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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #4292
    Orangebrigade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Orangebrigade


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    'Christians' do it with helicopters, drones, coups, dictator stooges, cruise missiles, invasions based on lies etc etc. Hundreds of thousands of dead Muslims since the start of disastrous 'War on Terror'.
    Rubbish and typical from the apologists of this ideology and why they have been allowed to advance so far into Europe now.


  • #4293
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    Deary me...

    Political lunatics v lunatics. America does NOT have an army of them who follow a religion based on Jihad.

    They have a broad army based on the word of the 2nd amendment which consists mainly of ordinary people (rather than lunatics) from drug gangs to small children. I know which kills more people every year - every week in fact.


  • #4294
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Buddhists attacking Muslims in Myanmar.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2014/04/18/april-18-2014-atrocities-in-myanmar/22768/

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306

    LMAO, the so called "Rohingya" are Bangladeshi muslims who fled Bangladesh and are trying to carve out their own islamic ethno state in Burma, utterly shocking that the Burmese dont want this. They belong in Bangladesh, as far as Im concerned the Burmese have a right to their own land, and if they feel the need to use force to retake their own territory they have that right. Colonisation is never right.


  • #4295
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    Qaddafi wrote: »
    Listening to mainstream media's commentary on these terrorist attacks is just inane.

    "These senseless attacks..." "Why do they do this?" etc. etc.

    It's not unclear why they do this bullshyt and they openly say it

    Syria has been destroyed by the West. Iraq, too. The West supported elements that morphed into ISIS and created the conditions for it to prosper. You won't live in peace when destroying entire societies... there will be blowback. Chaos travels.
    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Assad did not destroy Syria he preserved it from western aggression. It is the wests so called allies that are arming the terrorists.

    More of this 'Im a bad bad Westerner' spiel - if you want to go take all the blame for the collapse of Syria onto your own shoulders, by all means do so, please don't drag me and the rest of the West into your BDSM play please.


  • #4296
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    They have a broad army based on the word of the 2nd amendment which consists mainly of ordinary people (rather than lunatics) from drug gangs to small children. I know which kills more people every year - every week in fact.

    What are you talking about exactly.


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  • #4297
    Orangebrigade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Orangebrigade


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    They have a broad army based on the word of the 2nd amendment which consists mainly of ordinary people (rather than lunatics) from drug gangs to small children. I know which kills more people every year - every week in fact.
    :rolleyes:

    Not sure if serious to be honest.


  • #4298
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    Rubbish

    Fact.
    apologists of this ideology

    Where? I don't think there is one post in the whole thread trying to justify the attacks in Paris except the ones you've imagined in your little head.


  • #4299
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    LMAO, the so called "Rohingya" are Bangladeshi muslims who fled Bangladesh and are trying to carve out their own islamic ethno state in Burma, utterly shocking that the Burmese dont want this. They belong in Bangladesh, as far as Im concerned the Burmese have a right to their own land, and if they feel the need to use force to retake their own territory they have that right. Colonisation is never right.

    I don't know much about that but it seems like Buddhist Aggression is something you'd have to google.


  • #4300
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Superhorse wrote: »
    I agree but it won't be easy. The liberal leftie tree huggers in the media have the majority brainwashed. I fear it will take something like what happened on Friday night in France here in Ireland to turn the tide and wake people up. I despair at times for the country.

    Indeed. 4 Irish citizens have died at the hands of Islamic terrorism this year.

    Yet I don't think it has really sunk in here, especially among our political class.

    Can anyone point to a single politician that seeks to address what's going on in any meaningful way beyond token platitudes and sympathies towards victims?

    Where are the political class actually evaluating immigration "policies" (inverted commas given their is no policy worth speaking of).


  • #4301
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    More of this 'Im a bad bad Westerner' spiel - if you want to go take all the blame for the collapse of Syria onto your own shoulders, by all means do so, please don't drag me and the rest of the West into your BDSM play please.

    Incase you hadn't known NATO does not speak for the west. Oh wait I suppose they do! Then not me. Actions committed against Syria and other Arab Republics are shambolic, they are treated as pariahs despite being hundred times more enlightened then Saudi Arabia.


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  • #4302
    Orangebrigade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Orangebrigade


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Fact.



    Where? I don't think there is one post in the whole thread trying to justify the attacks in Paris except the ones you've imagined in your little head.
    Some can't see the wood from the trees and you are one of them.


  • #4303
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    Deary me...

    Political lunatics v lunatics. America does NOT have an army of them who follow a religion based on Jihad.

    Given that 'Jihad' is an Arabic term what other religion would use it? But if you broaden it out to 'Holy War' than consider The Army of God - a Christian terrorist group who carried out several bombings in the U.S. mainly against abortion clinics but have also targeted lesbian bars.

    While they may not consider their activities as a 'jihad' they probably do consider them to be a part of a Holy War given this statement
    We the undersigned, declare the justice of taking all Godly action necessary, including the use of force, to defend innocent human life (born and unborn). We proclaim that whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child.


  • #4304
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    LMAO, the so called "Rohingya" are Bangladeshi muslims who fled Bangladesh and are trying to carve out their own islamic ethno state in Burma, utterly shocking that the Burmese dont want this. They belong in Bangladesh, as far as Im concerned the Burmese have a right to their own land, and if they feel the need to use force to retake their own territory they have that right. Colonisation is never right.

    Fact remains that Buddhists are murdering Muslims -

    Nice that you think that's worth a LMAO and justify it with a bit of victim blaming.

    Stay classy.


  • #4305
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Not sure if serious to be honest.

    I'm serious about the relative threat if you are an American, someone was banging on about how safe they are from Jihadists. Whoopee. 13000 people were shot dead by firearms in 2013.

    IS ect are bad, but they are in the hap'penny place in the scheme of things. Sometimes it's like we're confusing them with Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.


  • #4306
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Filmer Paradise wrote: »
    Interesting article. Maybe some of our leaders in the west should have a gander at it too.
    Unlikely FP, not in the current climate of post modern moral and cultural equivalence, "all cultures are transient, to be updated like our phones and who's to say ours is better" stuff prevalent in Europe, at least within the current power structures and public thought. The plain fact is that the European culture or at least its aims are worth defending and should not be transient and we need to drop the bullshít and wake up to that and pronto. Japan are not the only example of attempts and successes at keeping cultures going. Rome lasted many centuries and the idea of what is was to be "Roman" remained remarkably intact. China another example. When the Mongols took the place they became "Chinese" damn near overnight. Hell, Islam itself operated an empire for a thousand years and its inbuilt defence mechanisms were very strong(starting with the religion, that was built from the get go to ward of the very thoughts of reformation and any following enlightenment and questioning). None of those examples brooked much in the way of external or especially internal naysayers against the concept of unity and culture.

    Oh and this is most certainly not coming from some notion of European moral supremacy. Quite the opposite in fact. About the single most dangerous human to the "other" the "different" the "enemy" in all of history is pale of skin and European. Attacks like these that bring this guff home and into the European suburban everyday mind have the real danger of rousing that crap again and no matter how barbaric ISIS or anyone else is they're rank bloody amateurs by comparison. While Europeans are rightfully scared of some 21st century jihad, the Middle East should be a helluva lot more scared of a full on 21st century crusade. And with the slow background level of more "right wing" support and general feelings going on*, they should be. And so should we.




    *put it another way, imagine this thread had no moderation...

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #4307
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Incase you hadn't known NATO does not speak for the west. Oh wait I suppose they do! Then not me. Actions committed against Syria and other Arab Republics are shambolic, they are treated as pariahs despite being hundred times more enlightened then Saudi Arabia.

    Whine about NATO if you want to whine about NATO, whine about the US if you want to whine about the US, just don't go dragging all of us into your self hate adventure.


  • #4308
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Mirage jets rocking Raqqa tonight


  • #4309
    Orangebrigade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Orangebrigade


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Fact remains that Buddhists are murdering Muslims -

    Nice that you think that's worth a LMAO and justify it with a bit of victim blaming.

    Stay classy.
    Are you comparing Buddhist violence with Islamic violence in 2015?


  • #4310
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    I don't know much about that but it seems like Buddhist Aggression is something you'd have to google.
    I know the Burmese have a right to self determination and their own land. so my sympathies lie with them in their endeavours to make that a reality, as it does with any indigenous people trying to consolidate a peaceful state for themselves, free from outside fifth columnists and colonisers.


  • #4311
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    Are you comparing Buddhist violence with Islamic violence in 2015?

    No.

    I am showing that not only Muslims are carrying out sectarian atrocities.


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  • #4312
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    Some can't see the wood from the trees and you are one of them.

    Is that the best response you can come up with Orangeboy? Denial of facts in favour of a useless idiom.


  • #4313
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Fact remains that Buddhists are murdering Muslims -

    Nice that you think that's worth a LMAO and justify it with a bit of victim blaming.

    Stay classy.

    Burmese are fighting against Bangladeshis trying to carve out a state for themselves on Burmese territory, like Albanians did in Serbia with Kosovo for example. the Bangladeshis, or "muslims" are colonisers, the Burmese should force them back over the border where they belong. And yes, they deserve a LMAO, I shed no tears for invaders


  • #4314
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Ive enjoyed reading this thread. Especially the bollocks from ISIS supporters like the ending road, the banana, the colonel, leavingirl, noddy etc. You can always rely on them to pop up on these threads and spout their usual ****e about how Israel, the US, the West, the Catholics, the Brits, the Nazis, the IRA etc are really to blame.

    What I find interesting is the amount of these posters who were very much Yes supporters in the recent Irish referendum are supporting/justifying a group of people who would want that result overturned and every gay person killed.

    By any chance, are you from the state of texas in america?


  • #4315
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    No.

    I am showing that not only Muslims are carrying out sectarian atrocities.

    There's plenty in ireland capable of this in the not distant past


  • #4316
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Ive enjoyed reading this thread. Especially the bollocks from ISIS supporters like the ending road, the banana, the colonel, leavingirl, noddy etc. You can always rely on them to pop up on these threads and spout their usual ****e about how Israel, the US, the West, the Catholics, the Brits, the Nazis, the IRA etc are really to blame.

    What I find interesting is the amount of these posters who were very much Yes supporters in the recent Irish referendum are supporting/justifying a group of people who would want that result overturned and every gay person killed.

    Care to provide proof that any of the people you have named support ISIS?

    That is a very serious charge you are making so I assume you can back it up.


  • #4317
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Burmese are fighting against Bangladeshis trying to carve out a state for themselves on Burmese territory, like Albanians did in Serbia with Kosovo for example. the Bangladeshis, or "muslims" are colonisers, the Burmese should force them back over the border where they belong.

    Dude.

    You laughed.

    People were murdered and you posted LMAO and then justified an atrocity.

    That's just sick.


  • #4318
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Care to provide proof that any of the people you have named support ISIS?

    That is a very serious charge you are making so I assume you can back it up.

    Why are you asking if you assume it ? You dont need proof.


  • #4319
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Why are you asking if you assume it ? You dont need proof.

    Sorry - I don't think you made a serious allegation that posters on this thread are supporters of a terrorist organisation so why are you jumping in here?


  • #4320
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    Whine about NATO if you want to whine about NATO, whine about the US if you want to whine about the US, just don't go dragging all of us into your self hate adventure.

    This is not whinging or anything the like we are supposed to have a policy of neutrality and not signing up to NATO adventurism but in this new era of global terrorism Nations have to cooperate and that means the correct policies have to be put in place not another cul de sac war from the old cold war powers. The Iraq war was a failure the world does not need another failed war or a series of failing policies when dealing with this threat.


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  • #4321
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    By any chance, are you from the state of texas in america?

    Probably from the state of 'Denial'.


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