Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

JONJO THE MISER · 14-11-2015 06:26AM

When are these traitors of politicians who cheer leaded islamic immigration to Europe going to be held responsible, and now our government wants to bring thousands of refugees in from the middle east, it begars belief.

RoyalCelt · 14-11-2015 06:27AM

Old Jakey wrote: »

No the problem is Islam. It has no place in Europe.

Exactly because the extremists are the ones following their religion the way it's meant to be. It's a horrible inhumane religion.

Nodin · 14-11-2015 06:30AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

When are these traitors of politicians who cheer leaded islamic immigration to Europe going to be held responsible, and now our government wants to bring thousands of refugees in from the middle east, it begars belief.

Those would be the people fleeing from people like the ones who carried out this bloodbath...

RoyalCelt · 14-11-2015 06:33AM

That_Guy wrote: »

There are more Muslims fighting Islamic extremism than any other group. But you know, don't let that get in the way of your disgusting racism/anti-religious bias.

They're no true Muslims. The extremists are the true Muslims that follow their religion the way it's meant to. The sooner the world is atheist the better.

Amazingfun · 14-11-2015 06:38AM

Nodin wrote: »

Those would be the people fleeing from people like the ones who carried out this bloodbath...

Yeah, and they all seem so harmless......

MarkY91 · 14-11-2015 06:38AM

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

They think that their countries are being occupied/oppressed by Western military powers.

So they then decide to live in such western countries?

leavingirl · 14-11-2015 06:47AM

It's very important to get some perspective here. A lot of comments in here are from people who believe what they hear in MSM. All I ask is look at this youtube video of a David Cameron speech to see what a man he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-FVbQwO2o

leavingirl · 14-11-2015 06:51AM

inforfun wrote: »

Please throw whatever you use to enter the internet and type ****, out of the window.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-FVbQwO2o

leavingirl · 14-11-2015 06:59AM

Daniel S wrote: »

What's the link to Calais?

The lads here think that the migrants from Syria stopped off in Paris on the way to the boat to carry out terrorist attacks. Some even said they are all nephews of Osama Bin Laden

mattP · 14-11-2015 07:00AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote:

When are these traitors of politicians who cheer leaded islamic immigration to Europe going to be held responsible, and now our government wants to bring thousands of refugees in from the middle east, it begars belief.

I would send them right back, we owe them nothing - most of them are innocent individuals but still. Is it worth the risk of more massacres? Honestly, how can they (Parisiens) rest easily again. It is pure barbaric, whatever ***** did this.
Im so angry and sad I can't articulate it. To slaughter so much innocent people...

Sunflower 27 · 14-11-2015 07:07AM

mattP wrote: »

I would send them right back, we owe them nothing - most of them are innocent individuals but still. Is it worth the risk of more massacres? Honestly, how can they (Parisiens) rest easily again. It is pure barbaric, whatever ***** did this.
Im so angry and sad I can't articulate it. To slaughter so much innocent people...

Yes, they are all going g to be rounded up and sent back. Come on, be real now. That is not even remotely feasible.

Yet isis have been slaughtering their own and that's OK is it? Does that make you angry? Or are they not innocent too? What if you were over there, would you want to be sent back?

mattP · 14-11-2015 07:16AM

Sunflower 27 wrote:

Yet isis have been slaughtering their own and that's OK is it? Does that make you angry? Or are they not innocent too? What if you were over there, would you want to be sent back?

And where does this line end, may I ask? Sure we might aswell burden ourselves with everyone out there who wants to come. What is the point in welcoming people to our sanctuary, if they are the very ones who defile it? What's the point if those we welcome - a select few at least - seek to exact some bizarre notion which involves anything like that which happened last night? Is this going to become a biannual thing now for Paris?
Every country has to think of its own citizens first.

leavingirl · 14-11-2015 07:17AM

XR3i wrote: »

just seen videos on liveleak of the cafe massacre, the screaming and wailing of people shot up badly dying on the pavement

Link or GTFO!

BlaasForRafa · 14-11-2015 07:21AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

This may blow your mind but Europe emerged from the Middle Ages partly because Islam respected knowledge

You're not giving the full story though are you? For a few hundred years circa 800-1200 AD some of the islamic territories of the middle east were areas that encouraged scientific thought and made breakthroughs in mathematics and astronomy but with the rised of the Ash’ari school of thought in the 13th century they pissed all that away and stagnated in terms of intellectual advancement, regressed even, and by the 16th century had been thoroughly outpaced by Europe. The Ash’arites rejected the influence of greek, byzantine and jewish scholars and turned to a much more fundamentalist type of islam and that has continued on for the last 700 years or so.

Sunflower 27 · 14-11-2015 07:27AM

mattP wrote: »

And where does this line end, may I ask? Sure we might aswell burden ourselves with everyone out there who wants to come. What is the point in welcoming people to our sanctuary, if they are the very ones who defile it? What's the point if those we welcome - a select few at least - seek to exact some bizarre notion which involves anything like that which happened last night? Is this going to become a biannual thing now for Paris?
Every country has to think of its own citizens first.

Sanctuary? You think we are crime-free here? You need to get real.

Imagine if at the time of the famine all Irish people were turned away?

Bottom line is no one is going to be sent back anywhere. The biggest problem I see in Ireland is attitudes like yours against Muslins. That is the far more likely scenario, incidents where Irish people decide to condemn anyone dressed in any way resembling a Muslim! There have been Muslims in western countries for decades and Ireland is no different. I had no idea there were as many mosques in Ireland as there are.

Sunflower 27 · 14-11-2015 07:31AM

mattP wrote: »

And where does this line end, may I ask? Sure we might aswell burden ourselves with everyone out there who wants to come. What is the point in welcoming people to our sanctuary, if they are the very ones who defile it? What's the point if those we welcome - a select few at least - seek to exact some bizarre notion which involves anything like that which happened last night? Is this going to become a biannual thing now for Paris?
Every country has to think of its own citizens first.

And why are you exaggerating?Ireland has not taken everyone, not even close.. If you are going to debate, at least do it the right way. Relying on gross exaggeration makes your argument very weak.

Niemoj · 14-11-2015 07:35AM

What has happened is so very sad but I don't really know what else governments expect to happen when migrants are so openly welcomed into a western society they have absolutely no intentions of intergrating into.

Sunflower 27 · 14-11-2015 07:55AM

Niemoj wrote: »

What has happened is so very sad but I don't really know what else governments expect to happen when migrants are so openly welcomed into a western society they have absolutely no intentions of intergrating into.

You hear very little about Muslins causing trouble in Ireland. They have their own religion of course, but they go about it peacefully. The idea that Muslims are all secretly harbouring intent to destroy the West is ridiculous.

The Muslim people I know here are really lovely, interesting and grateful to be here.

from_atozinc · 14-11-2015 08:01AM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Sanctuary? You think we are crime-free here? You need to get real.

Imagine if at the time of the famine all Irish people were turned away?

Bottom line is no one is going to be sent back anywhere. The biggest problem I see in Ireland is attitudes like yours against Muslins. That is the far more likely scenario, incidents where Irish people decide to condemn anyone dressed in any way resembling a Muslim! There have been Muslims in western countries for decades and Ireland is no different. I had no idea there were as many mosques in Ireland as there are.

You need to get real. If you had a family member killed last night by one of these pr1cks, I'm
sure you would not have the same attitude.

There was no reason of fear to turn Irish away, all they wanted to do was make a life for themselves.

Some people want these fooks turned away because some of them just want to attack and kill innocent people going about their daily lives.

Yes, I know it's only a select few causing the issues, but these select few are enough to make people not to want anything to do with the rest of them no matter what you say.

BlaasForRafa · 14-11-2015 08:08AM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

You hear very little about Muslins causing trouble in Ireland. They have their own religion of course, but they go about it peacefully. The idea that Muslims are all secretly harbouring intent to destroy the West is ridiculous.

The Muslim people I know here are really lovely, interesting and grateful to be here.

Sure, I know nice muslims too.

One of the reasons why Ireland may not have had an issue so far is that there is relatively few muslims here (so far) and they are fairly well spread out, they haven't reached that kind of critical mass to form communities like in Bradford or the Banlieue's of Paris. That's a good reason to keep muslim immigration to Ireland at a very low level in the future.

Sunflower 27 · 14-11-2015 08:09AM

from_atozinc wrote: »

You need to get real. If you had a family member killed last night by one of these pr1cks, I'm
sure you would not have the same attitude.

There was no reason of fear to turn Irish away, all they wanted to do was make a life for themselves.

Some people want these fooks turned away because some of them just want to attack and kill innocent people going about their daily lives.

Yes, I know it's only a select few causing the issues, but these select few are enough to make people not to want anything to do with the rest of them no matter what you say.

Don't tell me how I would feel. I would not condemn everyone on the actions of a few. That is a ridiculous philosophy.

No one is going to be turned back either. Getting all outraged won't change a thing.

Sunflower 27 · 14-11-2015 08:11AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Sure, I know nice muslims too.

One of the reasons why Ireland may not have had an issue so far is that there is relatively few muslims here (so far) and they are fairly well spread out, they haven't reached that kind of critical mass to form communities like in Bradford or the Banlieue's of Paris. That's a good reason to keep muslim immigration to Ireland at a very low level in the future.

Are you aware of the numbers of Muslins in Ireland. There are thousands and thousands. They have mosques all over the place.

Dozen Wicked Words · 14-11-2015 08:13AM

I'll wager a lot of these murderers were born and raised in France, just like the Charlie Hebdo killers. France has tens of thousands of disaffected 2nd and 3rd generation North and Sub Saharan Africans living in the worst estates with no prospect of work. These are the breeding grounds for extremism not refugees from war zones.

from_atozinc · 14-11-2015 08:15AM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Don't tell me how I would feel. I would not condemn everyone on the actions of a few. That is a ridiculous philosophy.

No one is going to be turned back either. Getting all outraged won't change a thing.

Oh Ok, I'm wrong on how you would feel. You would be over the moon then.

Let's adopt your attitude - that will certainly change things

ffs

Depp · 14-11-2015 08:18AM

this is the moment we're going to look back on that changed it all, and all you bleeding heart 'islam is not the problem' fools will realise how stupid you have been

Northern Monkey · 14-11-2015 08:20AM

leavingirl wrote: »

Link or GTFO!

You want to see a video of people dying?

GTFO...

Richard Hillman · 14-11-2015 08:24AM

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

I'll wager a lot of these murderers were born and raised in France, just like the Charlie Hebdo killers. France has tens of thousands of disaffected 2nd and 3rd generation North and Sub Saharan Africans living in the worst estates with no prospect of work. These are the breeding grounds for extremism not refugees from war zones.

And im sure the parents/grand-parents of the terrorists were lovely peace loving Muslims.

A large percentage of the folks coming from Syria are fleeing the terrorists and are lovely, peace loving Muslims. But what of their children/grandchildren?

The more we let in, more events like this will happen. It only took about 10 of them to put France into a state of emergency.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 14-11-2015 08:25AM

It has no place in this continent, and that's the thing many of these people won't accept. Europe like the US is Judeo - Christian.

We will not tolerate this sh1t, Conform to our ways and modern thinking or get lost you sick creeps.

Dozen Wicked Words · 14-11-2015 08:27AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It has no place in this continent, and that's the thing many of these people won't accept. Europe like the US is Judeo - Christian.

We will not tolerate this sh1t, Conform to our ways and modern thinking or get lost you sick creeps.

Of the recent mass shootings in the US, which ones were carried out by Muslims?

Barbarism doesn't belong solely to one religious or another.

Sunflower 27 · 14-11-2015 08:31AM

from_atozinc wrote: »

Oh Ok, I'm wrong on how you would feel. You would be over the moon then.

Let's adopt your attitude - that will certainly change things ffs

Immature. I did not say I would be over the moon, just that I am mature enough to not condemn all Muslims in the face of these atrocities. Very different from what you are implying I meant, actually.

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