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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #2342
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Currently trawling the Book of Leviticus, which is part of Christian canon, to quote some verses to BoJack. The same verses which resulted in the church's horrific treatment of single mothers, homosexuals, "wayward" children etc.

    Anyone who denies that Christian scripture contains just as much evil bullsh!t as Islamic scripture is being deliberately obtuse. It's well known that half of the old testament is full of utterly hateful sh!te, which Christians simply choose to ignore. As a Christian, I'm happy to regard it as non-canon since most of it directly conflicts with Jesus' own words, as BoJack has rightly stated - but this doesn't change the fact that the organisation of the church believes these texts to be canonical, and that they form the basis for all of the evil things Christianity has inflicted on the world, from Magdalene laundries to the Westboro Baptist Church.

    I can't honestly believe we're having a genuine debate here about whether or not fundamental Christianity has as much violent, evil sh!t in it as fundamental Islam. Face it, the world 2000 years ago was a barbaric, savage place compared to the modern day, and all religions which stem from that time contain large elements of that savagery in their instructional texts. There is no way of getting around this without twisting or omitting the truth, so why are we even arguing about it?

    I agree, the Christian back catalogue is just as much of a horror show as that on which Islam is based. In fact, much of islamic teaching is chapter and verse plagiarism from Jewish and Christian texts. The difference is that it would be foolish to claim that, right now, Islamic teaching is being utilised to perpetrate and justify violence in a way that Christianity hasn't seen in quite a long time.


  • #2343
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    leavingirl wrote: »
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/30/syria-us-deployment-troops-obama-special-operations

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30847689

    neither link to a USMC deployment to Syria....

    Do you have that link?


  • #2344
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    leavingirl wrote: »
    We have freedom of speech right? We live in the free world.

    What does that have to do with anything? You're saying "question everything" about people being murdered... What in the feck are you questioning?


  • #2345
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I find it quite alarming how quickly this has turned into a debate about Islam and even ISIS.

    Can I just post an actual fact here, which bears repeating:

    Nobody has claimed responsibility, the authorities have nothing yet but theories on who might have been involved based on precedent, no suspect has yet been taken alive or identified as belonging to any nationality or religion.

    Seriously, how are all of you Muslim bashers going to feel if the scumbags involved in this attack turn out to be more European supremacists like that lunatic from Norway a couple of years ago, or Chechen rebels, or Basque separatists, or any number of other active threats aside from Islamists?

    I'm not saying it isn't them, I'm just saying we have no proof. I'm rather alarmed at how easily the world is jumping to conclusions based on absolutely nothing except instinct.


  • #2346
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I find it quite alarming how quickly this has turned into a debate about Islam and even ISIS.

    Can I just post an actual fact here, which bears repeating:

    Nobody has claimed responsibility, the authorities have nothing yet but theories on who might have been involved based on precedent, no suspect has yet been taken alive or identified as belonging to any nationality or religion.

    Seriously, how are all of you Muslim bashers going to feel if the scumbags involved in this attack turn out to be more European supremacists like that lunatic from Norway a couple of years ago, or Chechen rebels, or Basque separatists, or any number of other active threats aside from Islamists?

    I'm not saying it isn't them, I'm just saying we have no proof. I'm rather alarmed at how easily the world is jumping to conclusions based on absolutely nothing except instinct.


    IS have seemingly claimed responsibility.


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  • #2347
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I find it quite alarming how quickly this has turned into a debate about Islam and even ISIS.

    Can I just post an actual fact here, which bears repeating:

    Nobody has claimed responsibility, the authorities have nothing yet but theories on who might have been involved based on precedent, no suspect has yet been taken alive or identified as belonging to any nationality or religion.

    Seriously, how are all of you Muslim bashers going to feel if the scumbags involved in this attack turn out to be more European supremacists like that lunatic from Norway a couple of years ago, or Chechen rebels, or Basque separatists, or any number of other active threats aside from Islamists?

    I'm not saying it isn't them, I'm just saying we have no proof. I'm rather alarmed at how easily the world is jumping to conclusions based on absolutely nothing except instinct.

    LOL


  • #2348
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    ISIS have claimed responsibility


  • #2349
    wexandproud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    leavingirl wrote: »
    We have freedom of speech right? We live in the free world.

    yep thats correct, but you still didn't answer the question

    what is it you want to question


  • #2350
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Hande hoche! wrote: »
    IS have seemingly claimed responsibility.

    And have envoked the prophet in their statement.


  • #2351
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Saipanne wrote: »
    I think we all should head over to Syria and hug it out.

    Or we could all cop ourselves on a wee bit, but there's little hope of that ever happening is there?


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  • #2352
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    sunyag wrote: »
    Do you want to take a bet?

    I want to bet him too.


  • #2353
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Slow handclap for all the posters stupid enough or twisted enough to give exactly the kind of response of fear and division that this cowardly murderous scum target.

    Proud of ye.

    And the alternative? Doing nothing and leaving the borders as easily penetrated as currently is?

    Even if these fighters were not foreign to France, we've had reports of Germany and Italy both finding ISIS fighters on their territory. We've had reports of Norway almost taking ISIS fighters in as a refugee group when the UN "vetted" them (the only reason they found them in the first place was because Norway sent their own investigators).


  • #2354
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭screamer


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I find it quite alarming how quickly this has turned into a debate about Islam and even ISIS.

    Can I just post an actual fact here, which bears repeating:

    Nobody has claimed responsibility, the authorities have nothing yet but theories on who might have been involved based on precedent, no suspect has yet been taken alive or identified as belonging to any nationality or religion.

    Seriously, how are all of you Muslim bashers going to feel if the scumbags involved in this attack turn out to be more European supremacists like that lunatic from Norway a couple of years ago, or Chechen rebels, or Basque separatists, or any number of other active threats aside from Islamists?

    I'm not saying it isn't them, I'm just saying we have no proof. I'm rather alarmed at how easily the world is jumping to conclusions based on absolutely nothing except instinct.

    Reported last night that one attacker shot dead in the bataclan told the cops before he was shot I am from Isis


  • #2355
    jesus_thats_gre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    leavingirl wrote: »
    I still cannot find any media showing people with bad injuries. Not nice to see but we need to question everything. I remember after the Boston event, the video of the guy on the wheelchair with no legs being wheeled into shot was replayed over and over again...

    So please upload them if anyone can find something. With a warning of course.

    Sightly retarded but here you go - just to shut you up:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN8ulRLHSvo


  • #2356
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Hande hoche! wrote: »
    IS have seemingly claimed responsibility.

    They have been reported to have done so recently, in fact. My apologies, my information was several hours out of date.
    Saipanne wrote: »
    LOL

    This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you post a reasoned and well executed rebuttal. :rolleyes:


  • #2357
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,151 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    leavingirl wrote: »
    We have freedom of speech right? We live in the free world.

    We don't have freedom of speech in ireland or boards.ie


  • #2358
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    screamer wrote: »
    Reported last night that one attacker shot dead in the bataclan told the cops before he was shot I am from Isis

    Did he mention his thanks for opening the borders to them?

    First of many I feel.


  • #2359
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    wexandproud wrote: »
    yep thats correct, but you still didn't answer the question

    what is it you want to question

    Well it's early days yet. No investigation.

    Do you believe the official 911 report?


  • #2360
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,396 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    leavingirl wrote: »
    I still cannot find any media showing people with bad injuries. Not nice to see but we need to question everything. I remember after the Boston event, the video of the guy on the wheelchair with no legs being wheeled into shot was replayed over and over again...

    So please upload them if anyone can find something. With a warning of course.

    The insensitivity and downright stupidity of some people never fails to amaze me. You seriously won't believe that over 120 died last night until you see some blood splattered pictures? I suggest that you go look somewhere else because this probably isn't the site to satisfy your prurient curiosity on.
    leavingirl wrote: »
    We have freedom of speech right? We live in the free world.

    Wtf has freedom of speech got to do with gore porn? Your request has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech.


  • #2361
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I find it quite alarming how quickly this has turned into a debate about Islam and even ISIS.

    Can I just post an actual fact here, which bears repeating:

    Nobody has claimed responsibility, the authorities have nothing yet but theories on who might have been involved based on precedent, no suspect has yet been taken alive or identified as belonging to any nationality or religion.

    Seriously, how are all of you Muslim bashers going to feel if the scumbags involved in this attack turn out to be more European supremacists like that lunatic from Norway a couple of years ago, or Chechen rebels, or Basque separatists, or any number of other active threats aside from Islamists?

    I'm not saying it isn't them, I'm just saying we have no proof. I'm rather alarmed at how easily the world is jumping to conclusions based on absolutely nothing except instinct.

    It was ISIS. They just claimed responsibility.


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  • #2362
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,454 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    screamer wrote: »
    Reported last night that one attacker shot dead in the bataclan told the cops before he was shot I am from Isis

    IS reported to be claiming responsibility
    It has been reported that the so-called Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the Paris attacks that have killed 128 people and injured 200 others.
    It is believed 99 of the injured are in a critical condition.


  • #2363
    wexandproud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I find it quite alarming how quickly this has turned into a debate about Islam and even ISIS.

    Can I just post an actual fact here, which bears repeating:

    Nobody has claimed responsibility, the authorities have nothing yet but theories on who might have been involved based on precedent, no suspect has yet been taken alive or identified as belonging to any nationality or religion.

    Seriously, how are all of you Muslim bashers going to feel if the scumbags involved in this attack turn out to be more European supremacists like that lunatic from Norway a couple of years ago, or Chechen rebels, or Basque separatists, or any number of other active threats aside from Islamists?

    I'm not saying it isn't them, I'm just saying we have no proof. I'm rather alarmed at how easily the world is jumping to conclusions based on absolutely nothing except instinct.

    your fact even though its written in big black letter ,is in fact wrong


  • #2364
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    The ignore feature is there to be used.


  • #2365
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I find it quite alarming how quickly this has turned into a debate about Islam and even ISIS.

    Can I just post an actual fact here, which bears repeating:

    Nobody has claimed responsibility, the authorities have nothing yet but theories on who might have been involved based on precedent, no suspect has yet been taken alive or identified as belonging to any nationality or religion.

    Seriously, how are all of you Muslim bashers going to feel if the scumbags involved in this attack turn out to be more European supremacists like that lunatic from Norway a couple of years ago, or Chechen rebels, or Basque separatists, or any number of other active threats aside from Islamists?

    I'm not saying it isn't them, I'm just saying we have no proof. I'm rather alarmed at how easily the world is jumping to conclusions based on absolutely nothing except instinct.

    Witnesses said attackers shouted allahu akbar before they opened fire on the bar..sounds like white supremacists to me


  • #2366
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    France only recently carried out operations in central Africa/Mali. You think France's budgetary requirements will stop them using weapons they've already bought and paid for? I'm quite sure the French military would be only too glad to massacre Daesh for free after this attack.

    People like to think all of Europe is somehow militarily emasculated, but France (and Britain) are still world powers with tremendous power projection capability. France is currently engaged in carrying out airstrikes against ISIS, and they're re-deploying the CdG to the Gulf. No doubt they're going to be a little more intense in their air campaign this time.

    I think we should let the Israelis and Russians sort this 1 out. The EU countries aren't up for a war, well maybe they are.... a pc fight.


  • #2367
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Zaph wrote: »
    The insensitivity and downright stupidity of some people never fails to amaze me. You seriously won't believe that over 120 died last night until you see some blood splattered pictures? I suggest that you go look somewhere else because this probably isn't the site to satisfy your prurient curiosity on.



    Wtf has freedom of speech got to do with gore porn? Your request has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech.

    You have a lot of posts.


  • #2368
    LincolnsBeard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭LincolnsBeard


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you post a reasoned and well executed rebuttal. :rolleyes:

    'Ladies and gentlemen'? How dare you presume to know the gender identities of people on this forum? When you have surveyed every user in this thread and found out what they self-identify as, then you can use terms such as 'ladies and gentlemen' if applicable. Until then, hold your horses.


  • #2369
    SpaceSasqwatch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭SpaceSasqwatch


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Do you have a link to this USMC deployment to Syria?
    I doubt it,the ghoul doesnt seem to know to use a search engine.


  • #2370
    Mesrine65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    leavingirl wrote: »
    You have a lot of posts.
    You talk a lot of shite...


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  • #2371
    Sariah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Sariah


    Sky News seem to be reporting that Isis have taken responsibility for the attack


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