually don't give two sh**s about liberal values.

Nodin · 17-11-2015 12:58PM

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Nodin and Builderplumber, I am posting this pretty much in ignorance of muslim sub factions and groups.

It is purely my simple observation that these quotes seem to fit the current extremists' agenda.

I read the Green book some time ago, trying to understand islam's stronger stance, you know, how they can get to a point where they think what they think.
.

It's a book of unsourced quotes, written by an Iranian exile in France, unknown in Iran and regarded as fake. As I said, the muslims attacking European cities are not Shia, and in fact have killed far more Shia than westerners. They are an offshoot of the Sunni Wahabi sect.

dissed doc · 17-11-2015 12:59PM

conorhal wrote: »

Why is this creature not in jail for his activities? Why are he and his mates not on the first flight to Guantanamo Bay?

Francis Fitzgerald needs a kick up the hole. Is it that hard to put this man and his cronies in jail for their activities?

When the politicians come around to canvass, give them **** for not getting foreign terrorists out of the country, and papers revoked. We are meant be in charge of our country and who is allowed in.

Scream directly at your councillor to get the ****ing Islamic terrorists out of the country. Why? Because you don't want them allowed in. You want passports cancelled and people deported. Asylum status or visa for non-natives is on the assumption of no law breaking. Break the law by supporting and funding international terrorism is not cool. If he is deported due to law breaking or illegal activities, his child's right to remain is also revoked. We do not owe anybody anything.

Anchor babies are illegal right?

Non-native Irish on temporary visas or acquired citizenship can have those rights revoked if they transgress the law right?

We are allowed decide our own laws and deport those foreigners who try to subvert the authority of the state for their own religious law, right?

Our politicians are refusing to allow Ireland to legally protect itself and are approving the visa of people we do not want who might bring a lot of death here.

opiniated · 17-11-2015 01:01PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Alternately it could be viewed at pointing out that knee-jerk blaming of who groups of people because a minority are psychotic could have worked out very badly for the Irish in the recent past so it's a bit rich to hear Irish people knee-jerking all over the place.

Our psychos killed less than their psychos so we can't make comparisons?
If we are going by body count that it's non-fundamentalist Muslims who are the real victims - ISIS is killing them in droves and we don't want them. They are damned either way eh.

There is one valid comparison that could be made between the IRA and ISIS (though what the IRA have to do with it, I don't know!) - which is that they were/are both secretive organisations.

Neither group exactly publicise their membership to non-members.

So, logic dictates that all the "Why don't the non-members report their concerns" mantra is at best, illogical.

The non-members don't report the members, because they don't know who they are....

The other weapon terrorist groups have is fear.
The few who may know the identity of a terrorist are in no doubt that "reporting their concerns" may be the last thing they ever do on this earth.

It would be nice if life were simple, wouldn't it?

kunst nugget · 17-11-2015 01:12PM

opiniated wrote: »

The other weapon terrorist groups have is fear.
The few who may know the identity of a terrorist are in no doubt that "reporting their concerns" may be the last thing they ever do on this earth.

It would be nice if life were simple, wouldn't it?

The way I'd look at it, if you knew you had been living near a dissident republican during the troubles, would you have reported them to the Gardai if you weren't sympathetic to their cause or would you have kept your mouth shut for fear of retribution on your family?

Bannasidhe · 17-11-2015 01:22PM

jmayo wrote: »

Ahh FFS the amount of semantic gymnastics carried out by you and your ilk is of olympian proportions at this stage.

If people like you and corbyn have their way we will all be under Sharia law less we upset some people and less we admit that sometimes playing nicely nicely doesn't safeguard your actual freedoms.

I am getting sick and fooking tired of being told that liberalism and freedom means that we should bend over backwards and accept people who actually don't give two sh**s about liberal values.

Ah - it's the liberals fault that our liberal societies are being attacked by extremists because they hate our freedoms and unless we shut the liberals up and curtail our freedoms they will take over and do what exactly?
Silence the liberals and curtails our freedoms perhaps.

How much easier if we just do the heavy lifting for them.
Kind of like if people mug members of their family to safe guard against muggers doing it.

MrPudding · 17-11-2015 01:23PM

seamus wrote: »

I think most countries have that. The Minister for Justice has the power to revoke citizenship here in Ireland.

Hollande is full of hot air at the moment though. Terrorist or otherwise, international rules mean that you cannot strip someone of their citizenship/nationality unless they have a second one to fall back on.

If terrorists or suspected terrorists have not claimed any other nationality, Hollande cannot strip their French nationality from them no matter how much hot air he blows.

The report I read said he was talking, specifically, about dual nationals.

MrP

suicide_circus · 17-11-2015 01:26PM

So the French have evoked article 42.7 of the Lisbon Treaty, the "mutual assistance" clause.

ComfortKid · 17-11-2015 01:29PM

Who buys the oil of ISIS?

kunst nugget · 17-11-2015 01:29PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

So the French have evoked article 42.7 of the Lisbon Treaty, the "mutual assistance" clause.

Do they do that using Yu gi oh cards?

suicide_circus · 17-11-2015 01:32PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Do they do that using Yu gi oh cards?

I don't get the reference so I'm not sure if that's funny

Bannasidhe · 17-11-2015 01:33PM

opiniated wrote: »

There is one valid comparison that could be made between the IRA and ISIS (though what the IRA have to do with it, I don't know!) - which is that they were/are both secretive organisations.

Neither group exactly publicise their membership to non-members.

So, logic dictates that all the "Why don't the non-members report their concerns" mantra is at best, illogical.

The non-members don't report the members, because they don't know who they are....

The other weapon terrorist groups have is fear.
The few who may know the identity of a terrorist are in no doubt that "reporting their concerns" may be the last thing they ever do on this earth.

It would be nice if life were simple, wouldn't it?

Life seems to be simple if you look at things simplistically ignoring all that PC global context and 'liberal revisionist' history.

Members of X group murder people therefore all members of X are potentially murderers so we should kill them all to make sure we kill all the murders. It will save lives.

The wearing of Simplistic Blinkers not only allows one to ignore that just a few decades ago X= Irish but also to scream 'whataboutry' if the comparison is made by a PC liberal appeaser ISIS luvin lefty pinko yada yada.

The only answer to bombs is apparently more bombs exploding in a different geographical location.
Just as the answer to atrocities against our civilians is to kill their civilians.

This will end it all just like it did the other times... except it didn't end anything. It fed it.

inforfun · 17-11-2015 01:33PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

Who buys the oil of ISIS?

Any chancer who thinks... hey, that is cheap or hey, i can make a lot of money.

kupus · 17-11-2015 01:35PM

ah i see the classic liberal 3Ds are coming up...

Deny the argument at all costs get it banned, get it shut down whatever..... then onto

deflect the argument at all costs, move attention away so the uneducated oiks can biker about something else.. if that doesnt work then its onto

Defame... I mean who likes racists.

But boards is growing up in some parts i think and people are cottoning on to the tactics.

Bannasidhe · 17-11-2015 01:36PM

inforfun wrote: »

Any chancer who thinks... hey, that is cheap or hey, i can make a lot of money.

Yup.

Just like the people who think ohhhh - this ancient art work is even more valuable and rare now that the people I am buying it off have destroyed most of the other ancient art works in the region. I must have it - my friend will be so jealous!

Bannasidhe · 17-11-2015 01:37PM

kupus wrote: »

ah i see the classic liberal 3Ds are coming up...

Deny the argument at all costs get it banned, get it shut down whatever..... then onto

deflect the argument at all costs, move attention away so the uneducated oiks can biker about something else.. if that doesnt work then its onto

Defame... I mean who likes racists.

But boards is growing up in some parts i think and people are cottoning on to the tactics.

And we would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those damn oik bikers :mad:

Harry Palmr · 17-11-2015 01:37PM

It doesn't matter who is buying, what matters how its leaving the county - across the Turkish border for the most part, ditto the trade in antiquities.

Turkey says it wants to be taken seriously as a modern state and join the EU well some pressure needs to be applied from same.

Colonialboy · 17-11-2015 01:38PM

kupus wrote: »

ah i see the classic liberal 3Ds are coming up...

Deny the argument at all costs get it banned, get it shut down whatever..... then onto

deflect the argument at all costs, move attention away so the uneducated oiks can biker about something else.. if that doesnt work then its onto

Defame... I mean who likes racists.

But boards is growing up in some parts i think and people are cottoning on to the tactics.

yes they are living in their liberal utopian wet-dream whilst the rest of us are awake and living in reality

JustTheOne · 17-11-2015 01:38PM

Yes isis are killing more Muslims than Christians and 1000s of women and children while prostitutig them and not forgetting beheading people and setting them on fire in cages all for oil.

Whoever doesn't subscribe to their beliefs gets it. That what this is about.

Bannasidhe · 17-11-2015 01:40PM

Colonialboy wrote: »

yes they are living in their liberal utopian wet-dream whilst the rest of us are awake and living in reality

No - you are living in the Liberal world but don't worry, there are many like you working to see it destroyed. You may not like what they replace it with but hey ho - be careful what you wish for.

Gaygooner · 17-11-2015 01:45PM

buzzfeed.com/lynzybilling/where-syrian-children-sleep

Them Syrian refugees eh???

RobertKK · 17-11-2015 01:54PM

In response to the Paris attacks and the real threat of more violence, France has looked to enact for the first time the part of the Lisbon treaty that calls for mutual assistance in defending their country.

France has sought help in fighting ISIS from its European Union partners under the Lisbon Treaty, but this does not imply a common security and defence operation, according to the EU’s foreign policy chief.

At a meeting of defence ministers in the wake of Friday’s attacks in Paris, French defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian officially became the first to invoke the treaty’s mutual defence clause.

Le Drian said that France was seeking assistance from other EU countries for military operations it is carrying out in Syria and elsewhere.

He said that help could come in the form of “either cooperation on capacities for the French interventions in Syria or Iraq, or by relief for or support to France in other operations.”

http://www.businesspost.ie/france-calls-on-eu-partners-to-help-in-fighting-isis/

I hope we are not neutral on this, and we can help in whatever way possible. The people who attacked France would have no problem doing the same to us, and reports are we have 30 -40 people here who have links to extremism according to Tom Clonan.

Grayditch · 17-11-2015 01:56PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I hope we are not neutral on this, and we can help in whatever way possible. The people who attacked France would have no problem doing the same to us, and reports are we have 30 -40 people here who have links to extremism according to Tom Clonan.

Unless we remain neutral.

MPFGLB · 17-11-2015 02:00PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Unless we remain neutral.

There is no neutral against ISIS. Its not 1939

And it would be shameful to not stand with the rest of Europe especially when Ireland has been so ready to take their euros in the past

Depp · 17-11-2015 02:04PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Unless we remain neutral.

Have you ever heard of a little airport called shannon? if you legitimately think we're not a target youre living in la la land

zeffabelli · 17-11-2015 02:05PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Simples - because there are calls for closing borders to wide groups of people because less than 1% of them might be terrorists.

It's a little bit more complicated than that.

A lot of Isis recruitment comes from disaffected alienated first born Europeans. You bring in migrants, and they are going to breed more disaffected alienated first born Europeans.

Multi culturalism is a hands down failure in Europe.

And for all the people comparing the Irish and the Irish Americans to migrants and Isis and terrorist sympathisers, lets not forget a lot of the money came from back bar rooms in Boston.

And Irish Catholicism was something to be scared of.... it shackled both men and women into an ideological slavery to its own Talibanesque version of Catholicism.

The difference is that the Irish were willing and able to integrate compatibly, but it did also come with weapons and money transferance back into Irish terrorism.

Hurtbuthealing · 17-11-2015 02:06PM

There can be no neutrality here, either we support ISIS and their cowardly and animalistic attacks , or we support our European allies, our fellow European citizens and do whatever is is required to eradicate ISIS, their followers, their sympathizers, and their apologists from the face of the earth.

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