Begrudgery

steddyeddy · 07-11-2015 12:44PM #1

"resentment of any person who has achieved success or wealth"- Irish

This was brought up a few times in my last thread. My mother always told me progress in Ireland and England and they'll resent it but rise up in America and they'll pat you on the back. I only experienced this once or twice so I think it's exaggerated. Is this something you've experienced?

Guy:Incognito · 07-11-2015 12:48PM

Think you're great do you? With your own thread. It was far from starting threads you were raised. Giving it the big one. State of you.

ancapailldorcha · 07-11-2015 12:48PM

Is there a specific reason that you've started so many threads about this?

To answer the question, yes. I had several of the local knuckle draggers in my hometown have a go at me for daring to pursue third level education. I'm talking about the sort of individuals whose literary palate begins and ends with the Racing Post.

Banjo String · 07-11-2015 12:49PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

"resentment of any person who has achieved success or wealth"- Irish

This was brought up a few times in my last thread. My mother always told me progress in Ireland and England and they'll resent it but rise up in America and they'll pat you on the back. I only experienced this once or twice so I think it's exaggerated. Is this something you've experienced?

To think this is unique to ireland is a bit of an exaggeration op, I can think of loads of successful business people that get constant ridicule in their own country also.

Simon Cowell.
Donald Trump.

Both successful in their own rights, and both constantly on the receiving end of criticism in their own respective homelands.

The fact that they both are a pair of bellends is purely coincidental, but you get my sentiments .

Seth Brundle · 07-11-2015 12:50PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

To answer the question, yes. I had several of the local knuckle draggers in my hometown have a go at me for daring to pursue third level education. I'm talking about the sort of individuals whose literary palate begins and ends with the Racing Post.

Think you're smart with your fancy words now? Eh?

Sheep Lover · 07-11-2015 12:51PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Is there a specific reason that you've started so many threads about this?

To answer the question, yes. I had several of the local knuckle draggers in my hometown have a go at me for daring to pursue third level education. I'm talking about the sort of individuals whose literary palate begins and ends with the Racing Post.

While you're off living the high life doing your ordinary arts degree in Tralee Institute of Technology (TIT)

kneemos · 07-11-2015 01:05PM

You can be as successful as you like,just be humble.
Show any signs of arrogance and you'll be ridiculed.

Ally Dick · 07-11-2015 01:05PM

Americans will pat you on the back for your success, but they're very vacuous cold artificial people in other ways. I would rather live in Ireland than the US every time, despite the begrudgery

sonny.knowles · 07-11-2015 01:09PM

Another class thread.

VinLieger · 07-11-2015 01:11PM

kneemos wrote: »

You can be as successful as you like,just be humble.
Show any signs of arrogance and you'll be ridiculed.

Pretty much this, rightly so imo, great your doing well for yourself but shoving it in other peoples faces wont win you any fans.

You want praise? Then don't go asking for it

steddyeddy · 07-11-2015 01:42PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Is there a specific reason that you've started so many threads about this?

To answer the question, yes. I had several of the local knuckle draggers in my hometown have a go at me for daring to pursue third level education. I'm talking about the sort of individuals whose literary palate begins and ends with the Racing Post.

I didn't post about begrudgery before. It's not something that's as common as people think IMO.

diomed · 07-11-2015 01:46PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Is there a specific reason that you've started so many threads about this?

To answer the question, yes. I had several of the local knuckle draggers in my hometown have a go at me for daring to pursue third level education. I'm talking about the sort of individuals whose literary palate begins and ends with the Racing Post.

I read the Racing Sport, sport of kings and all that, you pleb.

MistyCheese · 07-11-2015 01:50PM

Kneemos bang on there. Although I don't think it's strictly confined to Ireland/England. It was an American lady who decided to respond to men's comments via dating site messages of 'you're beautiful' with a Han-Soloesque 'I know'.

Not even as arrogant as that, sometimes she simply responded with a 'thank you'. She got a fair bit of abuse from men calling her stuck up, asking who she thought she was and even rescinding their original comments with a 'you're not actually that hot.'

steddyeddy · 07-11-2015 02:37PM

sonny.knowles wrote: »

Another class thread.

It's not a class issue. Just a success one. Like the fact a lot of people hate Bono maybe.

PowerToWait · 07-11-2015 02:58PM

Let's be honest. This thread is a vehicle to highlight your 'success'.

We all know how you pulled yourself up by your bootstraps etc. Well done.

Is that begrudging enough?

Dirty Dingus McGee · 07-11-2015 03:06PM

I'm not sure that begrudgery is as big a thing in Ireland as people like to think.

I think arrogance and constantly clapping yourself on the back is what pisses people off.

sonny.knowles · 07-11-2015 03:07PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

It's not a class issue. Just a success one. Like the fact a lot of people hate Bono maybe.

I meant it was a great thread. You have class on the brain.

Sh1tbag OToole · 07-11-2015 03:07PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

but rise up in America and they'll pat you on the back

They'll do more than pat you on the back, they'll idolise the lad who came off the boat without two pennies to rub together and 'worked his god darn ass off' at some exploitative establishment for _ years and rose up through the ranks and is now a millionaire with a massive 'pad' and 10 cars and a helicopter.

Even the most poorest and most oppressed Americans cling to these types of stories for hope, while ignoring the fact that there's only room for a small number of such people in their society and that there is more to these stories than meets the eye (most of them got to where they are by pure fluke or had someone high up who took a liking to them)

KomradeBishop · 07-11-2015 03:17PM

Like you mentioned in the other thread, it's hard to distinguish how much of a thing this is offline, vs here online.

As I touched on in the other thread, you get a lot of people promoting the 'begrudgery' label/accusation, against people who are critical of how someone achieved their current status societally/monetarily/academically/etc. - so 'begrudgery' as an accusation, is often used in a wrong and smearing way, to dismiss legitimate criticism.

In Ireland, there's definitely an undertone of corruption/fraud/'old-boys-club' influence peddling within certain industries, and protection (even if by just 'turning a blind eye') of corruption - so I think that probably plays into affecting public perception of how merited someones success is, but in a kneejerk kind of way that can often hit the wrong targets.

Tarzana2 · 07-11-2015 03:18PM

sonny.knowles wrote: »

Another class thread.

I know, what gives, Steddyeddy? You're preoccupied!

KomradeBishop · 07-11-2015 03:22PM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

I know, what gives, Steddyeddy? You're preoccupied!

There was a good quote I saw the other day, relating to societal issues that are 'acceptable' to talk about - not a strict rule, but a good guide on which things tend to get shut-down in discussion:
"It’s always OK to talk about race. It’s often OK to talk about gender. It’s never OK to talk about class."

We see plenty of topics on Boards about gender, often about race (while travellers wouldn't be a 'race' as such, it'd be a line of topics that fits there), but 'class' is a type of topic that tends to be shut-down more often (usually by people complaining about it being talked about, and trying to dissuade it).

ancapailldorcha · 07-11-2015 03:28PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

There was a good quote I saw the other day, relating to societal issues that are 'acceptable' to talk about - not a strict rule, but a good guide on which things tend to get shut-down in discussion:
"It’s always OK to talk about race. It’s often OK to talk about gender. It’s never OK to talk about class."

We see plenty of topics on Boards about gender, often about race (while travellers wouldn't be a 'race' as such, it'd be a line of topics that fits there), but 'class' is a type of topic that tends to be shut-down more often (usually by people complaining about it being talked about, and trying to dissuade it).

Who exactly is shutting down these discussions?

BlibBlab · 07-11-2015 03:38PM

There's can be a bit of begrudgery but we're no worse than most other places. It tends to be thrown around be people who are disliked for their actions and attitudes, but rather reflect on themselves just assume everybody is jealous of them.

blinding · 07-11-2015 03:40PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Is there a specific reason that you've started so many threads about this?

To answer the question, yes. I had several of the local knuckle draggers in my hometown have a go at me for daring to pursue third level education. I'm talking about the sort of individuals whose literary palate begins and ends with the Racing Post.

And whats wrong with the Racing Post. If people want to squander their money Gambling then thats up to them you….snob….(actually I don't care);)

sonny.knowles · 07-11-2015 03:42PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Who exactly is shutting down these discussions?

Race threads are regularly shut down. Literally. I don't see the same happening for the OPs threads.

Some posters take exception when you don't hold the same world view and would rather a love in where we all agree with them.

KomradeBishop · 07-11-2015 03:43PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Who exactly is shutting down these discussions?

It's not literally stopping discussions dead, it's those who always drop into the threads to post boorish nonsense (or to backslap it), which amount to "oh not this bollocks again? would you ever shut up with it" - i.e. trying to dissuade discussion of this kind of topic - despite this kind of thread being relatively uncommon compared to a lot of other threads, on similar societal issues.

It doesn't really add to the discussion, so why bother posting it, if not to dissuade discussing certain topics?

07-11-2015 03:44PM

I've met begrudgery in Ireland, never anywhere else. Mainly because the people I mix with in Ireland are more of a mixed bag than those I'm in contact with elsewhere rather than it being a national characteristic.

ancapailldorcha · 07-11-2015 03:46PM

blinding wrote: »

And whats wrong with the Racing Post. If people want to squander their money Gambling then thats up to them you….snob….(actually I don't care);)

Of course. But if you dare do be different, if you're idea of fun isn't getting hammered, watching football or doing up a Peugeot 106 to drive in circles around the town centre then you're in for a rough ride. I've no issue with gambling, quite the opposite as it goes given that it provided me with employment for a few years. I do take an issue with people having a go at others for being different. Hobbies are meant to be enjoyable and relaxing, not tools to beat other people over the head with.

Sam Kade · 07-11-2015 03:47PM

Banjo String wrote: »

To think this is unique to ireland is a bit of an exaggeration op, I can think of loads of successful business people that get constant ridicule in their own country also.

Simon Cowell.
Donald Trump.

Both successful in their own rights, and both constantly on the receiving end of criticism in their own respective homelands.

The fact that they both are a pair of bellends is purely coincidental, but you get my sentiments .

In fairness you couldn't pick two bigger gobsh1tes, which many people dislike them for and not their wealth.

ancapailldorcha · 07-11-2015 03:47PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

It's not literally stopping discussions dead, it's those who always drop into the threads to post boorish nonsense (or to backslap it), which amount to "oh not this bollocks again? would you ever shut up with it" - i.e. trying to dissuade discussion of this kind of topic - despite this kind of thread being relatively uncommon compared to a lot of other threads, on similar societal issues.

It doesn't really add to the discussion, so why bother posting it, if not to dissuade discussing certain topics?

You can apply this logic to a lot of what gets posted on the internet. Take the new James Bond film. It would surprise me if there were plenty of comments from people saying that it didn't interest them or Craig is terrible in the role, etc... Why post then?

seenitall · 07-11-2015 03:50PM

In Catholicism, humility is the uppermost virtue; and success, well, to put it mildly, nothing to write home about in and of itself...

Matthew 19:30 "Many who are first will be last, and the last first."

Matthew 19:30 "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

So, this is all stuff that is programmed into the Irish psyche since times immemorial. Success is wrong, and arrogance is practically a cardinal sin.

The other side of the same coin is that 'loser' is traditionally an unheard-of concept here (compared to many other places, mostly with Protestant-derived ethics). An alcoholic at the point of delirium tremens: "Ah sure, he likes his drink." An anti-social thug: "Rough childhood, poor soul." Lazy layabout: "No opportunities, god love him, gubberment something something" Etc etc.

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