The Wesht

Galwayguy35 · 07-11-2015 06:31PM

Pedro K wrote: »

I did a little googling, albeit not very much, and can't seem to find an answer to this.

Why do many people in the west of Ireland put a 'h' into words containing S? 'Shtop', 'Shlab' etc.

Does anybody know why it is? Are you from the wesht? Do you use the h?

Yes and yes.

Canadel · 07-11-2015 08:12PM

I'd rather listen to shtuff in the Wesht than youzzzzzz in the East.

It's YOU, ****in YOU. Ye stupid c**ts.

Sheep Lover · 07-11-2015 08:20PM

Canadel wrote: »

I'd rather listen to shtuff in the Wesht than youzzzzzz in the East.

It's YOU, ****in YOU. Ye stupid c**ts.

Or "ye" if you're in the Whest...

Canadel · 07-11-2015 08:27PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Or "ye" if you're in the Whest...

Old English..

ye
pronoun archaic dialect
plural form of thou.
"gather ye rosebuds, while ye may"

Sheep Lover · 07-11-2015 08:28PM

Canadel wrote: »

Old English..

ye
pronoun archaic dialect
plural form of thou.
"gather ye rosebuds, while ye may"

And?

Sheep Lover · 07-11-2015 08:31PM

The Whest accent sounds put on in jest sometimes it's that bad.

It gives off a real whiff of clueless gombeen who touches oneself sexually whilst thinking about ones blood relatives.

Beanntraigheach · 07-11-2015 08:37PM

"What's this? People with an accent which doesn't correspond to what's considered 'normal' or 'correct'.
They must be mocked and degraded endlessly until they conform!"

I really loathe humans sometimes. Herd-minded gobshytes

galwaylad14 · 07-11-2015 08:43PM

I know myself I talk this way naturally, but I can easily say "west" aswell. Just if I was to not think about it and just say the word I'd nearly always say it as "wesht".

I just put it down to having picked it up from the way friends, relatives etc talk and because of that it's naturally the way I talk too even though I can easily pronounce the words correctly as well.

So I suppose that means I do actually put it on but I just naturally do it at this stage. I'm sure if I was to move somewhere else I'd probably drop those h's fairly quickly.

Either way it's hardly a big deal anyway

Fox_In_Socks · 07-11-2015 09:44PM

We can't all speak flawless cut glass English like myself or Michael D

Pedro K · 07-11-2015 10:03PM

HugsiePie wrote: »

I started doing it ironically/jokingly...and now I cant stop

Don't you mean you can't shtop?

Are you from the west of Ireland?

Fox_In_Socks · 07-11-2015 10:08PM

Pedro K wrote: »

Don't you mean you can't shtop?

Are you from the west of Ireland?

From my experience, for people from Galway Mayo (short-hand being Gayyo), it's at the end of certain words, like wesht, pasht. Whereas the "sh" sound at the front of the word, like shtop, would be from rural Kerry/West Cork

WesternZulu · 07-11-2015 10:09PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

It gives off a real whiff of clueless gombeen who touches oneself sexually whilst thinking about ones blood relatives.

Says the poster called 'Sheep Lover' :pac:

c_man · 07-11-2015 10:35PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Possibly because of bad teeth, the sound comes out stranger.

Yeah, immaculate choppers on the lads in Dublin. Well the ones that haven't been kicked out or lost due to the junk. Hmm, maybe that explains the accent over there? :pac:

pablo128 · 07-11-2015 10:52PM

I like hearing different Irish accents. A real thick accent would have a 'c' as well as a 'h'. As in, 'ara schtop,' . Or, 'would ya look at the feckin schtate 'a tha yoke.'

Insect Overlord · 07-11-2015 10:58PM

Might have something to do with speaking Irish for a few generations longer than the city folk.

Irish has broad and slender consonants, depending on the vowels around them.
S often becomes "sh" after the letter "i" or a combination of a, e, i, o, u + i.
T can sound like "tch".
D can sound like "dj".
etc

/Buzz Killington

WesternZulu · 07-11-2015 10:59PM

Whatever about people in the West sticking an 's' where it shouldn't be I find we are at least able to pronounce 'th' which cannot be said for most of the country!

Big Nasty · 07-11-2015 11:03PM

I always thought it came from the shavu or whatever you call it.

mynameis905 · 07-11-2015 11:12PM

Parker Huge Batter wrote: »

The same reason people in Dublin pronounce Th as D. Being from Dublin, you might explain dat for us and why you drop the g in words ending in ing.

Accents.

Unfortunately the inability to pronounce th is endemic to Ireland and not just confined to Dublin. I die a little inside when I hear someone talking about 'dat fillum I seen on TV tree'

Pedro K wrote: »

I don't think it's as simple as accent though. My girlfriend is from the west and every now and again comes out with the h. But in the very next breath she'll go back to regular pronunciation.

I think, for many, it's a conscious decision.

I agree. Everyone has an accent but a lot of poor pronunciation is heavily stylised/affected. I have an acquaintance from Mayo and he does exactly the same thing as your girlfriend, particularly in the pub when he wants to give off a kind of laddish vibe/image.

Insect Overlord · 07-11-2015 11:17PM

Big Nasty wrote: »

I always thought it came from the shavu or whatever you call it.

The séimhiú is another kettle of fish! It usually works something like this, depending on dialect.

B -> bh -> v or w
C -> ch -> khh
D -> dh -> g or y
F -> fh -> (silent)
G -> gh -> ghh
M -> mh -> mh or w
P -> ph -> f
S -> sh -> h
T -> th -> h

mynameis905 · 07-11-2015 11:22PM

pablo128 wrote: »

I like hearing different Irish accents. A real thick accent would have a 'c' as well as a 'h'. As in, 'ara schtop,' . Or, 'would ya look at the feckin schtate 'a tha yoke.'

I always thought 'ara' was more of a Kerry thing? My Dad is from Kerry and it's something I only ever heard him and his side of the family use.

07-11-2015 11:23PM

Houl on a secan', why de le norners spik de way ley do?

WesternZulu · 07-11-2015 11:44PM

mynameis905 wrote: »

I always thought 'ara' was more of a Kerry thing? My Dad is from Kerry and it's something I only ever heard him and his side of the family use.

'Yarra' is from Kerry....'Arra' is more Mayo/Galway.

Never really heard them used anywhere else!

Diabhal Beag · 08-11-2015 12:01AM

Howya shhhhhcan

Azalea · 08-11-2015 12:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Because it's better than talking with a sort of melted American accent like South Dubliners or a constipated rat like North Dubliners.

See, isn't making sweeping generalizations fun?

Beanntraigheach wrote: »

"What's this? People with an accent which doesn't correspond to what's considered 'normal' or 'correct'.
They must be mocked and degraded endlessly until they conform!"

I really loathe humans sometimes. Herd-minded gobshytes

They only asked about it - there were no sweeping generalisations. It's just a question about a local way of speaking - people do it all the time, no biggie.

LorMal · 08-11-2015 12:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

First of all, people don't out a h "into words containing s". For example, where a is followed by a vowel, or indeed a consonant most of the time, you only hear it from Ronan Keating

"The shmile on your face letsh me know that you're near me"
"Shorry, words don't come eashily"

People in Kerry don't talk about Shishter Shledge, or say "shenshational, shuperb".

Where a word has an s before a t at the end, you can hear it. Sometimes. Like Chrisht, whisht, wesht etc. I like it, I don't hear it enough, it's usually amongst older people and has been kinda mocked, so younger people are less likely to use it here IMO.

It's an affectation - not original - started in the 1980s.

The Wesht

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