The Wesht

Pedro K

I did a little googling, albeit not very much, and can't seem to find an answer to this.

Why do many people in the west of Ireland put a 'h' into words containing S? 'Shtop', 'Shlab' etc.

Does anybody know why it is? Are you from the wesht? Do you use the h?

It's called an accent

The Sidewards Man

Its because they are close bred.

Ruu

Will ya whisht! (not from the west)

dd972

I ****ing hate it.

rolliepoley

Its in the wrist action and the shake of the leg like!

uch

Becauseshh

the_syco

Pedro K wrote: »

Does anybody know why it is? Are you from the wesht? Do you use the h?

7up-free-dialect-dictionary-the-wesht-of-ireland

Pedro K

Pedro K wrote: »

I did a little googling, albeit not very much, and can't seem to find an answer to this.

Why do many people in the west of Ireland put a 'h' into words containing S? 'Shtop', 'Shlab' etc.

Does anybody know why it is? Are you from the wesht? Do you use the h?

First of all, people don't out a h "into words containing s". For example, where a is followed by a vowel, or indeed a consonant most of the time, you only hear it from Ronan Keating

"The shmile on your face letsh me know that you're near me"
"Shorry, words don't come eashily"

People in Kerry don't talk about Shishter Shledge, or say "shenshational, shuperb".

Where a word has an s before a t at the end, you can hear it. Sometimes. Like Chrisht, whisht, wesht etc. I like it, I don't hear it enough, it's usually amongst older people and has been kinda mocked, so younger people are less likely to use it here IMO.

martyos121

Why do people from outside the glorious wesht keep overthinking this?

The truth is everyone here worships Sean Connery like a god, and speaking like him is how we express it.

Now I'm off to shleep shcans.

NIMAN

Once we discover the answer to this, can we start working on why some folk think that it goes "one, two, tree"?

Wompa1

NIMAN wrote: »

Once we discover the answer to this, can we start working on why some folk think that it goes "one, two, tree"?

Or us is uz and a house is a howz

Anybody else want to punch Ray Darcy from the old water safety ad? Water Safe ah Tea

WesternZulu

Arra shtop, it's very common in Mayo and Galway.

Nothing wrong with it at all!!

As they say around here 'Up the Wesht and f**k the resht!!!'

Menas

If only we all spoke the same way with the same accent...

gstack166

Why do people in Dublin say 'me' instead of 'my' - 'me ma' 'me mickey money' etc.

LordSutch

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Its because they are close bred.

You mean inbred?

MilesMorales1

Schum away, schum away.

VinLieger

Probably all the incesht

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Pedro K wrote: »

I did a little googling, albeit not very much, and can't seem to find an answer to this.

Why do many people in the west of Ireland put a 'h' into words containing S? 'Shtop', 'Shlab' etc.

Does anybody know why it is? Are you from the wesht? Do you use the h?

The same reason people in Dublin pronounce Th as D. Being from Dublin, you might explain dat for us and why you drop the g in words ending in ing.

Accents.

Pedro K

I don't think it's as simple as accent though. My girlfriend is from the west and every now and again comes out with the h. But in the very next breath she'll go back to regular pronunciation.

I think, for many, it's a conscious decision.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Pedro K wrote: »

I don't think it's as simple as accent though. My girlfriend is from the west and every now and again comes out with the h. But in the very next breath she'll go back to regular pronunciation.

I think, for many, it's a conscious decision.

I call bull on that. An accent slips in and out when someone is not in their native area. You are also making to sound as though everybody in the west speaks this way, when they patently do not.

Why not just ask the girlfriend why she does it?

donegaLroad

what about the 'yes on an in-breath'.. is that a solely West/North of Ireland phenomena? It is common in Donegal.

Bio Mech

What accent do you have OP. Because whatever it is I would like to complain about your pronunciation.

Also do you know what I hate. Those foreigners. None of them sound like they are from the east of Ireland. Not on.

Pedro K

Parker Huge Batter wrote: »

I call bull on that. An accent slips in and out when someone is not in their native area. You are also making to sound as though everybody in the west speaks this way, when they patently do not.

Why not just ask the girlfriend why she does it?

I did. She said it was just on ST and couldn't explain the origins of it.

Pedro K

Bio Mech wrote: »

What accent do you have OP. Because whatever it is I would like to complain about your pronunciation.

Also do you know what I hate. Those foreigners. None of them sound like they are from the east of Ireland. Not on.

I never complained. I asked a question.

A few of you guys seem to have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

PARlance

It dates back to 1798 and the arrival of General Humbert to the shores of Mayo.
Somewhere along their march to Castlebar, the Mayo lads realised that their French brothers in arms ad an abit of dropping le H.... arra fhuck that the Mayo lads thought.... we need to put a shtop to this...but alas, they failed in their attempt of getting the French bhucks to start pronouncing the H, so out out pure thickness, it is now added into every word possible.

Because it's better than talking with a sort of melted American accent like South Dubliners or a constipated rat like North Dubliners.

See, isn't making sweeping generalizations fun?

Pedro K

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because it's better than talking with a sort of melted American accent like South Dubliners or a constipated rat like North Dubliners.

See, isn't making sweeping generalizations fun?

Jesus. There must be a sale on high horses this weekend.

Is it not true that many people from the west of Ireland do use the h? It is in my experience.

I didn't insult it. I asked does anyone know why it is? Maybe I could have worded the question a bit better and asked does anyone know the origins of it. You're the one that brought insults into it.

smash

It's as if they learned English from someone with a speech impediment

Badly Drunk Boy

Pedro K wrote: »

Jesus. There must be a sale on high horses this weekend.

Is it not true that many people from the west of Ireland do use the h? It is in my experience.

I didn't insult it. I asked does anyone know why it is? Maybe I could have worded the question a bit better and asked does anyone know the origins of it. You're the one that brought insults into it.

You sort of did, especially when you said you thought people put it on and don't really talk like this. "It's a conscious decision."

I've relatives in Clifden in Galway who speak like this, and I just accept that it's the way they speak. A lad who worked with me a few years ago also spoke like this. He was in his early 20s and was from Leitrim.

People speak differently, whether it because of their accent, dialect, education, or their voice.

bodhrandude

Possibly because of bad teeth, the sound comes out stranger.

Galwayguy35

Pedro K wrote: »

I did a little googling, albeit not very much, and can't seem to find an answer to this.

Why do many people in the west of Ireland put a 'h' into words containing S? 'Shtop', 'Shlab' etc.

Does anybody know why it is? Are you from the wesht? Do you use the h?

Yes and yes.

Canadel

I'd rather listen to shtuff in the Wesht than youzzzzzz in the East.

It's YOU, ****in YOU. Ye stupid c**ts.

Sheep Lover

Canadel wrote: »

I'd rather listen to shtuff in the Wesht than youzzzzzz in the East.

It's YOU, ****in YOU. Ye stupid c**ts.

Or "ye" if you're in the Whest...

Canadel

Sheep Lover wrote: »

Or "ye" if you're in the Whest...

Old English..

ye
pronoun archaic dialect
plural form of thou.
"gather ye rosebuds, while ye may"

Sheep Lover

Canadel wrote: »

Old English..

ye
pronoun archaic dialect
plural form of thou.
"gather ye rosebuds, while ye may"

And?

Sheep Lover

The Whest accent sounds put on in jest sometimes it's that bad.

It gives off a real whiff of clueless gombeen who touches oneself sexually whilst thinking about ones blood relatives.

Beanntraigheach

"What's this? People with an accent which doesn't correspond to what's considered 'normal' or 'correct'.
They must be mocked and degraded endlessly until they conform!"

I really loathe humans sometimes. Herd-minded gobshytes

galwaylad14

I know myself I talk this way naturally, but I can easily say "west" aswell. Just if I was to not think about it and just say the word I'd nearly always say it as "wesht".

I just put it down to having picked it up from the way friends, relatives etc talk and because of that it's naturally the way I talk too even though I can easily pronounce the words correctly as well.

So I suppose that means I do actually put it on but I just naturally do it at this stage. I'm sure if I was to move somewhere else I'd probably drop those h's fairly quickly.

Either way it's hardly a big deal anyway

Fox_In_Socks

We can't all speak flawless cut glass English like myself or Michael D

Pedro K

HugsiePie wrote: »

I started doing it ironically/jokingly...and now I cant stop

Don't you mean you can't shtop?

Are you from the west of Ireland?

Fox_In_Socks

Pedro K wrote: »

Don't you mean you can't shtop?

Are you from the west of Ireland?

From my experience, for people from Galway Mayo (short-hand being Gayyo), it's at the end of certain words, like wesht, pasht. Whereas the "sh" sound at the front of the word, like shtop, would be from rural Kerry/West Cork

WesternZulu

Sheep Lover wrote: »

It gives off a real whiff of clueless gombeen who touches oneself sexually whilst thinking about ones blood relatives.

Says the poster called 'Sheep Lover' :pac:

c_man

bodhrandude wrote: »

Possibly because of bad teeth, the sound comes out stranger.

Yeah, immaculate choppers on the lads in Dublin. Well the ones that haven't been kicked out or lost due to the junk. Hmm, maybe that explains the accent over there? :pac:

pablo128

I like hearing different Irish accents. A real thick accent would have a 'c' as well as a 'h'. As in, 'ara schtop,' . Or, 'would ya look at the feckin schtate 'a tha yoke.'

Insect Overlord

Might have something to do with speaking Irish for a few generations longer than the city folk.

Irish has broad and slender consonants, depending on the vowels around them.
S often becomes "sh" after the letter "i" or a combination of a, e, i, o, u + i.
T can sound like "tch".
D can sound like "dj".
etc

/Buzz Killington

WesternZulu

Whatever about people in the West sticking an 's' where it shouldn't be I find we are at least able to pronounce 'th' which cannot be said for most of the country!

Big Nasty

I always thought it came from the shavu or whatever you call it.

mynameis905

Parker Huge Batter wrote: »

The same reason people in Dublin pronounce Th as D. Being from Dublin, you might explain dat for us and why you drop the g in words ending in ing.

Accents.

Unfortunately the inability to pronounce th is endemic to Ireland and not just confined to Dublin. I die a little inside when I hear someone talking about 'dat fillum I seen on TV tree'

Pedro K wrote: »

I don't think it's as simple as accent though. My girlfriend is from the west and every now and again comes out with the h. But in the very next breath she'll go back to regular pronunciation.

I think, for many, it's a conscious decision.

I agree. Everyone has an accent but a lot of poor pronunciation is heavily stylised/affected. I have an acquaintance from Mayo and he does exactly the same thing as your girlfriend, particularly in the pub when he wants to give off a kind of laddish vibe/image.

Insect Overlord

Big Nasty wrote: »

I always thought it came from the shavu or whatever you call it.

The séimhiú is another kettle of fish! It usually works something like this, depending on dialect.

B -> bh -> v or w
C -> ch -> khh
D -> dh -> g or y
F -> fh -> (silent)
G -> gh -> ghh
M -> mh -> mh or w
P -> ph -> f
S -> sh -> h
T -> th -> h

mynameis905

pablo128 wrote: »

I like hearing different Irish accents. A real thick accent would have a 'c' as well as a 'h'. As in, 'ara schtop,' . Or, 'would ya look at the feckin schtate 'a tha yoke.'

I always thought 'ara' was more of a Kerry thing? My Dad is from Kerry and it's something I only ever heard him and his side of the family use.