Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Bannasidhe · 15-11-2015 10:58PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I do, France is equipped with Nuclear weapons, they should launch a tactical Nuclear strike on Raqqah and wipe Islamic State off the map, one Nuclear missile would turn the whole city to glass and disembowel Islamic State in one clean sweep, leaving it leaderless and unable to function, it would also lay down a powerful warning to other Islamic terrorists and Terrorist friendly countries like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Indonesia what they too could expect if they decide to go to war with the West.

You want this to go nuclear?

Are you serious?

Has the possibility of retaliation crossed your mind at all?

Paris would be a city of twisted steel and rubble.

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-11-2015 10:58PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I do, France is equipped with Nuclear weapons, they should launch a tactical Nuclear strike on Raqqah and wipe Islamic State off the map, one Nuclear missile would turn the whole city to glass and disembowel Islamic State in one clean sweep, leaving it leaderless and unable to function, it would also lay down a powerful warning to other Islamic terrorists and Terrorist friendly countries like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Indonesia what they too could expect if they decide to go to war with the West.

You are going to get lashed out it for saying that but It may have to come to that someday

Don't think most people know what the West has gotten itself into

P_1 · 15-11-2015 10:58PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I do, France is equipped with Nuclear weapons, they should launch a tactical Nuclear strike on Raqqah and wipe Islamic State off the map, one Nuclear missile would turn the whole city to glass and disembowel Islamic State in one clean sweep, leaving it leaderless and unable to function, it would also lay down a powerful warning to other Islamic terrorists and Terrorist friendly countries like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Indonesia what they too could expect if they decide to go to war with the West.

Jaysus all I can say is thank fook you are not in charge of any military.

Nuking Raqqah would frankly be a waste of a nuke. All it will do is kill thousands who's only crime was that their city was taken over by murdering scum. It would have a minimal effect on the military capabilities of IS.

Now taking out their oil fields on the other hand...

Mountainsandh · 15-11-2015 10:59PM

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

So whats your idea so that an incident that makes Paris pale in signifance doesn't happen?

I've yet to hear anyone promoting a non violent solution to the problem explain how you resolve the issue of ISIL given the fact they have zero will to talk and just want to bring death. Never mind the fact that they lack the organisational coherence.

+1
I hate the thought of the violent option, but haven't seen any proposals on what else could be done at this point.

Bannasidhe · 15-11-2015 10:59PM

Isaiah wrote: »

There are no Irish Getthos. You cannot have an Irish Ghetto in england just as much as you cannot have an English Gettho in Dublin. They are European towns in European Cities.

Thought you weren't talking to me.

I could link the evidence to show that yes, there were Irish ghettos but you don't read links so I shan't bother.

Superhorse · 15-11-2015 11:00PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I do, France is equipped with Nuclear weapons, they should launch a tactical Nuclear strike on Raqqah and wipe Islamic State off the map, one Nuclear missile would turn the whole city to glass and disembowel Islamic State in one clean sweep, leaving it leaderless and unable to function, it would also lay down a powerful warning to other Islamic terrorists and Terrorist friendly countries like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Indonesia what they too could expect if they decide to go to war with the West.

Hi Donald.

KingBrian2 · 15-11-2015 11:00PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I do, France is equipped with Nuclear weapons, they should launch a tactical Nuclear strike on Raqqah and wipe Islamic State off the map, one Nuclear missile would turn the whole city to glass and disembowel Islamic State in one clean sweep, leaving it leaderless and unable to function, it would also lay down a powerful warning to other Islamic terrorists and Terrorist friendly countries like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Indonesia what they too could expect if they decide to go to war with the West.

I'm guessing your not one of Jeremy Corbyn's biggest fans.:rolleyes:

Fred Swanson · 15-11-2015 11:00PM

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Severard · 15-11-2015 11:01PM

What have European leaders learned since the attacks in January? It seems to be very little if anything. While at the beginning of the year we had the hashtag of #JeSuisCharlie and the pencil now in November we have #Solidarite and candles. Meanwhile the Jihadists have shotguns, Glocks, AK47s, grenades, TNT, body-armour, suicide vests, idiotic European leaders and an open border policy (which they said they were going to exploit). Sure what could go wrong?

Thankfully it only appears to be major European leaders that are unwilling to actually do something constructive about the problem of mass immigration. Poland's newly elected government will not take any immigrants [1]. In Sweden of the 8 parties, 7 support the continuing trend of uncontrolled immigration, with only one against. That party is the Sweden Democrats and they are now fortunately the most popular in the country [2]. With 74% of French people stating that "Islam “is not compatible with French society” [3] and over 360,000 people in the U.K. wanting the government to close its borders [4] maybe just maybe this situation might be resolved.

Immigration is a good thing, when it is controlled, yet having so many come in with no process to assess who is who and an open border policy is doomed to fail and another incident like the one that happened in Paris is inevitable.

Lastly there are certainly people who hate Muslims & the events in Paris won't help at all yet it is sad when some conflate the concerns ordinary people have with terrorism, Jihadists & open borders with racism. This does nothing to solve the issue & only makes the ones that are making the claim of racism look idiotic & only lessens any argument that they try to make.

[1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-14/poland-to-shun-refugees-after-paris-attack-future-minister-says

[2] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11814498/Anti-immigrant-Sweden-Democrats-now-the-biggest-party-according-to-poll.html

[3] http://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-immigration-and-islam-europes-crisis-of-faith-1421450060

[4] https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516

kleefarr · 15-11-2015 11:04PM

Hope they post the vids of the French attacks on ISIS.

MightyMandarin · 15-11-2015 11:06PM

kleefarr wrote: »

Hope they post the vids of the French attacks on ISIS.

Why? So you can feed your bloodlust?

I couldn't give a ****e how the airstrikes looked, the same way I don't give a ****e about videos of friday night.

KingBrian2 · 15-11-2015 11:08PM

Severard wrote: »

What have European leaders learned since the attacks in January? It seems to be very little if anything. While at the beginning of the year we had the hashtag of #JeSuisCharlie and the pencil now in November we have #Solidarite and candles. Meanwhile the Jihadists have shotguns, Glocks, AK47s, grenades, TNT, body-armour, suicide vests, idiotic European leaders and an open border policy (which they said they were going to exploit). Sure what could go wrong?

Thankfully it only appears to be major European leaders that are unwilling to actually do something constructive about the problem of mass immigration. Poland's newly elected government will not take any immigrants [1]. In Sweden of the 8 parties, 7 support the continuing trend of uncontrolled immigration, with only one against. That party is the Sweden Democrats and they are now fortunately the most popular in the country [2]. With 74% of French people stating that "Islam “is not compatible with French society” [3] and over 360,000 people in the U.K. wanting the government to close its borders [4] maybe just maybe this situation might be resolved.

Immigration is a good thing, when it is controlled, yet having so many come in with no process to assess who is who and an open border policy is doomed to fail and another incident like the one that happened in Paris is inevitable.

Lastly there are certainly people who hate Muslims & the events in Paris won't help at all yet it is sad when some conflate the concerns ordinary people have with terrorism, Jihadists & open borders with racism. This does nothing to solve the issue & only makes the ones that are making the claim of racism look idiotic & only lessens any argument that they try to make.

[1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-14/poland-to-shun-refugees-after-paris-attack-future-minister-says

[2] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11814498/Anti-immigrant-Sweden-Democrats-now-the-biggest-party-according-to-poll.html

[3] http://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-immigration-and-islam-europes-crisis-of-faith-1421450060

[4] https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516

There is no free travel between Syria and the rest of Continental Europe yet they are somehow finding themselves all the way in central Paris. Airlines already have huge security and vetting measures in place. The problem is internal. Muslims organised to fight either in Syria or Iraq or in mainland Europe.

Wurzelbert · 15-11-2015 11:10PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Ok.

It went something like this:

One particular poster was getting very worked up about the age of Muhammad's wife - mentioned it in several posts.

I pointed out that old goats (and yes, that is what I called him) frequently married young girls and, by way of example, it was the norm for the Byzantine emperors.
What can I say - I'm a historian - looking at things in their historical context is part of my training and professionally I would be hammered if I didn't so you could say I went to my default setting.

The come back was that some Muslims still do it - I pointed out that so do some Christians and in fact the highest proportion of child bride marriages is among Hindus in India.

This is not a justification of some Muslims marrying young girls it it pointing out that they do not have a monopoly on being dirty old men.

okay, fair enough, the “so do some christians” argument just seemed a little weak, considering the mormons are really just a weird fringe group in christianity and their “spiritual marriage” does, according to your link, not even involve sex, whereas little girls are routinely exposed to ordeals no child should have to go through in many muslim countries with the full backing of islam…and if mentioning that is “bashing islam”, then so be it and i am bashing islam…

Bannasidhe · 15-11-2015 11:10PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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How do you know they don't?
Enough money can buy anything.

Thing about ISIS is they seem to like threaten then carry out that threat..

Islamic State has claimed it is 'infinitely' closer to buying a nuclear bomb from Pakistan and smuggling it into the US.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093244/ISIS-claims-infinitely-closer-buying-nuclear-weapon-Pakistan-smuggling-US.html

How do you think wealthy nations in the Middle East will feel about a nuke being dropped by Europeans?

Bannasidhe · 15-11-2015 11:13PM

Wurzelbert wrote: »

okay, fair enough, the “so do some christians” argument just seemed a little weak, considering the mormons are really just weird fringe group in christianity and their “spiritual marriage” does, according to your link, not even involve sex, whereas little girls are routinely exposed to ordeals no child should have to go through in many muslim countries with the full backing of islam…and if mentioning that is “bashing islam”, then so be it and i am bashing islam…

Bash away but bash all the other old goats too.

Don't forget - little girls and boys had to endure ordeals no child should in non-Muslim countries too - like Ireland. By the clergy.

Context see.

Bash all the dirty old goats equally.

gandalf · 15-11-2015 11:15PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

How do you know they don't?
Enough money can buy anything.

Thing about ISIS is they seem to like threaten then carry out that threat..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093244/ISIS-claims-infinitely-closer-buying-nuclear-weapon-Pakistan-smuggling-US.html

How do you think wealthy nations in the Middle East will feel about a nuke being dropped by Europeans?

That would be really "clever". Use a nuke against the only nation on earth that has used Nukes in a war scenario.

kleefarr · 15-11-2015 11:16PM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Why? So you can feed your bloodlust?

Yep. I want to see them get it!

Stinicker · 15-11-2015 11:18PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

How do you know they don't?
Enough money can buy anything.

Thing about ISIS is they seem to like threaten then carry out that threat..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093244/ISIS-claims-infinitely-closer-buying-nuclear-weapon-Pakistan-smuggling-US.html

How do you think wealthy nations in the Middle East will feel about a nuke being dropped by Europeans?

Islamic State are only a terrorist organisation, Wealthy nations in the Middle East are the real enemy and the airstrikes tonight should be on Doha, Riyadh and Mecca, the main drivers of Islamic hatred across the world with their brand of stone age Wahhabi hate.

You have to hand it to the Americans they at least do security a hell of a lot better than the Europeans; I can't see Islamic State pulling off anything over there, unless they manage to float across enmasse across the Atlantic into North America like they are currently doing with the invasion of Greece.

FalconGirl · 15-11-2015 11:19PM

Severard wrote: »

What have European leaders learned since the attacks in January? It seems to be very little if anything. While at the beginning of the year we had the hashtag of #JeSuisCharlie and the pencil now in November we have #Solidarite and candles. Meanwhile the Jihadists have shotguns, Glocks, AK47s, grenades, TNT, body-armour, suicide vests, idiotic European leaders and an open border policy (which they said they were going to exploit). Sure what could go wrong?

Thankfully it only appears to be major European leaders that are unwilling to actually do something constructive about the problem of mass immigration. Poland's newly elected government will not take any immigrants [1]. In Sweden of the 8 parties, 7 support the continuing trend of uncontrolled immigration, with only one against. That party is the Sweden Democrats and they are now fortunately the most popular in the country [2]. With 74% of French people stating that "Islam “is not compatible with French society” [3] and over 360,000 people in the U.K. wanting the government to close its borders [4] maybe just maybe this situation might be resolved.

Immigration is a good thing, when it is controlled, yet having so many come in with no process to assess who is who and an open border policy is doomed to fail and another incident like the one that happened in Paris is inevitable.

Lastly there are certainly people who hate Muslims & the events in Paris won't help at all yet it is sad when some conflate the concerns ordinary people have with terrorism, Jihadists & open borders with racism. This does nothing to solve the issue & only makes the ones that are making the claim of racism look idiotic & only lessens any argument that they try to make.

[1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-14/poland-to-shun-refugees-after-paris-attack-future-minister-says

[2] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11814498/Anti-immigrant-Sweden-Democrats-now-the-biggest-party-according-to-poll.html

[3] http://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-immigration-and-islam-europes-crisis-of-faith-1421450060

[4] https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516

They switched all their attention to the Greek debt crisis. More than ever I am not sure that key European leaders are working in the bests interests of the European people. Finance/banking seems to be their main priority.

Bannasidhe · 15-11-2015 11:19PM

gandalf wrote: »

That would be really "clever". Use a nuke against the only nation on earth that has used Nukes in a war scenario.

Terror is the name of their game and a 'credible' nuclear threat against the U.S. will definitely cause terror.

The more of their threats that ISIS carry through the more credible the treat becomes.

Packrat · 15-11-2015 11:22PM

There is a serious lack of understanding of who isis are and what they want extant not only in the media in general but in 99% of discussion about them.
This is a long read, - but the best I've seen by a mile. Enjoy.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/&ved=0CCIQFjACahUKEwjum_6Wu5PJAhXDgQ8KHbimC7U&usg=AFQjCNEuvYF79YFF28HAEJ_fnr-W-GHnXQ&sig2=iJC7NMO_VoPutQs7yiRTPA

Fred Swanson · 15-11-2015 11:24PM

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Bannasidhe · 15-11-2015 11:24PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Islamic State are only a terrorist organisation, Wealthy nations in the Middle East are the real enemy and the airstrikes tonight should be on Doha, Riyadh and Mecca, the main drivers of Islamic hatred across the world with their brand of stone age Wahhabi hate.

You have to hand it to the Americans they at least do security a hell of a lot better than the Europeans; I can't see Islamic State pulling off anything over there, unless they manage to float across enmasse across the Atlantic into North America like they are currently doing with the invasion of Greece.

Sure - bomb Mecca and wait and see what the Saudi's will do with all the weapons the West sold them.

Bye Bye the Vatican perhaps.

US security can't seem to prevent high school students going on killing rampages or police officers from shooting innocent people but you expect them to be able to stop determined trained suicide bombers?

Do you think IS don't already have people in the U.S?

Really?

Bannasidhe · 15-11-2015 11:25PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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And then we will all be fcuked but sure what the hell eh!

HOOOOOOOOO YA!

nxbyveromdwjpg · 15-11-2015 11:25PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Islamic State has claimed it is 'infinitely' closer to buying a nuclear bomb from Pakistan and smuggling it into the US.

They say a lot of things.

Although IS might be crazy enough to try it, surely Pakistan aren't stupid enough to enable them. They'd be flattened by the yanks overnight.

15-11-2015 11:27PM

Isaiah wrote: »

There are no Irish Getthos. You cannot have an Irish Ghetto in england just as much as you cannot have an English Gettho in Dublin. They are European towns in European Cities.

Ever been to Kilburn?

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-11-2015 11:28PM

FalconGirl wrote: »

They switched all their attention to the Greek debt crisis. More than ever I am not sure that key European leaders are working in the bests interests of the European people. Finance/banking seems to be their main priority.

Maybe they are too focused on trying to prop up the tinfoil hat industry ? They all probably have undeclared shares in it. And are taking backhanders from it. Their election campaigns are funded by it as well.

That and the tablet industry.

opiniated · 15-11-2015 11:28PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Islamic State are only a terrorist organisation, Wealthy nations in the Middle East are the real enemy and the airstrikes tonight should be on Doha, Riyadh and Mecca, the main drivers of Islamic hatred across the world with their brand of stone age Wahhabi hate.

You have to hand it to the Americans they at least do security a hell of a lot better than the Europeans; I can't see Islamic State pulling off anything over there, unless they manage to float across enmasse across the Atlantic into North America like they are currently doing with the invasion of Greece.

Eh, 9/11?

If Bin Laden could do it, who's to say IS couldn't?

Bannasidhe · 15-11-2015 11:29PM

Carlee Tart Wedding wrote: »

They say a lot of things.

Although IS might be crazy enough to try it, surely Pakistan aren't stupid enough to enable them. They'd be flattened by the yanks overnight.

We can but hope....

But drop a Nuke on Syria and I have no doubt IS would get their hands on a nuke from somewhere.

Over the past five years the FBI, working in conjunction with local authorities in Moldova, have interrupted four attempts made by nuclear smugglers to sell radioactive materials to Middle Eastern extremists, including ISIS. According to the AP, "the latest known case came in February this year, when a smuggler offered a huge cache of deadly cesium -- enough to contaminate several city blocks -- and specifically sought a buyer from the Islamic State group."

ISIS has already shown its willingness to use chemical weapons against civilian targets, so there should be no question that if given the means and opportunity, they would do the same with nuclear or radiological weapons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-cirincione/the-risk-of-a-nuclear-isi_b_8259978.html

Del.Monte · 15-11-2015 11:29PM

kleefarr wrote: »

Hope they post the vids of the French attacks on ISIS.

Yeah, that would be great especially if there's lots of dismembered bodies and blood - just like Team Fortress or some other highly realistic computer game. :rolleyes:

Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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