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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    Is it not just German for leader? In English it's got bad connotations but he might be German or a German speaker?

    Nope...

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrer

    Someone with the username Fuhrer who then condemns someone else for being anti-semitic... I wouldn't believe it had I not read it with my own eyes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    This is not a worrying time for me at all mod:
    1. We live in Ireland
    2. We are well down the pecking order of countries that could be attacked
    3. We are not a country who is a major player on the world stage
    4. We have never invaded any country
    5. Would be attackers would struggle to find Ireland on a map

    It is like parking your banger of a car between two bigger cars (America and the UK) The would be robber/vandal is more likely to steal or damage one the bigger cars and leave your car alone.

    There is more chance of one of "our own" planting a car bomb north or south then a foreign extremist coming here and causing mayhem.


    You do know many Irish people are in places other than Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    This is not a worrying time for me at all mod:
    1. We live in Ireland
    2. We are well down the pecking order of countries that could be attacked
    3. We are not a country who is a major player on the world stage
    4. We have never invaded any country
    5. Would be attackers would struggle to find Ireland on a map

    It is like parking your banger of a car between two bigger cars (America and the UK) The would be robber/vandal is more likely to steal or damage one the bigger cars and leave your car alone.

    There is more chance of one of "our own" planting a car bomb north or south then a foreign extremist coming here and causing mayhem.

    Many of us have friends and family in France and the UK. Just because you and I may not be the most likely there's thousands possibly more of Irish people who have family in Paris and it could've been one of them. There's one Irish female confirmed injured.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Many of us have friends and family in France and the UK. Just because you and I may not be the most likely there's thousands possibly more of Irish people who have family in Paris and it could've been one of them. There's one Irish female confirmed injured.

    And the three Irish who were murdered in Tunisia


  • Administrators Posts: 55,269 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    MS1962 wrote: »
    Islam does not hold Muhamoud as their god. Read what I wrote. This guy set up their religion, claimed to be a prophet, yet was an exceedingly nasty, vindictive man. As a Christian, if I knew the Lord was not a good man... let's just say I would not be a Christian any more. Islam is founded on the man and his supposed revelation, yet if it is the case that he was a nasty SOB, then... where does that leave the believers? How can they continue to wilfully remain in ignorance about him, or refuse to believe the documented history about the man and everything he did, the murders, the massacres, the rapes, child sex abuse, etc...

    You've never read the old testament then?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Pocoyo


    This is not a worrying time for me at all mod:
    1. We live in Ireland
    2. We are well down the pecking order of countries that could be attacked
    3. We are not a country who is a major player on the world stage
    4. We have never invaded any country
    5. Would be attackers would struggle to find Ireland on a map

    It is like parking your banger of a car between two bigger cars (America and the UK) The would be robber/vandal is more likely to steal or damage one the bigger cars and leave your car alone.

    There is more chance of one of "our own" planting a car bomb north or south then a foreign extremist coming here and causing mayhem.

    You do realise the facts on that list may actually make us a target if you were aware of how ISIS operated you would know this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 MS1962


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Of course they see their god as perfect,
    A christian see's Jesus in the exact same way,

    Islam does not hold Muhamoud as their god. Read what I wrote. This guy set up their religion, claimed to be a prophet, yet was an exceedingly nasty, vindictive man. As a Christian, if I knew the Lord was not a good man... let's just say I would not be a Christian any more. Islam is founded on the man and his supposed revelation, yet if it is the case that he was a nasty ___, then... where does that leave the believers? How can they continue to wilfully remain in ignorance about him, or refuse to believe the documented history about the man and everything he did, the murders, the massacres, the rapes, child sex abuse, etc...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Link?


    Irish times live blog amongst others reporting it. Twitter account has threatened schipol and Brussels will be next.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Very Bored


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Yes, because thats what that means.


    Its funny you should bring up Fascism earlier and your utter revulsion of it, the closest we have in current times to fascism is the Islamic State, yet when people question the ideology behind that you are shocked and outraged.


    Pity we cant get some of that shock and outrage towards something that encourages the horror we saw last night.

    I'm not even going to waste my time responding to cr*p like this.

    As I said someone who uses the name Fuhrer but then condemns someone else for being anti-semitic is beyond understanding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Drakares


    Is it not just German for leader? In English it's got bad connotations but he might be German or a German speaker?

    As far as I know Mein Fuhrer is seen as a bad, but fuhrer is just a normal word.
    Führer is a normal noun derived from the verb führen. Which means to guide/lead.

    Source: I speak German


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,501 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    You do know many Irish people are in places other than Ireland?

    Well this is exactly the type of mass hsyteria that occured after september 11th 2001. The world will not end. If Irish people happen to be killed aboard, it will not be because they are Irish. It will be just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
    Personally I would be more afraid of drink drivers, travelling on the red luas line, or travelling down the M50.
    A foreign extremist from ISIS is not one them.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Very Bored wrote: »
    I'm not even going to waste my time responding to cr*p like this.

    As I said someone who uses the name Fuhrer but then condemns someone else for being anti-semitic is beyond understanding.

    Better yet, you could not waste your time by posting at all, given that everything you have said has been a variation of the same illogical stupidity, I dont think anyones going to miss much.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Of course they see their god/a prophet as perfect,
    A christian see's Jesus in the exact same way,

    To be fair, Jesus is fairly above reproach. Even though he probably never existed, his story paints him as a fairly peaceful loving guy.

    Mohammad on the other hand represents the worst excesses of inhumanity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Link?

    Just mentioned on Sky news, but nothing on their site yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Such an over the top response on social media. Jaysus. It's a horrific tragedy but people care a lot less when it's a non-photogenic, non-Western location!

    Last time I remember such a social media outpouring was when Nelson Mandela died, and then a lot of people didn't know much about the man either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,501 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    You do realise the facts on that list may actually make us a target if you were aware of how ISIS operated you would know this.

    Not bothered in the slightest. I am not falling for sky news hype we are grand.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Wow. Ok.

    Who do you think IS are emulating?

    Dunno - maybe it's Humphrey Gilbert - in 1569 he came up with a great way to deal with Irish 'rebels' during the Desmond Rebellion.
    The heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies and brought to the place where he incamped at night, and should there bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie ledying into his owne tente so that none could come into his tente for any cause but commonly he muste passe through a lane of heddes which he used ad terrorem...[It brought] greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kindsfolke, and freinds..
    Terror has been a factor of every 'war' so I don't think IS are doing anything but follow in the footsteps of the psychos who went before them from all creeds and cultures.

    Or perhaps it's the actions of U.S. troops in Vietnam when they massacred most of the inhabitant of My Lai in 1968.

    Or maybe it's Reginald Dyer who ordered his troops to open fire in Amritsar in 1919 killing hundreds of unarmed men, women and children.


    Terror has always been a recognized military tactic - the difference now is that IS are adroit in employing social media to disseminate the images.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,501 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Such an over the top response on social media. Jaysus. It's a horrific tragedy but people care a lot less when it's a non-photogenic, non-Western location!

    Last time I remember such a social media outpouring was when Nelson Mandela died, and then a lot of people didn't know much about the man either.

    Exactly you have civil wars in Africa for decades and not a word is said about it. This just sells papers and "brings it closer to home" :rolleyes:

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Well this is exactly the type of mass hsyteria that occured after september 11th 2001. The world will not end. If Irish people happen to be killed aboard, it will not be because they are Irish. It will be just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
    Personally I would be more afraid of drink drivers, travelling on the red luas line, or travelling down the M50.
    A foreign extremist from ISIS is not one them.

    Yeah, the point was that Islamic Terrorists don't differentiate between Irish, English, French etc. Being Irish is meaningless when the ones with murderous intentions want everyone dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Jesus wasn't around at the time of the inquisition.

    Really? I thought he rose from the dead.....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    What we mustn't do in light of this is compromise on free speech including the right to criticise religions. Two wrongs do not make a right.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    ''I 'm a Muslim.
    Islam is perfect.
    But i m not.
    If i make a mistake,
    Blame me.
    Not my Religion!''

    Popular anti terror attack tweet from the muslim community trending on twitter... this doesnt exactly reassure me.

    Utterly revolting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Exactly you have civil wars in Africa for decades and not a word is said about it. This just sells papers and "brings it closer to home" :rolleyes:

    "OMG, I went there for a weekend in February, this is awful!" :rolleyes:


  • Site Banned Posts: 16 Dkinn


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Such an over the top response on social media. Jaysus. It's a horrific tragedy but people care a lot less when it's a non-photogenic, non-Western location!

    Last time I remember such a social media outpouring was when Nelson Mandela died, and then a lot of people didn't know much about the man either.
    Usually because its an attack from within a country. This was an attack from a foreign influence on a different country after a pouring of refugees to europe, of course it's going to get more media attention. British and Irish people are wounded and some dead, another reason why we have such an outpouring.

    I suppose with France being a European partner too we have a far stronger link with Paris than Aleppo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Drakares wrote: »
    Führer is a normal noun derived from the verb führen. Which means to guide/lead.

    Source: I speak German

    So it isn't anti Semitic? I was thinking that, it's such a generic word it couldn't possibly be taken out of everyday talk like that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭ComfortKid


    ricero wrote:
    Its time for ireland as a country to fight against isis and our government to help with the fighting by sending irish troops overseas. I feel cowardly that our country are allowing evil like this to exist in the world and not help combat it with our european allies


    I presume you will be on the first ship over to fight?

    You can join the British military if you want you know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭CB19Kevo


    This is not a worrying time for me at all mod:
    1. We live in Ireland

      Yeah we do,A country with approx 50,000 muslim's,Some of which have went to Syria to fight and many have returned.
    2. We are well down the pecking order of countries that could be attacked

      ISIS have called for a general call to arms,Be it London,new york,Paris or even Dublin
    3. We are not a country who is a major player on the world stage

      Correct but we believe in free speech and are a christian/atheist majority.
    4. We have never invaded any country

      Shannon?
    5. Would be attackers would struggle to find Ireland on a map

      Not if they are one of the 50,000 WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE....

    It is like parking your banger of a car between two bigger cars (America and the UK) The would be robber/vandal is more likely to steal or damage one the bigger cars and leave your car alone.

    There is more chance of one of "our own" planting a car bomb north or south then a foreign extremist coming here and causing mayhem.

    The risk is low,but get your head out of the sand,we are not invincible and we are not fully prepared.


  • Site Banned Posts: 16 Dkinn


    So it isn't anti Semitic? I was thinking that, it's such a generic word it couldn't possibly be taken out of everyday talk like that.

    Some people look around to be offended.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Very Bored wrote: »
    I'm not even going to waste my time responding to cr*p like this.

    As I said someone who uses the name Fuhrer but then condemns someone else for being anti-semitic is beyond understanding.

    Beyond your understanding maybe. Because you're thick and can't comprehend that a word in another language has different connotations than in your own.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




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