Garda hits man with baton NAMA

NachoBusiness · 16-11-2015 03:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He was only hit once. Watch the video again.

Just shows how many people have actually watched this video.

He was struck three times. When he first strikes the man the camera loses focus and so hard to tell if he made contact or not but he certainly made contact with his second strike and also with his third and final one which knocked the man to the ground.

johann johannson · 16-11-2015 03:39PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Just shows how many people have actually watched this video.

He was struck three times. When he first strikes the man the camera loses focus and so hard to tell if he made contact but he certainly made contact with the second strike and also the third and final one which knocked the man to the ground.

Thank you, exactly the stills I had prepared and hosted, ready for sharing. Alas my number of posts prevented me from doing so.

When he first strikes the man the camera loses focus and so hard to tell if he made contact

This may be confused for extending the baton, but you can see as he whips it out, it's already extended before turning to strike him. It's amazing how the crowd opened out to show the exact moment of all three strikes, but yet you can say any but the last one. Or is a strike to the back of the neck only classes as a strike? And the two leg ones are warning shots?

NachoBusiness · 16-11-2015 03:48PM

Danger Fourpence wrote: »

Is this the same bald man with the goatee that was holding onto the Garda long before he produced the baton?

Yawn.

The only reason he is holding onto the Garda is because whilst he was talking to / at him (whichever you prefer) he was pushed away by that Garda along with the girl beside him, which caused her to fall over. She grabbed the man's arm as she was falling and he instinctively interlocked the Garda's arm so he wouldn't end up on the floor with the girl. The girl was still hanging off the man's arm whilst the Garda attempted to push him a further two times.

In short: get your facts straight.

Danger Fourpence · 16-11-2015 03:50PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Just shows how many people have actually watched this video.

He was struck three times. When he first strikes the man the camera loses focus and so hard to tell if he made contact or not but he certainly made contact with his second strike and also with his third and final one which knocked the man to the ground.

Don't the Gardai have extendable batons? Wouldn't the first "strike" be to open it up?

Danger Fourpence · 16-11-2015 03:51PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Yawn.

The only reason he is holding onto the Garda is because whilst he was talking to / at him (whichever you prefer) he was pushed away along with the girl beside him, which caused her to fall over. She grabbed the man's arm as she was falling and he instinctively interlocked the Garda's arm so he wouldn't end up on the floor with the girl. The girl was still hanging off the man's arm whilst the Garda attempted to push him a further two times.

In short: get your facts straight.

And he's holding onto the Garda while he's making an arrest because.....?

johann johannson · 16-11-2015 03:53PM

johann johannson wrote: »

This may be confused for extending the baton, but you can see as he whips it out, it's already extended before turning to strike him.

It's evident there. The first 'strike' is not to extend the baton. It's already extended by his side as he takes it out.

Azalea · 16-11-2015 03:54PM

Yodeling Snake wrote: »

Who are the 125 tits who liked this post?

What's wrong with that post? Nothing unreasonable or stupid about it at all.

NachoBusiness · 16-11-2015 03:55PM

Danger Fourpence wrote: »

And he's holding onto the Garda while he's making an arrest because.....?

Eh, I just told you why. In the very post you quoted:

NachoBusiness wrote: »

The only reason he is holding onto the Garda is because whilst he was talking to / at him (whichever you prefer) he was pushed away by that Garda along with the girl beside him, which caused her to fall over. She grabbed the man's arm as she was falling and he instinctively interlocked the Garda's arm so he wouldn't end up on the floor with the girl. The girl was still hanging off the man's arm whilst the Garda attempted to push him a further two times.

mynamejeff · 16-11-2015 03:58PM

johann johannson wrote: »

It's evident there. The first 'strike' is not to extend the baton. It's already extended by his side as he takes it out.

But thats just not true ,

takes out baton flicks it out it goes no where near anyone

first strike is high and ineffective

second strike properly makes contact

calling black white doesn't make it so

your either a liar or a fool

Danger Fourpence · 16-11-2015 03:59PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Eh, I just told you why. In the very post you quoted:

Do you hold onto people when talking to them? That's a bit intimidating.

As far as I can see the man is hit twice. The first strike is the baton being extended. The second strike, I think, catches his leg. The third catches his neck/shoulder.

I couldn't count how many times the Garda was pushed/shoved/dragged in the same time frame. I did see the girl falling as a result of the Garda having to push away a man who was holding onto him.

Kimbot · 16-11-2015 04:00PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

But thats just not true ,

takes out baton flicks it out it goes no where near anyone

first strike is high and ineffective

second strike properly makes contact

calling black white doesn't make it so

your either a liar or a fool

Look the garda made contact more than once with his baton...... its not acceptable end of.

mynamejeff · 16-11-2015 04:01PM

jonny24ie wrote: »

Look the garda made contact more than once with his baton...... its not acceptable end of.

why is it acceptable to hit once but not twice ?

if the first one dont work ?

its hard plastic with a metal at the end not a light saber

Seth Brundle · 16-11-2015 04:02PM

sonny.knowles wrote: »

Shouting 'peaceful protest' doesn't make it a peaceful protest.

Maybe it's more how you shout it that makes it peaceful?

Danger Fourpence · 16-11-2015 04:06PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

why is it acceptable to hit once but not twice ?

if the first one dont work ?

its hard plastic with a metal at the end not a light saber

If he made the sound of a light sabre though?

NachoBusiness · 16-11-2015 04:07PM

Danger Fourpence wrote: »

Do you hold onto people when talking to them? That's a bit intimidating.

The man never touched the Garda's arm whilst speaking with him.

Stop posting lies.

Danger Fourpence · 16-11-2015 04:12PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

The man never touched the Garda's arm whilst speaking with him.

Stop posting lies.

Watch it again I'd say...

johann johannson · 16-11-2015 04:32PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

But thats just not true ,

takes out baton flicks it out it goes no where near anyone

first strike is high and ineffective

second strike properly makes contact

calling black white doesn't make it so

your either a liar or a fool

mynamejeff, if you're going to insult me, at least use proper grammar and spell check yourself.

High and ineffective. Are you an expert in extendable baton swinging now?

johann johannson · 16-11-2015 04:35PM

Danger Fourpence wrote: »

Watch it again I'd say...

Ah, here's the trolling and irony, all mixed into one. Gratz.

Someone who thinks scanning a video once makes them an expert on it, then tells someone else to watch the video.

:rolleyes:

Danger Fourpence · 16-11-2015 04:36PM

johann johannson wrote: »

mynamejeff, if you're going to insult me, at least use proper grammar and spell check yourself.

High and ineffective. Are you an expert in extendable baton swinging now?

It's difficult to tell exactly what is going on in the video as you so expertly demonstrated when not being able to count how many times the baton was swung yourself. Given that this figure is up for debate, even inside your own head, isn't it feasible that you're not an expert in extendable baton swinging yourself?

Danger Fourpence · 16-11-2015 04:38PM

johann johannson wrote: »

Ah, here's the trolling and irony, all mixed into one. Gratz.

Someone who thinks scanning a video once makes them an expert on it, then tells someone else to watch the video. :rolleyes:

Just because someone has a different opinion to you (and you've had a few different opinions to your own good self in the thread) it doesn't make them a troll.

The suggestion to me earlier was that if I couldn't see something, keep watching it until I could.

I would suggest if you can't see the man holding onto the Garda repeatedly then you should watch it again.

johann johannson · 16-11-2015 04:40PM

Danger Fourpence wrote: »

It's difficult to tell exactly what is going on in the video as you so expertly demonstrated when not being able to count how many times the baton was swung yourself. Given that this figure is up for debate, even inside your own head, isn't it feasible that you're not an expert in extendable baton swinging yourself?

I never claimed to be. You're the one who demonstrated a knowledge of extendable garda batons.

I re-watched the video, which on my count is at least twice as many times as you have, and I admitted my mistake. Bit late to call me on something I've already called myself on and been called on. But I applaud the effort at obvious trolling.

johann johannson · 16-11-2015 04:41PM

Danger Fourpence wrote: »

Just because someone has a different opinion to you (and you've had a few different opinions to your own good self in the thread) it doesn't make them a troll.

The suggestion to me earlier was that if I couldn't see something, keep watching it until I could.

I would suggest if you can't see the man holding onto the Garda repeatedly then you should watch it again.

Repeatedly. That's the key word here. As pointed out by other members, the only time holding was initiated was when there was pushing and shoving, by the Garda. I haven't disputed this fact have I?

NachoBusiness · 16-11-2015 04:46PM

Danger Fourpence wrote: »

Watch it again I'd say...

Here you go again making a claims you can't back up.

He never touched the Garda's arm when talking to him. He stood with his arms at his side whilst speaking with the Garda. The Garda then pushes him with his arm resulting in the girl beside him falling backwards and the man nearly joining her. Only thing preventing that was the fact that he instinctively interlocked his arm with the Garda's.

Now, I've backed up what I have had to say. Can you? Can you back up your claims that he was holding onto the Garda whist talking to him?

mynamejeff · 16-11-2015 04:46PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

The man never touched the Garda's arm whilst speaking with him.

Stop posting lies.

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Open Your Eyes!

picture 6 7 8 and 9 clearly show him touching the garda or cant you see that ?

your own work nacho surely you cant deny that

Danger Fourpence · 16-11-2015 04:46PM

johann johannson wrote: »

I never claimed to be. You're the one who demonstrated a knowledge of extendable garda batons.

I re-watched the video, which on my count is at least twice as many times as you have, and I admitted my mistake. Bit late to call me on something I've already called myself on and been called on. But I applaud the effort at obvious trolling.

I'm not calling you on anything, just suggesting that you might remember that it's possible for your opinion to be changed in a matter of posts.

I'm not an expert on Garda batons but I do have a good idea about how extendable objects extend.

I also took the time to rewatch the video and nothing changed for me other than I took more notice of the guy that was clinging to the Garda. On the one hand I'm being told he's only clinging to him to talk to him. On the other he's only clinging to him after he gets pushed. I can see for myself that the Garda pushes the guy away so that he stops clinging on to him. That's irrefutable in my eyes.

Anyway, I hope the guy makes a full recovery and fares better at the next peaceful protest where Gardai are called in to arrest people for alleged assauld and get jostled about while trying to do their job.

NachoBusiness · 16-11-2015 04:47PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

picture 6 7 8 and 9 clearly show him touching the garda or cant you see that ?

your own work nacho surely you cant deny that

That's after the man was pushed. Do keep up. Again, like I said (and you quoted):

NachoBusiness wrote: »

The man never touched the Garda's arm whilst speaking with him.

mynamejeff · 16-11-2015 04:50PM

johann johannson wrote: »

mynamejeff, if you're going to insult me, at least use proper grammar and spell check yourself.

High and ineffective. Are you an expert in extendable baton swinging now?

well its hard to kep up with the changes in this thread you know.

lad with baseball cap is a garda the bald lad is a garda (except they arent they are protesters and can been seen in previous vids )

you "dad" was 70 and was hit three times ( now he is 50 something and hit twice )

come on give it up lad , hard to believe anything you say considering your inability to count

Yodeling Snake · 16-11-2015 04:50PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Here you go again making a claims you can't back up.

He never touched the Garda's arm when talking to him. He stood with his arms at his side whilst speaking with the Garda. The Garda then pushes him with his arm resulting in the girl beside him falling backwards and the man nearly joining her. Only thing preventing that was the fact that he instinctively interlocked his arm with the Garda's.

Now, I've backed up what I have had to say. Can you? Can you back up your claims that he was holding onto the Garda whist talking to him?

That's wrapped it up. Thread over.

johann johannson · 16-11-2015 05:12PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

well its hard to kep up with the changes in this thread you know.

lad with baseball cap is a garda the bald lad is a garda (except they arent they are protesters and can been seen in previous vids )

you "dad" was 70 and was hit three times ( now he is 50 something and hit twice )

come on give it up lad , hard to believe anything you say considering your inability to count

When did I claim he was 70? Quote me please.

I initially said twice, and recently, having watched the video closely and intensely, I changed that to 3 times.

lad with baseball cap is a garda the bald lad is a garda (except they arent they are protesters and can been seen in previous vids )

When did I say any of this?

If you're going to quote me, well try to, at least have valid references where I actually quoted something.

The difference here mynameJeff is, that anything I have said, I at least tried to back it up. You however, have done nothing of the sort. If anything, I demonstrated a willingness to change opinion. You on the other hand, appear unable to change from your initial opinion upon viewing the video.

And, you have seen what I posted on Facebook, you obviously know who I am, have a look at my pictures and verify for myself if he is my 'dad'. But then again, I doubt you believe that, you appear to have trouble seeing what is right in front of you.

come on give it up lad

Little CuChulainn · 16-11-2015 05:32PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

I am not saying that the man is not still there. What I am saying is that he is being led away by two other Gardai at the moment he was attacked with the baton. The elderly man had been interfering with the arrest when he was kneeling on the ground, I don't dispute that, but he was not interfering with an arrest when he was merely speaking with the Garda / attempting to regain his balance after having being pushed. In the screenshots I already provided earlier you can clearly see the arrested man being led away by the Garda in the baseball cap. See the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th screencaps for proof of that. Which again is contrary to statements you have made such as:

But he is not finished interfering, he is still trying to push forward towards the arrested person.

johann johannson wrote: »

And this is the whole issue at these protests? The main point of this protest was to block NAMA, not block the gardai from doing their job.

I also may point out, as clearly seen in the video, before Little CuChulainn quotes me on it and declares it gospel, the protestors were sitting down when the elderly man with parkinson's disease was set upon, by gardai.

The only issues to arise from this are (That I can see, again, before Little CuChulainn quotes me on it and declares it gospel):
- An arrest for resisting arrest, which is ironic. 'What were you arrested for?' 'Resisting arrest.'
- A elderly man, with parkinson's disease, who was knocked to the ground, by gardai, you can clearly see his dangerous weapon ( a walking stick) exposed as they tried to forcefully remove it from him.
- A not-so-elderly man ( because 58 is not old, as many you have said, despite his medical condition), a 58 year old, struck 3 times by a garda, for attempting to regain his balance when shoved repeatedly into another person, a woman I may add, by the very same Garda who pushed him. Would it be fair to compare this woman to a 'professional footballer' too?

It's funny how these issues here involve gardai, huh? I'm curious Little CuChulainn to get your thoughts on these incidents, that you seem to accept as normal behaviour by your colleagues. Or is it perfectly acceptable to lash out at someone because you don't like what they say? 'Hulk smash' is not an acceptable response to a query or when someone attempts to talk to you. Or at you, as you quote. Or down to you, as you seem fond of yourself..

You keep indicating I'm making a mistake by quoting what you claim as gospel. Should I just assume everything you say is bull**** so? You cam on here spouting about how you know exactly what happened now you are criticising me for taking you at your word. What kind of ****ed up reasoning is that?

johann johannson wrote: »

To say the Gardai were outnumbered is bullsh*t also. The protesters were there well before the gardai arrived. The entire meeting had been disbanded well before the gardai had arrived. The gardai knew exactly how many were there. And, as you quote that this is typical behaviour of 'mob protesters', then why didn't the gardai have the same view as you and arrive up in greater numbers?

So saying the Gardaí were outnumbered is not bull**** because it is actually the case. Let me ask you this, how many Gardaí do you think are operational in that county at any one time? I can tell that the protesters would still outnumber them if every car was called. And that's putting aside your nonsense logic that the Gardaí are at fault for not having enough members to intimidate the other side into not being violent.

Garda hits man with baton NAMA

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