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Ryanair have probably seriously f*cked up. Alleged scratch card charity scam?

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  • #62
    Stojkovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Stojkovic


    Its a well known fact that only approx 15% of all monies raised for charity actually reach the people in need.

    The rest is paid in wages, big salaries, advertising etc.

    Even the shop in Crumlin hospital was skimmed.

    If you're going to donate, donate direct.


  • #63
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    meeeeh wrote: »
    They are not defrauding anything or stealing the money. They are selling scratch cards.

    And for those of you who get all the news from facebook, it might do no harm to read this:
    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/row-erupts-between-rehab-and-justice-minister-alan-shatter-over-scratch-card-sales-29938562.html

    If they are calling them charity scratch cards and keeping the vast majority of the money themselves , it's defrauding.
    Just because others do it, doesn't make it right.


  • #64
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see nothing wrong with this. Ryanair says they'll give money to charity, gives money to charity. So they actually go through with it.

    It's more than can be said for numerous other companies. Hell, most charities, even.

    Everyone knows scratchcards are a scam.


  • #65
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Like the WS :P

    I don't know what that means


  • #66
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see nothing wrong with this. Ryanair says they'll give money to charity, gives money to charity. So they actually go through with it.

    It's more than can be said for numerous other companies. Hell, most charities, even.

    Everyone knows scratchcards are a scam.

    "Scratch cards are a scam". "I see nothing wrong with this"


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  • #67
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LorMal wrote: »
    "Scratch cards are a scam". "I see nothing wrong with this"

    Oh I see you've mastered the art of placing text in quotation marks. Well done, you!


  • #68
    PARlance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,577 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    If 15 idiots per flight want to buy scratch cards to help fund the model that gets me dirt cheap flights then roll up, roll up.


  • #69
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    LorMal wrote: »
    If they are calling them charity scratch cards and keeping the vast majority of the money themselves , it's defrauding.
    Just because others do it, doesn't make it right.

    I don't believe they are called charity scratchcards.


  • #70
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Oh I see you've mastered the art of placing text in quotation marks. Well done, you!

    Glad to see there are some things you object to - just not scamming charities.


  • #71
    yosser hughes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,047 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    If people haven't learned anything from the whole Rehab scandal then they really need to wise up about charities in general and be a bit more judicious when parting with their money. Having said that, I think most people buying these tickets just want to win some money, charity is the least of their concerns. You have to be over 18 to buy one therefore old enough to be informed and clued in.
    In the UK charities are coming under increased scrutiny with Kidscompany and the below:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/11981871/Chugging-bosss-businesses-go-bust-but-shell-keep-the-Aston-Martin.html


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  • #72
    Gringo180
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Ryanair are great.


  • #73
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    endacl wrote: »
    '... will only be won once every 125 years'

    Facebook poster completely misunderstands probability shocker.

    :D

    No need to be quite so sneery about public understanding of probability.
    If its as claimed here and they run lotto for 125 years there's about a 65 % chance someone will win it I think. It doesn't sound great to me really.
    Anyway I suppose that's capitalism for you. You need your eyes open even when people are "collecting for a good cause".


  • #74
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LorMal wrote: »
    Glad to see there are some things you object to - just not scamming charities.

    Ha.

    Scratchcards are a scam in general. The very theory of it is. Do you freak out when you're in a shop and see them? What about with the Lotto, who says they donate to charities and yet keep the vast majority of money? Or the charities that say they help people, but do barely anything?

    Ryanair says that money will be going to charity. Money goes to charity. Where's your issue?


  • #75
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    lanos wrote: »
    yeah that's really clear to everyone I bet
    LorMal wrote: »
    I don't know what that means

    Web Summit.


  • #76
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ha.

    Scratchcards are a scam in general. The very theory of it is. Do you freak out when you're in a shop and see them? What about with the Lotto, who says they donate to charities and yet keep the vast majority of money? Or the charities that say they help people, but do barely anything?

    Ryanair says that money will be going to charity. Money goes to charity. Where's your issue?

    I don't remember the Lotto scratch cards ever being called Charity scrachcards.


  • #77
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I don't remember the Lotto scratch cards ever being called Charity scrachcards.

    I've never heard of them being called charity scratchcards.


  • #78
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    I don't believe they are called charity scratchcards.

    Have a look at the YouTube video of the Ryanair sales pitch of the scratch cards (posted earlier). He clearly says the money is going to charity.


  • #79
    anto9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭anto9


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Ryanair are great.

    Is Michael O dreary also great ?:D


  • #80
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    It's probably no worse than Goal or Concern or any of the other charities that only give a small amount of their revenue generated to the actual cause they're collecting for.

    I have flown countless times with Ryanair and have never bought a scratch card and have never seen anyone else but one either.


  • #81
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    anto9 wrote: »
    Is Michael O dreary also great ?:D

    MOL should be running the country.....christ almighty.


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  • #82
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LorMal wrote: »
    Have a look at the YouTube video of the Ryanair sales pitch of the scratch cards (posted earlier). He clearly says the money is going to charity.

    And money goes to charity.


  • #83
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ha.

    Scratchcards are a scam in general. The very theory of it is. Do you freak out when you're in a shop and see them? What about with the Lotto, who says they donate to charities and yet keep the vast majority of money? Or the charities that say they help people, but do barely anything?

    Ryanair says that money will be going to charity. Money goes to charity. Where's your issue?

    A tiny fraction goes to charity. That means the vast majority goes to Ryanair. Is it that difficult for you to understand?


  • #84
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Ha.

    Scratchcards are a scam in general. The very theory of it is. Do you freak out when you're in a shop and see them? What about with the Lotto, who says they donate to charities and yet keep the vast majority of money? Or the charities that say they help people, but do barely anything?

    Ryanair says that money will be going to charity. Money goes to charity. Where's your issue?


    The Lotto are legally obliged to give 50% I think to good causes . Don't think they do charities.


  • #85
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LorMal wrote: »
    A tiny fraction goes to charity. That means the vast majority goes to Ryanair. Is it that difficult for you to understand?

    Is it difficult for you to understand that they actually give money to charity?


  • #86
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And money goes to charity.

    You are deliberately using semantics. 'Money' goes to charity (i.e. whatever % Ryanair decides) is not the same as 'the Money goes to charity' (i.e. The money you spend on the scratch card goes to charity - which is what Ryanair says in their sales pitch).


  • #87
    Sunny Dayz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,519 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    Do people actually buy these scratch cards? I've never seen anyone on a flight buy them. Anyone here ever buy one.

    Like Ryanair for the cheap flights but from the moment you book your flight to when you step off the plane at your destination Ryanair are constantly trying to sell you something. I just say no to everything.


  • #88
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LorMal wrote: »
    You are deliberately using semantics. 'Money' goes to charity (i.e. whatever % Ryanair decides) is not the same as 'the Money goes to charity' (i.e. The money you spend on the scratch card goes to charity - which is what Ryanair says in their sales pitch).

    You're deliberately using semantics more than anyone else. This is a pointless debate, because neither of us are going to move from our opinion and will just go nowhere, so I'm going to stop replying to you. If you want, we can continue this in PM, because otherwise it moves from being an open debate to a conversation.


  • #89
    hawkwind23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭hawkwind23


    Was on a horrid flight to Mexico with Thomas Cook and they were near militant with pushing scratchcards , went around about 8 times and saying they would take any currency or a limb or anything.
    So Ryanair are not the only ones at it.

    Feel so sorry for the attendants who just want to do a job not pester people for profits , you can just imagine some nazi type middle management with a performance chart for scratchcard sales insinuating that jobs are at risk unless the board can increase their obscene profits , be stealing the eye out of your head next


  • #90
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    LorMal wrote: »
    Have a look at the YouTube video of the Ryanair sales pitch of the scratch cards (posted earlier). He clearly says the money is going to charity.

    Money does go to charity.


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  • #91
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    Money does go to charity.

    I wonder what the Regulator would say.


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