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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #4712
    Rabo Karabekian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 275 ✭✭Rabo Karabekian


    Saipanne wrote: »
    I hear ya, but old Mo would be proud of IS. You know, the group that in no way represents Islam.

    #terrorismhasnoreligion

    :)

    We can go around in circles, but I don't think it would do anything to change either of our points of view.
    Saipanne wrote: »
    I do, because it would mean that moderate Islam joins us in standing up to islamism. I would genuinely love that to happen. No messing.

    Like when Immams showed up at the French embassy to offer their condolences and condemn the attacks? Or the condemnation of the attacks by various heads of (Islamic) states?


  • #4713
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Eh... Might need a new thread but:

    Saudi Arabia declares all atheists are terrorists in new law to crack down on political dissidents
    Article one of the new provisions defines terrorism as "calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based".


  • #4714
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Nodin wrote: »
    This has come up before. 'What have the moderates said?' 'Here is what the moderates have said' followed by 'its not enough''/they mean something other than what they said' /'taqqiya'/'then why don't they' and so on. Like clockwork.

    Yes, a few inams have come out with a statement. That's really good news, but there's nothing wrong with expecting more. Do you not agree?


  • #4715
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,560 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    questionmark? wrote: »
    For those of us not watching the fuzzball could you care to expand?

    Video of Minutes Silence Being Interrupted


  • #4716
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Irish american refer to themselfs as just that 'Irish American.


    what they call themselves, doesn't change what they are. American citizens , nor does it make them any less an American citizen for using that moniker. Equally its far too simplistic to single out Belgian Iraqis and claim they have split allegiances

    anyway , its more like there will use the term French Muslim , Ive heard people describe themselves as irish Muslims, rathre similar to the term Irish Catholics

    note that the people I refer to have Irish citizenry , Im not referring to people with foreign nationalities


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  • #4717
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Rabo Karabekian wrote: »
    Like when Immams showed up at the French embassy to offer their condolences and condemn the attacks? Or the condemnation of the attacks by various heads of (Islamic) states?
    I'm starting to think it's merely Taqiyya in action.


  • #4718
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,568 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    smash wrote: »
    Eh... Might need a new thread but:

    Saudi Arabia declares all atheists are terrorists in new law to crack down on political dissidents

    I wonder if countries will cut off economic and diplomatic ties with SA over that

    Will Enda Kenny come out and condemn the decision in the strongest of terms? I'm guessing not after his government decided to lower our state flags to half-mast after their king died a few months ago.

    SA are known to be funding ISIS, yet the biggest and richest countries in the world have billion dollar arms deals with them. Yet it's refugees that people complain about. Useful idiots the lot of us


  • #4719
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Yes, a few inams have come out with a statement. That's really good news, but there's nothing wrong with expecting more. Do you not agree?


    Few more come out with it = 'still should be more'/'taqqiya' again.

    Years ago some papers in Britain seemed to expect the first thing every irish person should do every morning was attend a parade condemning the RA and handing over every and all persons even suspected of Republican sympathies. This was rightly regarded as a simplistic, stupid and fairly nasty bit of demonization. It doesn't get any better when applied to muslims.


  • #4720
    meepins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭meepins


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    ......otherwise you're completely disingenuous and have zero credibility. Deliberate misrepresentation generally ends an argument. So, show me there please.

    Twenty minutes earlier ...
    Peist2007 wrote: »
    There's the real agenda. "I dont like darkies". Sad.


  • #4721
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Nodin wrote: »
    Few more come out with it = 'still should be more'/'taqqiya' again.

    Years ago some papers in Britain seemed to expect the first thing every irish person should do every morning was attend a parade condemning the RA and handing over every and all persons even suspected of Republican sympathies. This was rightly regarded as a simplistic, stupid and fairly nasty bit of demonization. It doesn't get any better when applied to muslims.

    Could they not work with the authorities to identify extremists in their community?

    Is that asking too much? I don't think it is, considering that they clearly condemn such people.

    Moderate Muslims should be ostracising these people, since they dislike them so much?

    Actions speak louder than statements to the press.

    Right?


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  • #4722
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Could they not work with the authorities to identify extremists in their community?

    Is that asking too much? I don't think it is, considering that they clearly condemn such people.

    Right?

    That bloke down the street, the one that rants on after a few drinks about how the Brits are all evil and we shouldn't rest until they're all expelled and/or dead, have you reported him to the Gardai?


  • #4723
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Samaris wrote: »
    That bloke down the street, the one that rants on after a few drinks about how the Brits are all evil and we shouldn't rest until they're all expelled and/or dead, have you reported him to the Gardai?

    If he is really serious about people being dead, like he made threats? Yes.


  • #4724
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    BoatMad wrote: »
    what they call themselves, doesn't change what they are. American citizens , nor does it make them any less an American citizen for using that moniker. Equally its far too simplistic to single out Belgian Iraqis and claim they have split allegiances

    anyway , its more like there will use the term French Muslim , Ive heard people describe themselves as irish Muslims, rathre similar to the term Irish Catholics

    note that the people I refer to have Irish citizenry , Im not referring to people with foreign nationalities

    I think you are missing the point , Irish americans are indeed american citizens but they identify with both parts of the 'Irish American' bit ... Belgian Turks / French Moroccans dont relate with the first part of the term at all, yes they have citizenship but they do not consider themselves a citizens of Belgium or France.


  • #4725
    Panrich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭Panrich


    smash wrote: »
    Eh... Might need a new thread but:

    Saudi Arabia declares all atheists are terrorists in new law to crack down on political dissidents

    Them Saudis are loathsome *****


  • #4726
    mynameis905
    Closed Accounts Posts: 754 ✭✭✭mynameis905


    Samaris wrote: »
    That bloke down the street, the one that rants on after a few drinks about how the Brits are all evil and we shouldn't rest until they're all expelled and/or dead, have you reported him to the Gardai?

    The drunk guy down the street is fairly unlikely to kill 130 people of a Friday evening in Paris.


  • #4727
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,568 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Could they not work with the authorities to identify extremists in their community?

    Are you really naive or ignorant enough to believe that communities don't already work with authorities to tackle this stuff?


  • #4728
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Could they not work with the authorities to identify extremists in their community?

    Is that asking too much? I don't think it is, considering that they clearly condemn such people.

    Moderate Muslims should be ostracising these people, since they dislike them so much?

    Actions speak louder than statements to the press.

    Right?


    What the Express/Daily Mail used say abut Irish folk and the RA - why was that a stupid notion?


  • #4729
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Are you really naive or ignorant enough to believe that communities don't already work with authorities to tackle this stuff?

    Well how ever many are doing it, they seem to be doing a cracking job.


  • #4730
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    mynameis905 wrote: »
    The silence on the Islam forum was deafening and the thread on this topic was shut down after just 3 pages by a heavy handed mod. Anything even remotely critical of Islam gets shut down within a few posts.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057522505&page=3



    QUOTE : MS1962:
    "You can't artificially separate Islam 'the religion' from its inherent political objectives. The Islamic system is intrinsically political - the aim of Islam is to subject the entire world to Sharia Law by hook or by crook. Well, now the entire world is slowly, slowly waking up to the reality of Islam and more and more people are researching what it is and reading for themselves rather than just what the BBC tells them. And no, I am not challenging/commenting on your moderation - you made a contributing comment which is wrong on this thread and I am challenging it. Hopefully you can take the correction. ;-)"



    Was a good post though, whatever about the mod questioning faux pas.


  • #4731
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,568 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Well how ever many are doing it, they seem to be doing a cracking job.

    People commit crimes in spite of there being a police force

    Shocking I know


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  • #4732
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    My name is URL wrote: »
    People commit crimes in spite of there being a police force

    Shocking I know

    I doubt many mosques are playing ball. That's my hunch. Your hunch is that loads are.

    Those are the only facts, I suppose. Two hunches.


  • #4733
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Well how ever many are doing it, they seem to be doing a cracking job.

    Care to get back to me on my last post?


  • #4734
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Nodin wrote: »
    What the Express/Daily Mail used say abut Irish folk and the RA - why was that a stupid notion?

    This probably makes sense in your mind, I'm sure.


  • #4735
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    I just wanted to chime in here and point out that it is possible to be both Irish and American at the same time, no doubt this is also true of Dutch/Morrocan or Belgian/Turkish...

    I don't really expect all of the mononationals to understand, but I assure you it's true.


  • #4736
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Saipanne wrote: »
    I doubt many mosques are playing ball. That's my hunch. Your hunch is that loads are.

    Those are the only facts, I suppose. Two hunches.

    You should immediately pen a strongly worded letter to all the security forces in the world asking why they are not publishing a detailed list of the information they have received directly from Muslim Islamic sources.

    It's outrageous that we, the general public, don't know how many mosques and/or which mosques are supplying information on militants to the authorities.


  • #4737
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    I just wanted to chime in here and point out that it is possible to be both Irish and American at the same time, no doubt this is also true of Dutch/Morrocan or Belgian/Turkish...

    I don't really expect all of the mononationals to understand, but I assure you it's true.

    I have Swiss/Irish/German nieces. They have very strong Cork accents (when speaking English anyway....) even though they have never lived in Ireland.


  • #4738
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    You should immediately pen a strongly worded letter to all the security forces in the world asking why they are not publishing a detailed list of the information they have receive from directly from Muslim Islamic sources.

    It's outrageous that we, the general public, don't know how many mosques and/or which mosques are supplying information to militants to the authorities.

    Good idea. Thanks!


  • #4739
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    I just wanted to chime in here and point out that it is possible to be both Irish and American at the same time, no doubt this is also true of Dutch/Morrocan or Belgian/Turkish...

    I don't really expect all of the mononationals to understand, but I assure you it's true.

    only if you hold dual nationalities, a practice that is only tolerated by a few countries ( one being ireland )

    You can claim to be sympathetically attached to a " mother land ", but that is all it is, an attachment.

    Your nationality is defined by a set of rules.


  • #4740
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I have Swiss/Irish/German nieces. They have very strong Cork accents (when speaking English anyway....) even though they have never lived in Ireland.

    Third culture kids.


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  • #4741
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Mon Ireland!

    :)


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