Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Junkyard Tom · 15-11-2015 03:18AM

ihatemyfish wrote: »

The useful idiots were the ones calling for open borders

Nobody has called for open borders.

and sneering at those of us who correctly predicted terrorist attacks.

You deserved to be sneered at - you're always predicting doom-and-gloom. A broken clock is right twice a day.

questionmark? · 15-11-2015 03:24AM

ghostdancer wrote: »

apart from Syria which is a war-zone, none of those are daily occurrences.
outside of conflict-areas, attacks are incredibly rare, even in overwhelmingly Muslim areas.

Your right. Thank god(or something) for the work of groups like MI5/MI6 that prevent these pigs from killing innocent civilians.

Now let's not talk about the daily killings in South Sudan, Somalia, Chad, Syria, Iraq or others in the name of Islam and let's not mention the attacks in Canada, France, Lebanon, Tunisia, Australia, Egypt or Thailand over the past 12 months in case it gets in your way of saying that Islam is ok and attacks aren't frequent. It's a fairytale about some guy with a dodgy beard that promotes hatred of those that don't believe in the fairytale. Luckily our society has evolved to value life, in a few hundred years Islam as a whole not just some good ones might have as well.

Duggy747 · 15-11-2015 03:28AM

The moment they started firing on the crowd.

Isaiah · 15-11-2015 03:30AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

It all comes back to my earlier point of religion being given too much respect. The older I get the more I see religion as a serious obstacle to human freedom, reason and prosperity.

The Soviets taught this also. They were wrong.

Islam is the problem. Not Christianity, not Judaism, not Hindus, Buddhist or Sikh. Not the Mormons, or Jehovas witnesses, or the Shintoists or Wiccans. ISLAM

You realize that The actions of Christians throughout history lead to the world where you can read and write in a free Europe?

The bible gave us literacy and the new testament our ideas about equality.this is often ignored today by rabid liberals and pseudo socialists.

BlaasForRafa · 15-11-2015 03:32AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You deserved to be sneered at - you're always predicting doom-and-gloom. A broken clock is right twice a day.

given your posts it's quite ironic that you talk about "useful idiots" :rolleyes:

ihatemyfish · 15-11-2015 03:33AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Nobody has called for open borders.

You deserved to be sneered at - you're always predicting doom-and-gloom. A broken clock is right twice a day.

Anyone with a brain knew that it was only a matter of time before Daesh smuggled in some of their men through the migrant channels. It was not a bold prediction. The question is now how many of them got in and if our leaders do the necessary and firmly shut the borders before more get in.

The Diamond Sea · 15-11-2015 03:34AM

moneymad wrote: »

Many have moved. However, not everyone wants to move to Germany? What's Ireland's youth unemployment rate? Why haven't everyone of those people moved to Germany? Your argument is stupid.

most of the lazy pricks don't want to work

RedemptionZ · 15-11-2015 03:47AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Nobody has called for open borders.

You deserved to be sneered at - you're always predicting doom-and-gloom. A broken clock is right twice a day.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You deserved to be sneered at - you're always predicting doom-and-gloom. A broken clock is right twice a day.

God this a terrible attitude. I don't know how people can stick by this line of thought. I'm actually disgusted. You know damn well the mass immigration of Muslims into Europe is the cause of this attack. Go on and point your finger and imply racism on that poster. Bury your head in the sand.

Seeing as you'll probably imply it on me too, I'm not at all anti-Islam. I actually believe at its foundation it's a peaceful religion that like many religions has been interpreted by evil people for their own benefit and used to minipulate young impressionable men. But guess what, these young impressionable men that have been radicalised, there's 300 million of them. Of these 300 million there's a significant amount living in Europe. Now could Europeans have done better at integrating them into society? Probably. Is it soley their responsibility? **** no. It's a two way street and guess who made more of an effort?

You say that it's mindless guessing predicting the attacks, what do you think is likely to happen when radicalised Muslims enter to Europe as supposed refugees? "But but they're refugees they're the good guys fleeing the bad guys always that's the only possibility you're racist if you disagree". Even if these attacks were carried out by 2nd/3rd generation immigrants, do you honestly think the arrival of more radicalised immigrants isn't a bad thing? This is a jumbled up response I admit, but in summary:

Take your head out of the sand.

moneymad · 15-11-2015 03:51AM

ihatemyfish wrote: »

So is yours when you look up the proposed costs involved for Germany in hosting these "refugees". The German labour minister estimated that only 10% will enter the labour market within the first twelve months. The rest will require education, language classes, accommodation, welfare payments etc.

Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate - study
Germany has plenty of money so your argument isn't up to much.

BERLIN - If Germany does not take serious action, such as raising the retirement age, its current demographic course would devastate the country. That is the message from Federal Bureau of Statistics chief Roderich Egeler, as he recently released new population projections for the year 2060.

To illustrate the drastic changes that would have to happen to halt this process, the statisticians have created a number of different scenarios. According to their calculations, the country would require net migration of approximately 450,000 to 500,000 every year to keep the population at a constant level.

Any light bulb moments yet?

timthumbni · 15-11-2015 04:25AM

RedemptionZ wrote: »

God this a terrible attitude. I don't know how people can stick by this line of thought. I'm actually disgusted. You know damn well the mass immigration of Muslims into Europe is the cause of this attack. Go on and point your finger and imply racism on that poster. Bury your head in the sand.

Seeing as you'll probably imply it on me too, I'm not at all anti-Islam. I actually believe at its foundation it's a peaceful religion that like many religions has been interpreted by evil people for their own benefit and used to minipulate young impressionable men. But guess what, these young impressionable men that have been radicalised, there's 300 million of them. Of these 300 million there's a significant amount living in Europe. Now could Europeans have done better at integrating them into society? Probably. Is it soley their responsibility? **** no. It's a two way street and guess who made more of an effort?

You say that it's mindless guessing predicting the attacks, what do you think is likely to happen when radicalised Muslims enter to Europe as supposed refugees? "But but they're refugees they're the good guys fleeing the bad guys always that's the only possibility you're racist if you disagree". Even if these attacks were carried out by 2nd/3rd generation immigrants, do you honestly think the arrival of more radicalised immigrants isn't a bad thing? This is a jumbled up response I admit, but in summary:

Take your head out of the sand.

Listen. You are talking to a poster who is an unashamed supporter of the IRA. It's funny he now seems to be coming across all peace loving partridge family as he certainly isn't in other threads concerning the IRA. No doubt 30 years ago Isis and the IRA would have been twinned with one or the other teaching each other how best to blow up pubs.

The term useful idiot needs to be used more. I don't know what the solution is to the current clusterfeck but I think a closed border policy is certainly worth considering for the meantime anyway. I think our children may thank us.

XR3i · 15-11-2015 04:42AM

electric chair for merkel

Homer · 15-11-2015 04:46AM

Rubber_Soul wrote: »

You don't understand the concept of freedom of speech.

Oh you are very much mistaken there. I suggest you use a dictionary. Genuinely, use a dictionary and come back to me on that. You can read I take it?

Junkyard Tom · 15-11-2015 04:52AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Listen. You are talking to a poster who is an unashamed supporter of the IRA. It's funny he now seems to be coming across all peace loving partridge family as he certainly isn't in other threads concerning the IRA. No doubt 30 years ago Isis and the IRA would have been twinned with one or the other teaching each other how best to blow up pubs.

People like you created the conditions for the IRA. Don't get butt-hurt when you're called out on it. Your type fought to keep the sectarian state and lost. Your compatriots in the Glenanne Gang are much more comparable to ISIS than the PIRA. Loyalist murder gangs that were supported by the UDR/RUC vermin are comparable to ISIS - walking in to bars and bookies and murdering people of the 'wrong' faith. You disgust me.

VEN · 15-11-2015 04:54AM

there will never be integration, and not just from this culture. extra security for now, borders will lax again, the economic value of mass immigration to the rulers is far greater than 1-200 human lives it seems. you will never be told that cos its just plain sick anyway which means? lose 200, gain 2 million. what methods did germany use to assess the refugees and who gets what? pick of the bunch was it? i mean ye did spend a lot on it, i guess it'd be worth getting that back in good quality labour then, just send the uneducated to here. i like how they suspended the dublin rule to make it all happen on a one way path. well played merkel, for now. who is the master of puppets? do we know him/her?

Alexis Sanchez · 15-11-2015 05:05AM

RedemptionZ wrote: »

I'm not at all anti-Islam. I actually believe at its foundation it's a peaceful religion that like many religions has been interpreted by evil people for their own benefit and used to minipulate young impressionable men.

You would be very wrong about that. Islam was never about peace, it is a cult that was created for power and control. Its founder was a warlord who brainwash Arabs to join him into conquering the Arabian Peninsula.

Watch this video. It's a cartoon biography of the life of Muhammad, it will give you an insight as to what kind of man he was. The reason why it's a cartoon is because if they used real actor, they would be almost certainly head-hacked by some lunatics, like what happened to Theo van Gogh in 2004.

Junkyard Tom · 15-11-2015 05:07AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

given your posts it's quite ironic that you talk about "useful idiots" :rolleyes:

I usually ignore your posts because they amount to little more than 'I hate Muslims' in my opinion. You thanked a nutter who claimed that all Muslims in their hearts supported what happened in Paris. Shame on you for being such sectarian who feeds into the hatred.

timthumbni · 15-11-2015 05:11AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

People like you created the conditions for the IRA. Don't get butt-hurt when you're called out on it. Your type fought to keep the sectarian state and lost. Your compatriots in the Glenanne Gang are much more comparable to ISIS than the PIRA. Loyalist murder gangs that were supported by the UDR/RUC vermin are comparable to ISIS - walking in to bars and bookies and murdering people of the 'wrong' faith. You disgust me.

Listen up Tom, it's not nice when things like the Paris terrorist attack happens. It's even less nice for terrorist supporters like yourself to stomach so I can understand your pain. I was only a wean during the Glenane gang incidents and I despise the loyalist terrorists just as much as I hate the Irish republican terrorists like the IRA/inla etc so no idea where you are going with that one Tom.
And no, you're wrong I think ISIS would be much more friendly to your terrorist group of choice, the IRA. The words two peas in a pod springs to mind.

deco nate · 15-11-2015 05:21AM

kleefarr wrote: »

Posted by Isobel Bowdery on facebook...

you never think it will happen to you. It was just a friday night at a rock show. the atmosphere was so happy and everyone was dancing and smiling. and then when the men came through the front entrance and began the shooting, we naiively believed it was all part of the show. It wasn't just a terrorist attack, it was a massacre. Dozens of people were shot right infront of me. Pools of blood filled the floor. Cries of grown men who held their girlfriends dead bodies pierced the small music venue. Futures demolished, families heartbroken. in an instant. Shocked and alone, I pretended to be dead for over an hour, lying among people who could see their loved ones motionless.. Holding my breath, trying to not move, not cry - not giving those men the fear they longed to see. I was incredibly lucky to survive. But so many didn't. The people who had been there for the exact same reasons as I - to have a fun friday night were innocent. This world is cruel. And acts like this are suppose to highlight the depravity of humans and the images of those men circuling us like vultures will haunt me for the rest of my life. The way they meticoulsy aimed at shot people around the standing area i was in the centre of without any consideration for human life. It didn't feel real. i expected any moment for someone to say it was just a nightmare. But being a survivor of this horror lets me able to shed light on the heroes. To the man who reassured me and put his life on line to try and cover my brain whilst i whimpered, to the couple whose last words of love kept me believing the good in the world, to the police who succeded in rescuing hundreds of people, to the complete strangers who picked me up from the road and consoled me during the 45 minutes I truly believed the boy i loved was dead, to the injured man who i had mistaken for him and then on my recognition that he was not Amaury, held me and told me everything was going to be fine despite being all alone and scared himself, to the woman who opened her doors to the survivors, to the friend who offered me shelter and went out to buy new clothes so i wouldnt have to wear this blood stained top, to all of you who have sent caring messages of support - you make me believe this world has the potential to be better. to never let this happen again. but most of this is to the 80 people who were murdered inside that venue, who weren't as lucky, who didnt get to wake up today and to all the pain that their friends and families are going through. I am so sorry. There's nothing that will fix the pain. I feel priviledged to be there for their last breaths. And truly beliving that I would join them, I promise that their last thoughts were not on the animals who caused all this. It was thinking of the people they loved. As i lay down in the blood of strangers and waiting for my bullet to end my mere 22 years, I envisioned every face that I have ever loved and whispered I love you. over and over again. reflecting on the highlights of my life. Wishing that those i love knew just how much, wishing that they knew that no matter what happened to me, to keep belieivng in the good in people. to not let those men win. Last night, the lives of many were forever changed and it is up to us to be better people. to live lives that the innocent victims of this tragedy dreamt about but sadly will now never be able to fulfil. RIP angels. You will never be forgotten.

There is a photo of a top with blood on it. Must have been awful.

I also seen this post, one thing that hit me straight away was if you were hiding under/among the dead their would be a he'll of a lot more blood on your top. As was said in that post about hiding among the dead/dying. I think that was a... Ohh forget about it. Sure I'm gonna get abuse just for pointing out the above.

For those that really did go through it, for those that lost.. My thoughts are with them.

Junkyard Tom · 15-11-2015 05:22AM

timthumbni wrote: »

It's even less nice for terrorist supporters like yourself to stomach so I can understand your pain.

You and people like you were the terrorist Tim. It was you and your type who terrorised people who sought equal civil and political rights in the north. The British murdered and tortured innocent men and are being brought to court for it.

I was only a wean during the Glenane gang incidents and I despise the loyalist terrorists just as much as I hate the Irish republican terrorists like the IRA/inla etc so no idea where you are going with that one Tom.

They were a gang of 'security' force murderers who went after innocent people for being Catholic. They were much more comparable to ISIS than people fighting back against British/Unionist/Loyalist terrorism.

And no, you're wrong I think ISIS would be much more friendly to your terrorist group of choice, the IRA. The words two peas in a pod springs to mind.

Your type caused the troubles due to your sectarian hatred of Catholics - you've much more in common with ISIS than I do. History will prove you wrong.

timthumbni · 15-11-2015 05:34AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You and people like you were the terrorist Tim. It was you and your type who terrorised people who sought equal civil and political rights in the north. The British murdered and tortured innocent men and are being brought to court for it.

They were a gang of 'security' force murderers who went after innocent people for being Catholic. They were much more comparable to ISIS than people fighting back against British/Unionist/Loyalist terrorism.

Your type caused the troubles due to your sectarian hatred of Catholics - you've much more in common with ISIS than I do. History will prove you wrong.

Well that was a bizarre rant Tom. I'm not sure I was the terrorist Tom.... I was only a cub during the troubles so I doubt I was terrorising anyone apart from my mother perhaps.

As for sectarian hatred of Catholics again Tom I worry about you. I am an atheist and have been since I was about 12. You appear to believe that everyone in Northern Ireland who is not catholic is a Protestant but that is your problem. If you wish to believe in a wee bearded man magically walking over the water then that is your concern.

Regarding ISIS sure hasn't the IRA (your wet dream boys) already headed to the Middle East before for tea and biscuits. (Libya, Palestine etc) are you ashamed of your friends now???

Iwasfrozen · 15-11-2015 06:27AM

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

You would be very wrong about that. Islam was never about peace, it is a cult that was created for power and control. Its founder was a warlord who brainwash Arabs to join him into conquering the Arabian Peninsula.

Watch this video. It's a cartoon biography of the life of Muhammad, it will give you an insight as to what kind of man he was. The reason why it's a cartoon is because if they used real actor, they would be almost certainly head-hacked by some lunatics, like what happened to Theo van Gogh in 2004.

There's so much wrong about this post it's actually difficult to respond to but Muhammad was persecuted, spit on and had his life threatened when we started to spread his message. His wars with Mecca wee about survival not conquest.

As for Aisha, people like to call Muhammad a pedo for consummating his marriage with a 9 - 12 year old girl but in the society and culture at the time female marriage at such a young age was normal, common even for political leaders. In western Europe a thousand years later Mary Queen of Scots was betrothed to Edward VI of England at six months old on the understanding that she would marry at 10. In Romeo and Juliet, Juliet's parents are worried she isn't married and she's not getting any younger, she's 13 and there's nothing to suggest contemporary audiences saw anything strange about this.

Pleas have been criticising Muhammad or all kinds of things, real and imaginary for centuries but criticism for his marriage has only come up in the last century when attitudes started to change.

_Kaiser_ · 15-11-2015 08:57AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

We are not worth attacking. The only way Irish people will get killed if by hard luck they happen to be abroad when the extremists main targets are.

Disagree.. Remember that a lot of US/Western multinationals have their European headquarters here. Couple that with poor border controls and a police force that is completely ill-equipped to deal with such a scenario and we would in fact be a pretty tempting target for these scum.

You can be sure that the above companies have thought about this too.

Galwayguy35 · 15-11-2015 09:03AM

The French seem to have well trained special forces to deal with situations like this and they were on the scene quickly.

If something like this happened here how long would it take to get an armed response unit to the scene and would they be trained to deal with terrorists?

Also I would imagine our intelligence gathering is way behind other countries like the UK for instance.

Gone Drinking · 15-11-2015 09:51AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The French seem to have well trained special forces to deal with situations like this and they were on the scene quickly.

If something like this happened here how long would it take to get an armed response unit to the scene and would they be trained to deal with terrorists?

Also I would imagine our intelligence gathering is way behind other countries like the UK for instance.

The Irish Army Rangers are one of the best special forces in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Ranger_Wing

I'd have zero concern that those boys wouldn't be able to handle a situation or be prepared for one. I'd worry more in a larger sense of preparation how would the country look. I hope they've plans drawn up behind the curtains.

tigger123 · 15-11-2015 10:03AM

Just saw on Facebook that someone's started a campaign to get Eagles of Death Metal to number one.

Never taken part in anything like that before but will be definitely buying whatever they release in order to make it happen.

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-11-2015 10:12AM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

The Irish Army Rangers are one of the best special forces in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Ranger_Wing

I'd have zero concern that those boys wouldn't be able to handle a situation or be prepared for one. I'd worry more in a larger sense of preparation how would the country look. I hope they've plans drawn up behind the curtains.

I presume even before Paris,they have a unit based in Dublin city centre ready to go at a moments notice

Ash.J.Williams · 15-11-2015 10:20AM

tigger123 wrote: »

Just saw on Facebook that someone's started a campaign to get Eagles of Death Metal to number one.

Never taken part in anything like that before but will be definitely buying whatever they release in order to make it happen.

I'm a fan but I doubt the band would want that...

Mushy · 15-11-2015 10:23AM

tigger123 wrote: »

Just saw on Facebook that someone's started a campaign to get Eagles of Death Metal to number one.

Never taken part in anything like that before but will be definitely buying whatever they release in order to make it happen.

Like poster above, don't think it would mean a great deal to the band.

Saw the video of start of the attack in the venue, seems like they were playing Kiss the Devil at the time.

take everything · 15-11-2015 10:26AM

It will be interesting to see if this has any major effect on concert-going in European cities or just nightlife in general.

I know I would think twice about going to a gig now.
Some might see that as irrational but what's to stop a repeat in Dublin. Improbable but not impossible.

fryup · 15-11-2015 10:32AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Loyalist murder gangs that were supported by the UDR/RUC vermin are comparable to ISIS - walking in to bars and bookies and murdering people of the 'wrong' faith. You disgust me.

well thats rich, did you ever hear of the kingsmill massacre ten protestant workmen shot dead by the provos, darkley massacre, claudy, enniskillen, bloody friday etc etc

and the IRA were always targeting protestants living along the border, give over with your SF BS

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