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Former minister investigated over child sex abuse claims

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  • #32
    Berkieahern
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Berkieahern


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    There is a possibility that there is no truth in this story at all. If it disappears off the radar in a few weeks, I would suspect that the whole thing is made up.

    Why would you say that?


  • #33
    VisibleGorilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭VisibleGorilla


    Berkieahern wrote: »
    Why would you say that?
    Why not?

    False allegations happen all the time.


  • #34
    Berkieahern
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Berkieahern


    VisibleGorilla wrote: »
    Why not?

    False allegations happen all the time.

    So if an investigation isn't concluded in a few weeks, there's no truth to the story?


  • #35
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Berkieahern wrote: »
    Why would you say that?

    I was pointing out the possibility that the allegations are not true. If we accept every allegation as being true, why would we need courts?


  • #36
    Berkieahern
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Berkieahern


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I was pointing out the possibility that the allegations are not true. If we accept every allegation as being true, why would we need courts?

    With the history of child abuse over the decades in this country, it isnt that hard to believe that some of the country's politicians were paedophiles aswell!


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  • #37
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Berkieahern wrote: »
    So if an investigation isn't concluded in a few weeks, there's no truth to the story?

    I'm very suspicious of the fact that this story was leaked to the media. There could be political motivation behind it. It is also unfair to create a cloud of suspicion over every male minister of that era.


  • #38
    Berkieahern
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Berkieahern


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I'm very suspicious of the fact that this story was leaked to the media. There could be political motivation behind it. It is also unfair to create a cloud of suspicion over every male minister of that era.

    If the Guards failed to act on the initial allegations, then maybe the poor victims had to approach the media to get the authorities to act!

    The guards turned a blind eye to decades of the abuse and rape of kids by the catholic church.

    I have no doubt they done the same for the almighty politicians!


  • #39
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I'm very suspicious of the fact that this story was leaked to the media. There could be political motivation behind it. It is also unfair to create a cloud of suspicion over every male minister of that era.

    The Gardaí have been used as political tools for as long as I can remember tbh. I only hope this isn't the case here.


  • #40
    Azalea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Azalea


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Or indeed our right wing media.
    I hear others saying "our liberal, bleeding heart" media - really depends on what your perspective is. Although it certainly isn't right-wing.


  • #41
    Mesrine65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    anto9 wrote: »
    Who is it ?
    Azalea wrote: »
    Seriously?!

    Éamon de Valera :eek: :D

    (Not true ;))


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  • #42
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I was pointing out the possibility that the allegations are not true. If we accept every allegation as being true, why would we need courts?

    Indeed, we can establish the veracity of any allegations through guest columns in the indo. :D


  • #43
    Hitchens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    Anyone know who she is?






    :pac:


  • #44
    laraghrider
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭laraghrider


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I'm very suspicious of the fact that this story was leaked to the media. There could be political motivation behind it. It is also unfair to create a cloud of suspicion over every male minister of that era.

    Indeed. It's also nicely taking the shine away from the IBRC inquiry isn't it?


  • #45
    Berkieahern
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Berkieahern


    laraghrider wrote: »
    Indeed. It's also nicely taking the shine away from the IBRC inquiry isn't it?

    Can people not be worried about both cases?

    Its not always about deflection!


  • #46
    VisibleGorilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭VisibleGorilla


    Berkieahern wrote: »
    If the Guards failed to act on the initial allegations, then maybe the poor victims had to approach the media to get the authorities to act!

    The guards turned a blind eye to decades of the abuse and rape of kids by the catholic church.

    I have no doubt they done the same for the almighty politicians!
    Currently there are no victims.

    This is nothing but hearsay at the moment.


  • #47
    laraghrider
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭laraghrider


    Berkieahern wrote: »
    Can people not be worried about both cases?

    Its not always about deflection!

    Of course but a long standing tactic of any government is to quickly get a secondary story out that blankets the media coverage and people stop being concerned about the story they don't want you to focus on. Bury bad news with bad news. People can be worried about both and you're correct it's not always about deflection. The problem is the majority of the time, it is about deflection.


  • #48
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    The name thats floating around lends credence to it being made up for political point scoring.


  • #49
    Berkieahern
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Berkieahern


    VisibleGorilla wrote: »
    Currently there are no victims.

    This is nothing but hearsay at the moment.

    Apart from the people that made the complaint to the Gardai?


  • #50
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    seamus wrote: »
    Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris.

    Im sorry, what Rolf Harris did was wrong but he doesn't deserve to be in the same paragraph as Jimmy Saville.


  • #51
    Mesrine65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    syklops wrote: »
    Im sorry, what Rolf Harris did was wrong but he doesn't deserve to be in the same paragraph as Jimmy Saville.
    Kiddy fiddlers are just that, there are no degrees of IMHO


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  • #52
    VisibleGorilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭VisibleGorilla


    Berkieahern wrote: »
    Apart from the people that made the complaint to the Gardai?
    So making a complain to the Gardai makes it 100% true does it?

    False allegations never happen, no?


  • #53
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    Kiddy fiddlers are just that, there are no degrees of IMHO

    So by the same logic is a person who kills one person, the same as a person who kills 300?


  • #54
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    Kiddy fiddlers are just that, there are no degrees of IMHO

    And yet there are degrees of age, as in the day before an 18th birthday and the day after.
    As far as I remember Harris was convicted of being a wandering hands man more than anything else.


  • #55
    VisibleGorilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭VisibleGorilla


    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    Kiddy fiddlers are just that, there are no degrees of IMHO
    Your post is stupid as hell.

    Nothing in life is as black and white as this.

    A 40 year old man raping a 5 year old is the same as a 20 year old sleeping with a 16 year old?

    Are they the same in your eyes? Same punishment for each?


  • #56
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    syklops wrote: »
    Im sorry, what Rolf Harris did was wrong but he doesn't deserve to be in the same paragraph as Jimmy Saville.
    Simply pointing out that these would be two men in a position of power and as such it would have in fact enabled them to cover up what they did more than hindered them.


  • #57
    Rubberchikken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    having someone in a position of 'power' in this country and using that influence to escape any justice is hardly surprising.
    whoever this is, and if it's accurate, then hopefully a proper investigation will occur. second guessing, while 'fun' is a waste of time imho.


  • #58
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Azalea wrote: »
    I hear others saying "our liberal, bleeding heart" media - really depends on what your perspective is. Although it certainly isn't right-wing.

    It certainly is.

    Either controlled by wealthy individuals or the state broadcaster which has traditionally seen the people at the top of it appointed by right wing parties, FF/FG.


  • #59
    Mesrine65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    Kiddy fiddlers are just that, there are no degrees of IMHO
    syklops wrote: »
    So by the same logic is a person who kills one person, the same as a person who kills 300?
    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    And yet there are degrees of age, as in the day before an 18th birthday and the day after.
    As far as I remember Harris was convicted of being a wandering hands man more than anything else.
    VisibleGorilla wrote: »
    Your post is stupid as hell.

    Nothing in life is as black and white as this.

    A 40 year old man raping a 5 year old is the same as a 20 year old sleeping with a 16 year old?

    Are they the same in your eyes? Same punishment for each?
    Kiddy fiddlers...pay attention people, not murderers, not statutory rapists, kiddy fiddlers, deviants that get their kicks out of molesting children FFS :rolleyes:


  • #60
    VisibleGorilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭VisibleGorilla


    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    Kiddy fiddlers...pay attention people, not murderers, not statutory rapists, kiddy fiddlers, deviants that get their kicks out of molesting children FFS :rolleyes:
    Even with your incredibly scientific description of these people it is still not so clear cut.

    Within law many can be treated the same.

    Eg. Defilement of a child. An 18 year old man who has consensual sex with his 16 year old girlfriend will face the same charge as a 40 year old man who sexually abuses a very young child.


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  • #61
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    VisibleGorilla wrote: »
    Currently there are no victims.

    This is nothing but hearsay at the moment.

    Hearsay is good enough Joanie the Táinaiste. :)


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